i'm talking about the comment you made about me saying i didn't believe planes hit the towesr. you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and randomly make up shit in an attempt to "fit in" but the truth is you jumped into a conversation you know nothing about.

your only evidence is a report written by a government agency to cover up a crime committed by the government.

i'm glad they at least acknowledged the fact that they didn't even have samples of the metal from WTC 7. this was the only time in history that a steel building collapsed from fire and yet they started removing evidence before investigators had a chance to examine it.

you're living proof that we need better schooling here in the US.

hey, dirty fuckstick...don't be upset because you can't provide one example. i'm sure you looked and couldn't find anything so the only thing you're left with is "boo hoo, he's a moron, he's a fagot, he's fucked in the head, he's crazy...boo hoo"

if you can't provide any facts then just move along to another thread. this obviously doesn't concern you and you're not smart enough to participate so go talk about how you're going to stop tubes!

You're proving my point again and again that you only see what you want to see when you read something.

All you have is "can you tell me another example of a building that did thus and so?", and since nobody has an example, that means that you're right about everything you've said?

Since something happened for the first time on 9/11 that means it didn't really happen?

You ask for scientific evidence about things, and then when it's given to you, you dismiss it because it's "a government report"....and then you continue to say over and over that nobody can prove you wrong.

Well yeah, considering the only thing that's apparently "credible" in your eyes are things that agree with the viewpoint you already hold, that makes it impossible to prove you wrong, regardless of how wrong you are.

Welcome to wonderland, tell Alice I said hi.

Peer reviewed paper
"Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7"

http://debunking911.com/paper.htm

As for the "scholars" who insist that it was a controlled demolition

• None of the conspiracy "scholars" have passed a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal saying the collapse of the towers was impossible.
• Many peer reviewed papers have been passed in respected scientific journals saying the towers collapsed from impact and fire alone.
• The few scholars who say they are structural engineers and are conspiracy theorists are not working in the field.
• Dr. Fetzer wrote books on JFK and moon landing conspiracies.
• Prof. Jones was a physicist who worked on cold fusion and not structural or civil engineering.
• Prof. Judy Woods was a dental engineer and did not have a job in structural engineering.
• Gordon Ross is not a structural engineer. None of his so called "papers" have passed peer review by a respected scientific journal. He hasn't made a single attempt in a respected journal.
• The scholars for 9/11 truth created their own journal which has no impact to the scientific community and is created by and for the conspiracy theorist community.
• Conspiracy theorists haven't tried to pass a peer reviewed paper in a respected scientific journal. This proves they have little faith in their own work.
• Structural engineers in Jones own university call his hypothesis "very unreliable".

It's really hard to imagine that all of those papers that say it wasn't a controlled demolition have passed peer review but not a single paper has been put forth for review that claims it was a controlled demolition....IF it was actually a controlled demolition or if it was impossible for the building to collapse into it's own footprint from fire and impact damage alone.

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progressive collapse is an interesting "theory". it's interesting that he wrote that entire report without having looked at one piece of evidence from the scene. the truth is, no one was able to examine the evidence before it was destroyed.

if this is the first time progressive collapse has ever brought down a steel building, how did the firefighters and police at the scene know that the building was going to collapse? did they consider the "progressive collapse" theory before he did?

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In late 2007 a British academic, Dr. Keith Seffen of the University of Cambridge, published a new mathematical analysis of the collapse of the World Trade Centre ? however the paper contains several ridiculous claims. Now a formal request has been made by Mr J A Blacker MSc IMI, who recently debunked the paper, to Dr. Chris Burgoyne, the Head of the Department of Engineering at Cambridge University, highlighting these errors and appealing for the misleading paper to be corrected.

The request points out that Dr Seffen?s paper defies several key laws of physics, i.e. conservation of momentum and conservation of energy.

Mr Blacker?s request also states:

?All the floors offered the same flimsy resistance, when in fact each had different construction characteristics, is beyond any logic as the lower floor core columns were over double the thickness compared to the upper floors.?

Such glaring errors should be an embarrassment to one of the world?s oldest and most prestigious universities.

Dr Seffen?s paper essentially claims that a falling body can fall through the path of most resistance. Such a claim is ludicrous and defies all logic or honest scientific integrity.

Another inaccuracy in the paper is the fact it does not take into account the energy needed to convert the 300,000 tons of concrete and steel to dust.

?The Seffen analysis is based on the columns being a hollow box construction. What about cross bracing?? states Mr Blacker.

?The Seffen paper claims that burning jet fuel in air can weaken ALL the steel girders evenly (hence symmetrical collapse due to gravity of all columns perfectly), yet both ends of these outer and inner massive columns were outside the fire zone to differing degrees hence heat would have conducted up and down very efficiently at different rates, and many columns were not even subjected to any significant fire. Are we really expected to believe that fire can weaken steel evenly despite the core columns conducting heat efficiently at varying rates away from varied regions of temperature??

Simply put, for the University of Cambridge to continue supporting this absurd theory is to present a fictional view of physics.


http://www.rinf.com/multimedia/Cambr...ffen_Paper.pdf

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Snake Doctor, you know you can't win this argument with him. Just stop responding to the lunacy.

I think this the most amazing footage of the demolition of tower 1.


Whats causing the floors 10 stories below the collapse to give way?

i wouldn't worry about it if i were you, i'm sure costa rica isn't a primary target for any attack!

the government got rid of all the evidence from WTC 7 because they knew exactly what brought it down and they knew if anyone else examined the debris they would know too.

why is it so hard for you guys to accept the government staging this attack? you're totally in denial to the mountains of evidence that clearly show this was planned yet you find it more believable that it was done by a small group of middle-eastern rebels because as bush put it "they hate our way of life".

so basically they only got bragging rights? all that time and money spent to say "ha ha".


who else benefitted from the attack? hmmm, lets see....

US Government
the government got the approval from congress they have been desperately seeking to invade iraq...again, yet to this day they have not been able to produce any evidence that iraq has or ever had WMD!


US Military
nuff said!


Larry Silverstein & Group
the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.

instead of renovation, silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. the total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

there you have it. the government supplied nano explosives and the resources for a massive explosion and the coverup so silverstein would not have to pay for costly asbestos removal.

now that's a bailout!

This point alone debunks your entire theory that 9/11 could have been an inside job.

How could the same government be cunning enough to pull of a controlled demolition that slaughtered 3000 civilians and make it look like a terrorist attack, yet at the same time be so incompetent that they couldn't plant some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify the war?

Also again, funny how you ignore everything I posted and instead decide to focus on some minutiae that is inconclusive enough for you to create the illusion of wrongdoing or a cover up.

That being said, this is a waste of my time and it's like pissing into a fan (from the wrong side) so xxxmoviecospiracyidiot, welcome to my ignore list.
I'd say it's been nice knowing ya, but I don't like to lie.

because the inspections were done by the UN, not the US government.

This link presents some evidence, not all.

It also shows bulding six took much more damage than building seven yet building seven went down like butter.

The NIST report contradicts itself. Read it.

:D

Not true; read:

http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm

You say:
This isn't true. There IS a peer-reviewed scientific paper:

http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm

Click "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"

No, there aren't. In fact NIST and FEMA reports weren't even peer reviewed because they wouldn't pass.

This is wrong; on top of firefighters and family members of 9/11 there are active structural engineers, architects, demolition experts, and more:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Fetzer isn't the only one who doubts the Warren Commission; I don't know what you're referring to about moon landings (apparently, neither do you); Jones is well respected.

Fetzer has his own enemies in "the movement", and most fact-based researchers assign him a second-tier importance, though his research is apparerently sound.

Irrelevant, and you're disregarding any facts. There has been at least one peer reviewed paper regarding non-bin-laden "theories", which surpasses the number by people who claim that the buildings collapsed by airliner fuel and collateral dammage alone.

The rest of what you say is irrelevant or repeats the incorrect statements you made earlier.

Things like:
are clearly misinformed or misguided. Do a little more research...

:D

so why would you think the US government would have to provide any evidence of WMD? they invaded iraq and are currently there. the only time they ever made comments about WMD is when asked during press conferences.

the only thing they had to say is "they got them, we know they got them" and eventually people stopped asking.

just like after 9/11, the government kept our minds busy with revenge so we wouldn't ask too many questions and eventually people will stop asking about that too.

11 pages. wow.

The anti-911 guys have lost this fight...

They wanted video proof, it was posted. They wanted articles, it was posted. They wanted documents, it was posted. They wanted scientific articles, it was posted.


No amount of posting of 'proof' will change the minds of sheep. It's like they think our Gov has always told the truth, like they haven't attacked us already...

Weeeee are Sheep - Sheep, sheep - sheep! Weeeee are Sheep - Sheep, sheep - sheep!

couldn't the other side say the same?

VIDEO PROOF I REPEAT VIDEO PROOF

CLEARLY SEE FLASHES GOING OFF

North Tower incredible flashes and pops
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCAoJuDw2Ic

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/218...rmov04bns3.jpg

this thread got pretty quiet after the evidence was provided.

acts like 9/11 is the real reason why so many countries hate the US. if we can do stuff like this to our own people, just imagine what we do to other countries but never hear the truth.

the only convincing evidence that has come to light is the fact that you're a lunatic. you've made us all believers!

interesting stuff

I read on the internet that nearly 20% of the population suffers from some form of mental disease. Discuss??:)

and the government knew the other 80% would believe anything they fed them regardless of how ridiculous it is.

10-100 tons? to those who dunno what a ton is thats 2,000 pounds per ton....
100 tons is 200,000 pounds of explosives... 200,000 1 pound bags..

There's a reason why the world is like it is.. people believe what the smarter people tell them..

Not many people know that 80% of us prefers Pepsi over Coke in a blind test, but if you know you're tasting Pepsi and Coke 80% likes Cokes the best.. in fact the pleasure center in the brain shows we enjoy/like Coke more if we know that's what is in the glass.. that is what branding does to you - it alters your reality - for real.

Alot of peoples reality is generated by the media.. they haven't got a fucking clue what the real world is like

Obviously if this were a legitimate debate the 911 troofers would have long ago given up as their absurd claims and outlandish theories have been discredited time and time again....... but you need to remember that you are dealing with sick people here. They need treatment and regular medication. Engaging with them in a serious manner only feeds into their mania. They will dismiss the mountains of facts which contradict their predetermined conclusions as "propaganda" and eagerly embrace even the flimsiest shred of "evidence" which supports their delusions. People arguing with them only reinforces their almost religious belief in the grand conspiracy and how many of us are in on it.

With that logic,why would the government actually care about what the population thinks.

If only that were true then this thread would have ended a long time ago and a number of posters would be currently getting the help they need. :1orglaugh

The problem is that inbred idiots with a 6th grade education and a lot of misfiring synapses see a couple of youtube videos on the interwebs and then the brainless fools go about regurgitating the simplistic illogical nonsense every chance they get to anyone who has the misfortune to listen.

Better education and mental healthcare is the only solution to this problem....... or else stupid people could just start listening to smart people and shutting the fuck up. Either way. :upsidedow

No, not at all... I have read this thread over, I haven't seen ANY proof, not even a tiny bit of proof, that it was ONLY terrorists that did this.

But like millions and millions of others, even before you watch another video or read an article... you know the story you were being told was bullshit from day one.

We probably aren't ever going to get real proof, but without question far to many things simply don't add up. And based on real facts that our Gov really has attacked it's own people and has made plans to do it before......

You would be a damn fool not to think our Gov didn't have a hand in this.

Maybe you will be the one to finally address this question.

When you say *The Government* are you talking about the republicans or the democrats? The government is a group of people. Not some nameless entity. Once we determine which party would be behind this,then naming names should get easier.

At the Government level, parties are bullshit. They are all best friends that work together and hire dirty hookers on our tax money.

Does that mean you think it was former Governor Spitzer of NewYork that was behind it?
All this boogieman talk about *THE GOVERNMENT* is nothing but a copout. Who in the government? What elected or appointed officials were behind this alleged conspiracy.

Oh this is your attempt to be cleaver?.... It Failed..

It's a fairly simple question. You conspiracy people all toss around the term THE GOVERNMENT... Who in the government is behind it. Name names. What's so clever about that?

Hershie,

Discussions on a subjects such as 9/11 can easily turn into ONLINE arguments because there are so many opionions that people feel very strongly about. There's no way that I (or anyone else here) would judge someone just because disagree with their opion of the true events of 9/11. And no matter what, it DEFINATELY would have no influence on my choice of whether to do business with them or not.

Come on. These are just BBS FIGHTS. Most everyone in this thread will still get together for beers at any trade show, and leave all of the online "drama" (especially 9/11 drama!) where it belongs, online.

Greg and I get into the 9/11 discussion at least 2-3 times a month. While we fail to agree on many aspects of that horrible day, the sparring we do challenges us to consider alternatives and ideas. (Aliens did it!). No matter what though, the discussions is always just that, a discussion. My opinion of the man, his smarts and business sense wouldn't change no matter how much his ideas

It's unfortunate that you select business partners based on opinions on subjects that have nothing at all to do with business. I hope it works for you.

Best regards,

You do know that Hitler burned down the german government building and blamed the communists in order to turn Germany into a police state (dictatorship) right?

Out clever me then...answer the question. Or any of you conspiracy people,step in.

If you are Americans,you spent the last 2 years being bombarded by politicians.

Who is THE GOVERNMENT is behind this vast conspiracy.

why do you need specific names? the government said Al-Qaeda was responsible for the attack. who the fuck is Al-Qaeda? why aren't you asking for specific names instead of a group?

do you think there was a handfull of people behind 9/11?

do you know how the military kept the development of the "armored tank" a secret? they had different companies build each major part and only a small group assemble the final product. this way no one really knew what it was. they told the workers it was a vehicle used to carry water to troops, hence the nickname "tank".

the military and government is very clever when it comes to keeping secrets. i'm sure only a small group knew the big picture of 9/11. i don't think people like larry silverstein knew what was going to happen, but i bet he knew there would be an "arrangement" to get rid of his money pit buildings. he got 7.1 billion for the buildings but yet he only has 1 billion left. getting rid of debt isn't cheap!