As an affiliate I prefer CCBill, I promote enough sponsors already to have individual programs and checks.

Thanks to those with constructive feedback (i.e. referring URL issues). It will be taken into account over the next couple weeks.

Also, based on user feedback of half loving the new interface and half hating it there is a "simple" skin to be released to all NATS 4 programs in the next couple of weeks which you may choose if you prefer.

i hate having to go to my account to create a campaign, then to tools and then link codes, the older versions made it so much easier.

This will be addressed shortly also. You're not yelling into the dark if you have a valid concern.

Happy this turned into some constructive commentary you can use John!

Im still waiting for the update since November 2008!

Seriously

NATS 4 looks like a lot of hard work, money and resources to have another tool dreamed up by a programmer with a PhD. To him it was the most logical thing ever. :winkwink:

What this industry needs today more than ever is money spent on the inside of the sites. we need to win the customers back to buying. After 8 years of spending lots of money on the outside of the site are you going to tell me we got it right?

Tools are important, but not as important as having a willing customer.

They are not in the content business. They are in the software business. They provide tools to gather data, assist in making sales, and the like. They need to keep innovating and upgrading no matter what you think we have or do not have gotten right.

Naturally your post jumps to the assumption that every single fucking website out there has it wrong, is not giving its customers what they want, blah blah blah. Then again I suppose sites such as FTV, twistys, azani, etc. are still also getting it all wrong and do not need such tools. There are of course hundreds of such sites out there giving their customers what they want and doing damn well at what they do. - However fuck them right, TMM should stop trying to innovate their product because so many are not giving the customer what they want. Thus do the very thing to their customers that you are bitching about in the first place.

On another note yet off topic of the thread itself yet not of your reply. It makes perfect sense for many to pay more for a CMS to run their members area as it gives them not only data about their customers, it gives them interaction, provides the customers with more, and we all know that it is much easier to keep a customer than get a new one. Knowing what your customers like, what they are viewing, clicking, etc. helps everyone out - assuming they use the data.

PS - I heard a rumor that you were not posting here any longer out of sickness, guess someone fibbed to me.

They need to adapt the existing program to make it easier and better, not try to sell something that looks like it's harder. Will they upgrade for free? But as you said they are a software company and that's how they make their money. Does it bring more money into the pot for all of us if we all upgrade to NATS 4?

As for the stupid, yes stupid statement of quoting a few companies who have it right and assume all is well. I thought you had more sense than that. Clearly I was wrong.

Or are you saying people are going to Tubes sites because paysites are a better option? All sites should aspire to get to the level of FTV, Twistys, Sapphic and more. The problem is too few do. They spend too much on driving around a reluctant buyer to sites he's seen a thousand time before. This industry needs to spend more money on what customers buy and less on driving them around.

The rumor was I would post less. Accuracy never was your forte. I have just come home from hospital where I was having 6 days chemo therapy for cancer in the tongue. I was able to come home during the day and about all I can do is post on boards. Sparring with guys like you does not require a lot of energy. :1orglaugh

Why would a rumor someone told me even be expected to be accurate, let alone take another chance at taking a jab at me when I clearly state it was a rumor - not something I read, saw you post, whatever. You can not even back up what you said about me and accuracy either btw.

Sorry to hear your having to deal with cancer. Had my own last year and dealing with another now. I am super lucky that way.

Nats pretty much operates off of a lease arrangement (some people do buy it outright). So far any and all upgrades have been free that I am aware of and are part of your monthly lease fee. I do not know for sure as I do not pay for nats myself, I just know several that do including a few I work with. Yet all other lease type programs I personally deal with get free upgrades.

Most people that are ass fucking others, really do not need to spend money on back end shit unless it makes up selling even easier. They typically use their money on getting additional merchant accounts, buying up sales from others, etc. Every so often they will toss out some money to some shooters to give them some of the same type of content they always buy. Yet that is on the low end of the list, hell it seems even lower than having affiliate reps.

We use nats4 on fetishdiamonds - new 100% exclusive foot fetish affiliate program. We are very happy with the results, it works great. Right now we are in a open beta stage, but in 1-2 weeks we are going out big :) anyway, nats v4 is great!

Since March 13, Spank Buxx, World Wide Wives and Sonar Cash changed from Nats to CCbill. There may be more, those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

we have been upgrading from 3->4 since january, nats4 is VERY different and its hard work getting everything setup again.