Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15760653)

so has anyone found a single building in the history of steel structures that collapsed like WTC 7?

are we to believe that it was a one in a million historical event that just happened to look exactly like a perfectly executed demo job?

are we to believe that larry silverstein said "pull it" when he was talking about a group of firefighters? do we refer to people as "it"?

are we to believe that a building has never completely collpased before due to fire and/or structual damage in the history of steel buildings but yet it happened to three of them on the same day?

WTC 7 was such an extremely well built structure that it was the mayors "safe place" in the event of an emergency like this and it was also the holding place for exteremly important government records but yet it collapsed in seconds! are we to believe it collapsed from fire and structual damage but the buildings on either side remained standing?

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15760653)

so has anyone found.... < snip >

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15757711)

this is a very ironic remark which perfectly highlights your insanity.

videos dont lie; you point out that every video is a lie and can be faked... unless you agree with a video, then that video "can't be faked" and is absolute proof

eye witnesses don't lie; which eyewitnesses? the overwhelming majority which have identical stories? or the tiny minority which don't?

science doesn't lie; which science? you spend considerable time explaining all the science proving what happened was a lie (lets forget the fact that you have no math, engineering or metallurgy background are defininately aren't qualified to do so). i presume you again mean "the science i agree with" doesn't lie.

you dismiss everything you don't agree with as fake, a lie, a coverup etc. and you latch on to a few things for which you fabricated an alternative alternative and demand they be accepted as fact because they "can't be faked"... which is ironic considering you are calling all similar facts, videos, reports, science etc "faked".

forgetting 9/11 all together and what anyone might think happened and to what degree. you are totally out of your fucking mind. literally. you are 100% insane. you're views are the result of paranoid delusions and a symptom of mental illness. its truly unfortunate that you don't get the help and medication you need so that you could start to lead a normal life.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 15761281)

Eye witnesses do lie. And to make things worse, twenty people can see the same exact thing and walk away with twenty ideas of what happened. A classic example of this is that plane that hit the Pentagon - Some people said it was a missile, yet others were able to correctly id the exact type of plane it was.

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761299)

true, people can have different "perceptions" for the same event. this is very common during traumatic experiences. that's why other evidence is used to confirm what witnesses observed.

that's why when eye witnesses say they heard timed explosions it is confirmed by videos like this:



this is why the collapse of WTC 7 is the smoking gun.

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761313)

Care to comment on the pictures, witnesses including the FDNY Chief, evidence... here: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm ?

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15760653)

so has anyone found a single building in the history of steel structures that collapsed like WTC 7?

are we to believe that it was a one in a million historical event that just happened to look exactly like a perfectly executed demo job?

are we to believe that larry silverstein said "pull it" when he was talking about a group of firefighters? do we refer to people as "it"?

are we to believe that a building has never completely collpased before due to fire and/or structual damage in the history of steel buildings but yet it happened to three of them on the same day?

WTC 7 was such an extremely well built structure that it was the mayors "safe place" in the event of an emergency like this and it was also the holding place for exteremly important government records but yet it collapsed in seconds! are we to believe it collapsed from fire and structual damage but the buildings on either side remained standing?

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15761477)

Personally I think this thread calls much needed attention to the plight of the mentally ill in our society. There are millions of people like this poster who have almost no connection to reality and are in need of serious treatment. Unfortunately instead of getting the help they need they end up sitting alone and isolated in some dark basement apartment shrilly ranting and raving on message boards about shadowy conspiracies and reptilian shape shifters. It is indeed a sad indictment of our society that these people are left stranded and helpless in the swamp of their own fever dreams. :(

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15761477)

Personally I think this thread calls much needed attention to the plight of the mentally ill in our society. There are millions of people like this poster who have almost no connection to reality and are in need of serious treatment. Unfortunately instead of getting the help they need they end up sitting alone and isolated in some dark basement apartment shrilly ranting and raving on message boards about shadowy conspiracies and reptilian shape shifters. It is indeed a sad indictment of our society that these people are left stranded and helpless in the swamp of their own fever dreams. :(

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 15761498)

You are referring to the people who think Osama Bin Laden did this, right?

George Bush Jr. et al ?

:D

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761429)

sure, i'd love to comment on this.

first of all it seems larry's words are being twisted after the fact from meaning "pulling the firefighters from the building" to "pulling the building down using cables and equipment". it would be impossible to pull a building down within it's own footprint using cables. if this works then demolition teams waste time and money by precisley setting explosives in order to destroy the supporting floors.

secondly, this was the largest crime scene in our history. do you think that wrecking crews would be allowed to start pulling buildings down shortly after the crime happened? is that the first step in a crime scene investigation? bring in a clean up crew so the investigators have a nice working environment before starting?

what was the urgency to "pull" WTC 7? with victims still trapped in the rubble, do you think that was the priority?

does this really look like the work of cables?

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 15761443)

Oh cool another sig spot.

btw google "Barry Jennings"

Another chance to benefit from mental midgets.

:D

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 15761443)

Oh cool another sig spot.

btw google "Barry Jennings"

Another chance to benefit from mental midgets.

:D

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761552)

Don't you think it may be a little intellectually dishonest to selectively take out only the most trivial evidence and testimony...that you can argue against out of that link and ignore the other 98% of solid video evidence and first hand commentary.

And to think of the 2 or 3 things you do pick out of that link out of the hundreds of evidence points against your position, saying that Silverstein's bad choice of words equals he was able to dictate to the FDNY what to do that day is ludicrous , never mind the dozen of so firefighters including the chief who tells you what happened around that episode in the link.

Doesn't it clearly show videos and pics showing it couldn't be a controlled demolition by the way it fell - it didn't even fall into its own footprint at all - nice only showing the fall from one side of the building - the penthouses went first...and they show bulging in the building and how so much damage was done to one side of the building that the photo of after the building fell shows it fell towards that side that gave out.

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761618)

i'm not sure what your point is. are you saying that if there was a camera on the other side of these two buildings it would show something completely different than what's seen at this angle?




this looks like pretty selective damage don't you think?
http://wtc7.911evidence.com/cache/ki...wtc_aerial.jpg

if the building was brought down by cables and equipment, why wasn't this the cause illustrated in the NIST report?

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761618)

i'm not sure what your point is. are you saying that if there was a camera on the other side of these two buildings it would show something completely different than what's seen at this angle?


this looks like pretty selective damage don't you think?
http://wtc7.911evidence.com/cache/ki...wtc_aerial.jpg

if the building was brought down by cables and equipment, why wasn't this the cause illustrated in the NIST report?

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761580)

Wow, so not every gov't person and agency are keeping the secret conspiracy hidden, only the tens of thousands of others.

BTW, speaking of mental midgets, several months ago we had a similar thread about 9/11 and after reading your thought process and arguments, I decided I could never do business with your company while you are there as if you believe what you wrote about what people are capable of...you must have a lot less respect for others like your affilliates and clients than someone who actually applies sanity to their viewpoints.

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 15761659)

Actually I repect anyone and everyone's beliefs.

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 15761659)

I just know a little about building collapse.

:D

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761661)

So why the mental midget comment?

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761657)

Yes, that's what I am saying and it was fire that brought down WTC7 so whatever you are trying to prove with that pic is stupid and of course misleading since I have seen video of large chunks of WTC1 falling into WTC7 and there is lots of evidence of the extent of the damage done.

So speaking of what actually brought down the building - fires, you must know they burned for several hours as the sprinkler lines were knocked out...and that caused the weakening of the columns... I know from some vantage points you can conclude it was isolated small fires, but just watch this video and also what the firefighters say about pulling back as it may fall... http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Smoke.avi

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15761665)

Hersie, just save the effort. There's a few people in this thread that you can not possibly hope to win any argument with. They're actually crazy. Just leavfe XXXMovie4M or whatever is name is alone in his world. He's not going to join you in an argument based on reason or logic so just let it go.

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761694)

again i ask, how can fire cause a steel building to collapse? even buildings completely engulfed in fire for several days do not collapse.

sprinkler systems are run in parrallel, not series so knocking out one section won't disable the safety feature for the entire building!

buildings that have been attacked by missiles suffer severe damage and fire but yet they don't collapse.

i will accept the collapse if there is just one other case of it happening. we're not talking about a spontaneous freak of nature or an action of a person, we're talking about structural damage and fire to a steel building. how many steel structures exist today? how many have suffered similar damage? and finally, how many have collapsed as a result of the damage?

non one can provide an example of this because it's never happened before, yet we're expected to believe that not only did it happen for the first time in history, it happened three times on the same day.

if fire did bring WTC 7 down and it was the first time in history of it happening, why wasn't one single building code changed as a result of it?

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761706)

Sorry, i misspoke, it was the water lines to the building that were destroyed not the sprinklers themselves that failed.

Duh, no other 47 story building in history constructed the way this one was went with fires burning for several hours with part of its base knocked out...so yes, it was the first time in history this happened. But what does any of that prove on its own.

It's like you refuse to evaluate the evidence of why this was the first time in history that it happened. How can someone ever win an argument against your line of reasoning. That is why you adopt it rather than look to the actual evidence.

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761633)

You are not being honest with the totality of evidence out there and keep on sticking to the minute ones that may somehow be capable of being twisted around enough to support your cause.

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15761760)

You've pretty much just given the definition of how to argue in favor of a conspiracy theory. It works with pretty much all of them.

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15761523)

You need to learn to ignore the voices in your head. Accepting that you have a problem and that not everything you perceive is reality will help you in the process of your recovery. Even people like you with severe cases of schizophrenia and related mental disorders can achieve a somewhat normal life through medication and regular professional treatment.

Understanding that you are sick and it is not your fault are important first steps. In the beginning you will likely need to rely on someone who is not sick to help you sort out which of your perceptions are real and which are the results of your illness. Do not despair as in time you may be able to function and socialize almost like a normal person. In some cases people with your condition are even able to reenter society and get regular employment, but it is important to be patient with your recovery and understand your own limitations. Get well soon buddy! :)

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15761663)

Great, so where is the evidence in this link http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm or the NIST Report misguided or flat out wrong or better yet, perpetuating a conspiracy?

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15763496)

Please stop responding to this moron...don't you fucking get it...he's fucked in his head. There is no point whatsoever to discuss this shit with the retard. I repeat no point whatsoever.

Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M (Post 15761789)

hey, i'm still waiting on that reply you owe me!

i simple "i'm sorry, i goofed up and didn't know what i was talking about" will suffice :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15760424)

No I obviously just confused you with one of your other paranoid schizophrenic buddies on here. You guys have so many personalities it's hard to keep track.

Forgive me for not keeping an outline of all the minute details of your paranoid delusions. I didn't realize I would be tested later on which idiot believed which crackpot theory and why.