400 crazy conspiracy dorks.

Wow, fuck Silverstein...

i love it! what goes around comes around! the only thing he'll be "pulling" now is his dick.

i'm sure he was thinking he would get rid of the money pit towers and get to build his new state-of-the-art skyscraper.

good luck larry :321GFY

Yeah dictionary showed me the correct spelling.

shape of hole in pentagon

O

shape of plane

----O----


Anyone? how about the 7 or so cameras that had an angle on the impact site? no video? or the unburnt paper to either side of the hole.. Where's the gas?


BTW, the US has many many times allowed attacks to occur that they know about, faked attacks on itself, and manipulated news events to control the people. In fact, almost our entire history is littered with it. Spanish American War as a whole was fought as a distraction.

Look, I'm not saying I wouldn't shoot down the plane over Pennsylvania, I'm not saying that pulling the wool over the eyes of the people isn't probably a necessary evil.

But in military planning, there is such a thing as "acceptable losses" and a building that was "mostly empty" and another that was "under construction and totally evacuated before impact" are acceptable.

The hole isn't the right size, people in PA that were first responders said the PA plane came down in pieces (we shot it down, hid the pilot, you don't want him taking media questions about firing missles at americans, but needed to be done), the building were not "really hot" before the collapse, as fire puts out thick black smoke when it's cooling off and suffocating, like you saw on both towers.

Look, it didn't take a rocket scientist to know they'd hit those buildings again, it's been a target like 3 times already. I don't think they made up the first 2 planes, but after those two planes they took what libery would be needed to respond in kind. Hitting only some finanical buildings would have looked like a financial protest. Hitting our own chief military building with a cruise missle makes it an act of war.

the fact you can't even find a politician willing to admit that not everyone believes the story, and give no love to the ideas of further investigation kind of seal it for me.

They shipped all the evidence to china as fast as they could, despite all kinds of cries from the engineering community not to do so, so that we might learn from the mechanics of it's collapse... the government response

"don't worry about it too much, we're not gunna put thermite in the buildings you're designing anyhow, so it wouldn't matter" LOL

they had it rigged to go down "just in general" when the moment came where it made sense to use the asset, they did. And it worked. stunningly.

They even got to use it to take away a lot of our rights... "These are unimaginable times" no, the times when we DRAFTED these rights were unimaginable. We were outgunned, and OCCUPIED, and our founding fathers still put these rights to paper, against all the threats THEY faced.. We loose like .00001% of the people in a minor accident (I'm sorry how many people died yesturday of starvation, car accidents, lung cancer, obesity, curable disease in africa, haiti and elsewhere?), and suddenly people are ok with what goes on now at our borders and airports and in the streets in general....

it's not fucking healthy

yea, there wouldn't be much left. but if you hit that wall with a

o

it's gunna leave a o shaped dent

the size of the hole in the pentagon shows undamaged walls to either side of O shaped hole

----O----

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/pentagon&plane.jpeg

http://www.theapp.appstate.edu/archi...entagon%20Bomb

never mind the computer enhanced one... look at the unaltered photo of the pentagon... You're telling me that the damage to that building looks plane shaped?

and where's the "steel weakening fires" from this crash... same plane, same fuel load... no fire...

in fact, look closely at the collapse site, UNBURNT PAPER AND BOOKS....

paper spontaneously combusts at fairly low temperatures, if there was even a fire nearby the books should have caught flames.



cruise missle...

bow

also, for what it's worth, none of the rubble in that pile even looks like it ever possibly been part of a plane, some building rubble sure, but I see no plane parts anywhere.

Watch this Tarpy.. Some more questions about this left unanswered.

I have 2 questions

a) where did the plane and the people go?
b) were the hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the plane flying towards the pentagon in on it?

you know what's not healthy? Paranoid sociopathy.

It always amazes me what people will come up with.

Two options for the pentagon:

1) A commercial airplane was crashed in to the pentagon.

2) A commerical airplane was hijacked, people on board disposed of, airplane disposed of, then a cruise missile was slammed in to the Pentagon all the while telling the World that it was the missing commercial airplane.

Tarpy, do you have any idea what Occam's Razor is?

So you are saying that after a rocket hit the Pentagon they quickly planted random plane parts all over the place?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Pent...copy1-full.jpg

The idiocy just goes on and on...

Everything is answered in detail. Discovery channel has a very detailed docu which shows in 3d animation exactly how the plane entered the Pentagon and why the damage looks like that. All the answers are there but you idiots don't wanna know about it.

you mean - no plane parts apart from the plane parts that were scattered all over the place?

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg

The Jews did it. They rigged up those building to come down. Any shit for brains can see that. Silverstein made off like a bandit. America uses it's army to kill Muslims. Follow the money.

It's amazing how anyone can find many pics of many plane parts within 10 secs with Google yet these idiots for some reason can't and then base their theories on random stuff they make up or heard from another idiot.

1 person posts on a moron conspiracy forum there were no plane parts and from that point on instead of looking it up all the idiots who read it go to other forums and claim there were no plane parts. Amazing how that works.

:eek7:eek7

Wow I missed a 9 pager. Incredible.

This will probably get buried here since it's on the 9th page....but for those of you who believe in these theories, I have this to say.

I totally get being skeptical of what the government tells you. In the post Watergate/Vietnam era, and even the run up to the Iraq war when we were misled in some instances and flat out lied to in others, skepticism is not only understandable, it's absolutely necessary.

However, you have to apply the same level of skepticism to ALL information if you want to find out the truth.
You can't just disbelieve everything the government says and auto-believe everything that is said that contradicts the government.

If you analyze everything in the "official version" with a microscope, then you have to use that same microscope when analyzing all of these theories and alternative explanations of what happened.....and what has been the case so far, is these alternative theories, when put under a microscope, crumble.....because they're just not true.

In these scenarios, you guys ignore facts and evidence because they're coming from the "evil government" and instead choose to believe the most ridiculous fantasies, like someone snuck explosives into the building or shot a cruise missile at the pentagon or that the government that was too incompetent to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq actually pulled off slaughtering 3000 of it's own citizens and making it look like a terrorist attack?

The stupidy of these people is just beyond believe. Everytime i think i read the most stupid shit someone else comes up with even more retarded crap.

oh yes, hundreds of people saw "something" fly into the pentagon but it wasn't a jet.

it would interesting to see someone fly a jet 500mph into a building at ground level with out fucking it up.

No, hundreds of people saw a passenger jet. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument though.

Voodoo magic is to be held responsible for 9/11

They fuck up the CGI shot (silly fucks) NOSE OUT - hahaha nice try US Gov.

http://www.911pk-gruppen.no/Nose-Out.jpg-for-web.jpg

Mr crazy has come back to tell us how there were no actual planes again. That's probably the single most stupid theory the "truthers" have ever brought forward.

I'm curious. Does anyone else believe that the twin towers were NOT hit by airplanes? Step forward don't be shy.

WarChild here are your witnesses 'no plane' and by the way the pentagon wall collaspes 40 odd minutes after the hit.

9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA

Dude, you're an idiot plain and simple. Thousands of people saw the planes in New York. Multiple recordings were taken. Anyone that believes there were no planes should seriously question their own common sense.

yes people saw planes in the the sky but no large planes hit the twin towers - anyway this is boring now im off bye.

I just find it baffling that anybody could be as stupid as you appear to be. I mean, I can understand people questioning that day and events around it, but claiming no airplanes hit the towers?

Two scenarios:

1) Airplanes are loaded with people, flown around new York, then vanish with all passengers on board never to be heard from again. At the same time thousands of people are brain washed in to believing they saw planes hit buildings, perhaps through the use of the World's most sophisticated holograms. Every video shot of the event is then rounded up, doctored and redistributed to the owners without the owners knowing anything about this. Buildings that were hit by the fake planes are then somehow damaged to appear to be hit by planes before they fall down.

OR

2) Planes are hijacked and flown in to buildings with thousands of witnesses and multiple video sources of the event.

In what World does scenario 1 make more sense than scenario 2? What would be the point in making something that complex to achieve such a simple result?

hey warchild, you seem to enjoy calling people names. why are you so insecure about his topic that you have to make it personal. you're clearly on the defensive about this whole thing.

after all the video and picture evidence, not to mention logic and common sense...the only thing you hold onto is a bunch of crap written in some reports from government agencies.

There's nothing personal about it. Thinking there were no planes though is just stupid. There's nothing else that can be said about it.

People like yourself and Pornostar69 even more so really bring down the level of intelligence in any conversation about this. You can't participate in a reasonable, intelligent debate because you refuse to use reason. I'll debate thoughtfully with anyone that has an intelligent oppinion, even one different than mine. Arguing with you idiots is just a waste of time though.

How could you even mention logic and common sense? It's ridiculous considering you refuse to employ either.

see, there you go again with the names! what's up with that? you don't have the ability to argue facts with facts. when evidence is presented, you just insult the person hoping to bully them into changing their minds.

but bullies all have the same thing in common. they like to shit talk other people. one thing i know is you never have to worry about shit talkers because that's the only thing they can do.

my opinion is you're seeing all this stuff and realizing you got in too far on a topic you know little about and now the only thing you can do is call people names to discredit them.

it's piling up fast against you and the others who think terrorists did this because...what was the motive again? oh ya, they hate our way of life!

there's a rich family in my neighborhood and i hate seeing them so happy. i'm thinking about loading my car up with explosives and driving into their home while they're all sitting down for a nice family dinner...that will teach them to be happy!

You're seriously crazy. You don't have any facts and you won't listen to any facts. There's no way to have an intelligent conversation with you. I'm not going to argue fantasy theories with you any more, I'm just not.

what facts? the only facts you talk about are the ones in reports.

videos don't lie. eye witnesses don't lie. science doesn't lie.

Mind if I ask you one question? How old are you?

sure, i'm 46 but i'm taken if that's your next question :1orglaugh

Ahh so it's not even ignorant it's pure stupidity. Thanks for clarifying.

well, here's a little of my background. i'm from upstate NY but i didn't lose anyone in the attack so i'm not mourning a death. i proudly served in the military for 12 years before i was injured. i have no political ties or agendas.

i can't stand the thought of our governemt doing this but i've seen government cover ups before and actually witnessed the military destroy crime evidence in their favor. i can't give specific details but alcohol was the cause of a helicopter crash and i saw military personell remove the evidence and destroy it. why would they do that? because like jack said "you can't handle the truth". well, americans can handle this truth either.

the government got away with mass murder "again" and it doesn't matter what you or i believe.

Only right wing idiots believe that.

They hate us because our foreign policy supports the brutal dictators that oppress them. We support those dictators because we need their oil.

They hate us because alot of them have lost family members as "collateral damage" in U.S. bombings and missile strikes over the years.

They hate us because the only schools where they grew up were Mosques that taught them to hate the west, that we were the enemy of Allah and deserved to be punished.

The don't hate us for our freedom or our way of life. Only right wing idiots who puff out their chests with nationalistic pride and are unwilling to admit their country ever made a mistake think that.

However, I just realized that I typed 10 lines to a person who doesn't believe that airplanes hit the twin towers, so using logic and reason was pretty pointless, but since I already typed it, I'll hit the submit button.

They also hate the US because US foreign policy supports Israel and supplies money, aid and weapons that are used against Palestinians.

3D animation? I could show a 3D animation of a plane doing a jig across the lawn..

Perhaps you could explain how an aluminum nose with a bit of framing can penetrate a Pentagon wall; passing through several other walls, when 2 6 ton engines, (with numerous titanium parts) designed to break away on impact, don't even leave a mark, but instead are supposedly forced to change direction... twice... and pulled into the hole.

Just picture in your mind a 6 ton object traveling at 500 mph, and what it would take to have that object suddenly get pulled in a different direction within a few feet.

Laws of inertia dictate that it would take a force far greater than the force of 6 tons @ 500 mph to cause an instant directional change. Engines that are designed to break away from the wings on impact remove any possibility that such a force could exist.

I pay little attention to the photos.. It what is shown is all that was found, that in itself can raise lots of questions..

Try to think of it this way. The plane didn't hit the pentagon in the sense it flew into the pentagon. It most likely struck the ground first, from a high angle. Meaning it didn't fly close to the ground into the side of the building. It did a nose dive into the ground directly in front of the building.

So. Using that theory.

1. The plane would pretty much disintegrate. 500MPH of light aircraft metal directly into the ground. - GONE.

2. The wings would most likely be smashed into nothing, they would have been like a water balloon filled with gas at that speed.

3. Any of the plane that did survive would have been on the long mass, and the mass that survived would have "rolled" (use whatever term you want) forward in one big piece of burning hurling metal into the pentagon. - This could certainly make the main impact area you see on the pentagon - it would also explain the massive blackened wall from a large fire (the wings).

I dunno. Just a theory. It makes more sense than the conspiracy shit. If I truly believed the government was behind 9/11. I'd have the common sense to know they'd simply just fly a 757 into the pentagon instead of shooting a missile into it and claiming it was a 757. :upsidedow

QFT :thumbsup

For the record, I've never said that the govt was behind any of it.. nor have I ever suggested any kind of conspiracy..

As for your theory, several walls were penetrated with the parts reportedly found well within the bldg.

If this plane hit light poles prior to hitting the bldg as was apparently witnessed, the nose dive theory can't work.

I have no idea what it was.. I'm just saying that too many factors, scientific and otherwise, play against the 757 story..

One witness was reported as saying that the plane hit the lawn and slid into the bldg on its wings, which couldn't happen because of the engines and no real lawn damage..
Every witness had a different account..

and still no film shown from all of the cameras aimed in the entry direction..

True, although I personally find it hard to believe that someone from Saudi Arabia was willing to commit suicide over the oppression of someone in Palestine. Especially considering no Arab country is willing to assimilate the Palestinian refugees.

BUT, you are correct in the hate by association over our support for Israel.

I know for me, personally, if the country I live in wasn't a superpower but was subject to the will of a superpower, and that other country launched missiles and dropped bombs on "terrorist targets" but accidentally hit the hospital where my wife worked or the school where my children were....strapping some c-4 to my chest and running into a crowded building in the country that killed my family is something I would probably consider.

If some superpower came and gave me and my countrymen weapons and training so that we could fight against our common enemy (the Soviets) but then abandoned us to starve after we'd done their dirty work, and stood idly by while the oppressive Taliban initiated a coup in my country, but put troops in my holy land to fight against another oppressive dictator, and did it this way because the latter country has oil and the former country doesn't...well I might just spend a decade planning ways to get even. :2 cents:

You 9/11 conspiracy people are nuts... amazing that this thread is still circulating..

This whole thing was started July 16, 1969. Apollo 11 was launched to divert America's attention. Meanwhile, explosives were smuggled into the north tower which was still under construction. And that is why the russians crashed sputnik into the empire state building.

two things for you....

1) does our foreign policy for supporting brutal dictators include hanging them? i guess you didn't clearly define "support".

2) when did i say airplanes didn't hit the twin towers? show me the post where i said this.

who said those bombings were accident? so that's it? woops, sorry about the bombs we dropped on innocent civilians! if you believe the 9/11 attack was real then couldn't they just appologies for it?

let me get this straight, we can shoot down a moving satelite with one missle but we can't hit a stationary target with any degree of accuracy?

how did they get the grounds crew to clean the grass up so fast?

I see Tarpy quietly left this thread. At least he realized he better stop posting because he looks like a total fool. Now if the other lunatics would realize that as well...

It's funny how everytime xxxmoron is asked a question he clearly can't answer he simply ignores it. He must know by now his theories are insane but he doesn't care. He just has to believe. I'm starting to think it's some kind of compulsive behaviour. Some sickness in his brain. Certainly since i know now how old he is. I was pretty sure all this time it was a 15 year old kid which would explain things.