No, those people on those pics know nothing about history and they know nothing about presence.

They just are.

As I mentioned, if they really don't want it, let them move their ass, they have the right, they can start a refferendum, they can even leave NATO if they want, why don't they do it?

Why it's a bunch of stoned kids that you couldn't really ask anything, because they most likely couldn't give you any real answer?

I'm glad for any sensible contribution, thanks.

Ask your own government. Do you know the exact meaning of 70% on their broadsheets?

Because they don't want to die under Russian nukes while they are kissing some oversea asses.

Once again. I don't think there is a reason to die even for a good job :)

Because they were too small those days and were not able to change anything. Now they can.

Why should they immigrate to any other country if they love their own one? Can I also ask you a question? Why don't you immigrate to the USA if you love it so much and if you don't give a shit about Czechs who will be used as a cannon meat in the name of the USA?

I believe the same they can say about you, and they will be right on that :2 cents:

There are retards in every nation, but not all nations choose retards for the presidency. Bush and Václav Klaus are some of them..

Yes, it was a standard public poll (approx between 1200 - 1800 people), where most of them were absolutely not qualified to answer.

The same poll that can result in that people believe Mickey Mouse was a real person.

These people will kiss any ass in the world, the only difference is that since they were with Russia they couldn't bark in public, so they were barking in private, but they never bite.

There will never be any action and all of this is just a manifest of overall cowardness and zero influence of public on politics.

Yes, they thought this in Munich in 1938 too, that's a politics that's proven to save the peace on earth!

Now they get fucked in the ass more than ever, the whole industry was practically destroyed, very poorly restructured after 1989 and now it's rather another another outsourcing center in Europe, full of cheap labor that doesn't produce any real assets.

Of course they can change things, there are plenty democratic gadgets to change things whether you are on a level of national politics or at a level of public, where are those 70 pct. of people that "disagree"?

They're hiding.

If they would love thier country they would support it and not waste its resources, government money on whining and unproductive non sense - an overall crisis of a transitional country that finds it hard to examine its character.

That's something I'm seriously considering, the crisis of common sense and the overall post communistic "mediocre loser" attitude here is hard to bear with.

Many people already emmigrated to have a little bit more fun and less hassle in their day to day life.

Thankfully I don't wear american moods. Then again, I'm not very fashion-conscious :1orglaugh

This is a right action if you are going to use some unknown and depersonalized country/nation as a condom for your own safety. You have to agree that it could be a bit more difficult for the Americans to accept what their government is going to do with Czechs if they'd know more about that country and people who live there. Right now Americans think of Czechia Republic (I even not sure if many of them know what Czechia is an independent republic, but not Czechoslovakia anymore) as some piece of Europe far far away populated by some unknown (perhaps barbarian) people.

2CarlosTheGaucho: There were too many words in your previous message and I don't want to comment them all. As far as I understand, you think it's a good idea to use your country as a condom to protect the USA, and you are ready to die in the name of America.

Hmm ok, I got your point. But at least I know there is no need to explain you anything after that. Some people born to rule the world, others born to be used. This is how our Civilization lives for many millenniums.

My best wishes and have a nice day! :pimp

And for some reason you think you are qualified to plant a military object in someone else's country calling all those who disagree retards. Why don't you just face it, the US military are pursuing their own goal, trying to postpone a moment when Mr.Medvedev's rockets land in Pentagon, and if anyone disagrees to help out by being used in blunt armed conflict, could it be hippies, plant workers, accountants, grandmothers, gardeners or adult webmasters, you find a reason to call them whatever and find another proof they are not 'qualified.' They are qualified enough not to be the first one to die when SecDef starts teasing Putin's favorite dog.

Jesus, I only hope all this recession will make the States pull their shit together at home and re-focus on the internal instead of raising hell all over the globe - or how they put it, 'across the pond?'

Not,

You're using a prime example of anti American demagogy,

You're using the name "America" as if that wouldn't be the only country capable of serious armed action after the world war II.

What is OSN without America? Who finances 95 pct. of the budget of OSN?

What did OSN ever achieve, to watch genocide in Yugoslavia? Great!

I am not picking sides with pro US or anti US, world is not and never will be black and white, I'm picking sides with common sense here.

HALF of the power of NATO is US, half of the budget of NATO is US.

So who do you want to be with?

You think you can fight on your own? DO IT!

Some people just don't learn the History. In the culmination of so-called Caribbean Crisis, the USA were ready to nuke Cuba in a same time as USSR was preparing to nuke Turkey to destroy the US Saturns located there. Both countries (Cuba and Turkey) were used just like token coins by both military superpowers.

Please read below:

Yes, the world is not always fair, but if you don't have anyone ready to die for you, you'll never win an armed conflict.

The only problem is that vast majority people these days don't really remember any armed conflict, so they're comfortably dumb and whine about peace while the sons of the big Ajjatolah Chomejni are trying to get THEIR nuke to have a leash on those christian dogs.

Will they ask you if you're a pacifist before they kill you? I doubt so.

I don't think it works like this.

Where's the absolute morality, where are the national interests now?

Do you want your people dead now, or later?

if anyone wants to contribute feel free to do it, discussion is always about two sides

I'm sorry, what the fuck is unwearable?

Is that a rhetorical question?

how do you feel about the level of anti american sentiment and ignorance here in the US?

sorry to break it to you but america is NOT the leader of the world anymore

There is resentment in Europe against the government of the US because it making decisions against our interests. Our leaders kiss the ass of the US. Europe is full of US military bases.

As for protests, there has been a long history of protest...

Supporting the Republic in the spanish civil war

Against fascism

Against the US war in Vietnam

Against South Africa

For civil rights in the US, Free the Black Panthers etc

Against the war in Iraq

Now against a rocket system which we are told is against Iran. but even you say that is a lie and it is against Russia.

The record shows the protesters to have been on the right side, and you are the ignorant one, in spite of your studies.

how did iran and north korea get all these nuclear 'secrets' anyway?

Long live America.

Yes, there's a long history of protest and also a history of failure, inaction and incompetence in the recent history:

there were extremely tangible interests in the game

Thank you for enabeling opening of the Eastern front by giving away Czechoslovakia in Munich 1938 - complete political incompetence, and what for a protest was that?

In 1938 there was a delegation from Britain in the Third Reich, where Goring assured them no war conflict is planned

A lot of French and European interests in general were threatened in Vietnam, and a lot of production was lost, so again who risked what in Vietnam, and what was the anti American hysteria about?

Were there any interests from the side of Europe, yes, but definitely not by letting Vietnam become communistic.

I don't know much about apartheid, its history, but what I assume or from what I read, it was a referendum in 1992, made amongst the white voters, who were the only ones that had the right to vote, that enabled the transition to the full democracy, I'll have to dig for the motivation to do this someday

And what?

US is a sovereign state, will you wave a fist on North Korea in Paris, wow, incredible!

The whole question of racial equality seems to be easier these days than it was, Kennedy got spitted on in certain southern states while campaigning for 1964, before the unfortunate Dallas events, yet those states were also a part of US!

This was a massive failure, but again, the main "protest" there is the unwillingness to offer armed support even when there is practical evacuation of the forces and their transition to Afghanistan

And who cares, who cared before 1989, who was the enemy?

You had Pershings in Western Germany and it wasn't bad? Was it?

Were you afraid back then, that the Soviets will burn your ass?

Was it all right back then to care about security?

Is it not in vogue now?

Are we comfortably dumb already?

Doesn't history speak a clear language?

Have we reached the world peace?

You're only getting emotional and show no real facts, please define "ignorance"

I don't care about spoiled kids protesting in the streets, its their right to do so, they wouldn't do anything worthwhile on Sunday afternoon anyway.

yet I sure care about the common sense, action and collective interests

That's correct

Exactly, a great friend of mine was a part of elite forces over there for three years, and the whole OSN thing did more harm than good, as they only gave people a fake hope, and were restricted by bullshit bureaucratics to practically watch the genocide.

I recommend this movie in its uncut / uncensored version:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119873/

As it's probably the best that was made about the conflict and hit the TV screens.

Yet most of the morons here can't let America live, as they need to feel important and praise their "cultural superiority" complex, unfortunately, the more they do so, the more they are only manifesting mere ignorance and cowardness.

The Gaucho has spoken.

Soviet Union or Russia never had any interest to equip any of these countries with nuclear weapons

Soviet/ Russian Chinese relations are far from being good since the take over in China in 1949, escalated in the Ussuri conflict, when Soviet Union made three divisions of the Chinese army practically disappear from the face of Earth - something not spoken about..

Iraq was active in their nuclear program, they say it was a coincidence this was uncovered during the Desert Storm operation and destroyed.

It takes a lot of time to distill the plutonium so you can apply it for the chain reaction that's required too work with a fully functional atom bomb, the way Iraq used to do so (I guess 8 years if I remember well). The development was never finished.

Interesting question worth some research though.

India, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran

Whole lot of shaking going on in this region

who cares :)

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and it's exactly this comfortably dumb "who cares" attitude that helps the overall idiocy grow.

Btw. comparing Bush with Klaus,

no matter how one didn't ever had any qualifications to do his job

and the other one is almost "overqualified", extremely educated, while dealing with his narcism an ego on almost daily basis

is like comparing average intelligent monkey with Albert Einstein turned pathological exhibitionist.

They say the nuclear program was supported by the West until the great Islamic revolution in 1979, which is quite logical.

They say that Pakistan could have been a major factor in helping fasten up the nuclear development in Iran.

The information, that I was able to check on the web are mainly unclear and incomplete, this would require more time, effort and insight of someone competent.

Here's something interesting:

?Israel wants to know that if its forces were given the green light they could strike at Iran in a matter of days, even hours. They are making preparations on every level for this eventuality. The message to Iran is that the threat is not just words,? one senior defence official told The Times.

Officials believe that Israel could be required to hit more than a dozen targets, including moving convoys. The sites include Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges produce enriched uranium; Esfahan, where 250 tonnes of gas is stored in tunnels; and Arak, where a heavy water reactor produces plutonium.

The distance from Israel to at least one of the sites is more than 870 miles, a distance that the Israeli force practised covering in a training exercise last year that involved F15 and F16 jets, helicopters and refuelling tankers.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6115903.ece

I would dare to say that Israel initiating the conflict instead of NATO is a rather possible scenario.

Well, there's no doubt that the Bush administration "helped" this a big deal.

Unfortunately, having a fail at steering wheel for 8 years, having all the core principles pissed on won't help any nation with its self confidence.

I hope Barack will be able to at least partially restore unity, faith and confidence, as it's now more important than ever.
He's very well qualified from the political skills point of view, he should be able to win even those young intellectually styled voters.

Unfortunately, he became a president at the time, when global capitalism went practically bankrupt.

He now is looked upon as a savior, that is supposed to fix everything, that is now ruined, due to the recent concentration of power in the private banking system, especially from Reagan's times till now.

The bubble burst, the real money disappeared and only virtual remained, the party is over.

That's a challenge that is very, very hardly solvable, unless you turn very radical in some ways.

And radical solutions with long term effect will never win over the general / short term thinking population.

Quoted for truth.

I can make a thread called "dumbest thread ever" and bump it a few times a week as you do. Believe me - it will get much more views than yours :2 cents:

Once again: who really cares?

If you look at our history this what we did in the US. The states were not homogenous. Europe seems on the right track with the EU. Bigger is better and hopefully someday we will have one world.

There was a good point made earlier that since we export our culture to the world that obviously other coutries know more about us then we know about them.

Thanks for the bump.

It's very hard to find a parallel.

If I remember well, there were mainly three branches of interest in Northern America:

The British empire

France

The kingdom of Spain

And the extremely crucial steps in order to create a new, united country, were.

Step by step, to eliminate ALL these particular national interests.

That's already a premise you can build on, and that's a premise that's impossible to realize in the EU.

That is correct, unfortunately the culture, as displayed, is not always too compatible with the mindset of its audience and might even stimulate aversion (talking about Jerry Springer for example :)).

And not only you :) They call everyone :) Just remember which army has saved Prague from total destruction in 1945 (it was undermined by retreating Nazi if btw)?

As about the US Army, so this is a quote from wikipedia (I really don't like that site, but I've quoted it here as an exception):

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Second World War
Main article: Occupation of Czechoslovakia
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In 1942, Prague was witness to the assassination of one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany - Reinhard Heydrich (during Operation Anthropoid). Hitler ordered bloody reprisals. At the end of the war Prague suffered several bombing raids by the U.S. Air Force. Over 1000 people were killed and hundreds of buildings, factories and historical landmarks were destroyed (however the damage was small compared to the total destruction of many other cities in that time). Once it was certain that the outcome of the war was decided and Germany would surrender to the allies, Prague revolted against the Nazi occupants on 5 May 1945 two days before Germany capitulated, on May 7. Four days later the Soviet army entered the city. The majority of German population either fled or was expelled in the aftermath of the war.
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Oh yes Czech people are so angry at Russians because of Soviet tanks in Prague on August 1968 (actually those were not only Russian tanks...), and they don't ever remember who saved their beautiful city in 1945, but they are soooooooooooooooo thankful to the US army for its bombing raids and 1000 killed people. Actually who count those Czechs if they were killed by an old good friend :)

:2 cents:

CarlosTheGaucho, learn history man and stop being such an anti-Czech vassal looking for the stronger guy in the block to kiss his ass. Yesterday it was Ivan, today it's John, tomorrow it will be Chan or Mao, right? :winkwink:

Why are you even continue to talk more bile in this thread?

What are you actually asking?

What is your point?

Did you even read what I wrote before?

Or you just don't have anything to say and starting to get emotional behind the keyboard?

Ok once again:

1) Russia and the rest of RVHP countries would most likely be, from the economical / industrial point of view, a better choice than the west after 1989.

2) Czechoslovakia was a technological center that supplied many countries such as Lybia, Egypt, Mongolia, certain parts of Soviet Union with know how and technology, a premise that could have been built on after 1989.

3) Instead of continuing the course, the country chose the western sociopolitical system, which practically destroyed the key industries and turned former Czechoslovakia into another outsourced center for western multi national corporations, with cheaper and qualified workforce.

4) Czechoslovakia made their decision, and should be responsible for this.

Responsibility is the key word, because everyone here is only capable of shouting, instead of thinking, or doing.

Btw. war is not led to preserve lives if those who are fighting, war is led to preserve the lives of those, who will come after them, war is led to win.

so..........are you complaining because you'd prefer to be speaking german right now or russian?

because whatever little shitstain country you're from, the only reason it still exists is because of the trillions of dollars the US has spent protecting you. :winkwink:

1) I'm not complaining at all;
2) yes, I speak Russian :)

You are wrong sir, it's a biggest country in the world :)

For some reason I don't think so :1orglaugh

Because I have some free time right now, and because I love to make fun of ass-kissers. Is than a good explanation? :pimp