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bronco67 04-14-2009 10:00 AM

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Libertine 04-14-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 15741298)
There was no other choice in this situation and it was handled the best it could, but when you hear the details, it's not as awesome as it sounds.

The pirates shot were 17 and 19 respectively. Their boat had totally lost power and they agreed to have the U.S. destroyer tow them back to calmer waters. The third pirate actually went aboard the destroyer to collect supplies and have a wound on his hand stitched up.

So basically two teen age pirates where shot while aboard a powerless boat while being towed by a U.S. destroyer.

These pirates were obviously clueless and had no military training, or any training whatsoever.

Like I said, there was no other way to handle this and the innocent hostage was secured alive so it was a victory. It's just the whole thing sort of feels hollow.

P.S. The reason the pirates can take over a big ship is because the captain and crew are told to not engage the pirates or fight the pirates in any way. That's also why they don't hire security or carry guns on the ships.

These pirates are bumbling idiots. During a recent ransom payment, several drowned when their tiny boat capsized while trying to pick up the money. The only reason they can hijack ships is because the crews have orders to not fight back.

Most people don't seem to fully understand just what kind of people those pirates are.

Most of them are not evil, scheming criminal masterminds. They're young men living in abject poverty, on the brink of starvation, with zero options and no future.

Few people realize that piracy in Somalia started after the government collapsed and international companies started fishing and dumping waste illegally in Somalian waters, basically plundering the resources of people who had virtually nothing to start with. Somali fishing boats were actually destroyed by foreign fishermen because they didn't want any competition.

Libertine 04-14-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 15739889)
What we need is a President with balls.

These pirates fired off mortals at plane with a US official on it, and then promised us that the United States is now "enemy number one". We should go in there with guns blazing and take over the country. Let it be known that if anyone fucks with the United States, well, their entire country will pay for it.

What we need is idiots like you to die in a fire :2 cents:

Ethersync 04-14-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozarkz (Post 15739890)

omg. what movie is this from? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

OG LennyT 04-14-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15742688)
Most people don't seem to fully understand just what kind of people those pirates are.

Most of them are not evil, scheming criminal masterminds. They're young men living in abject poverty, on the brink of starvation, with zero options and no future.

Few people realize that piracy in Somalia started after the government collapsed and international companies started fishing and dumping waste illegally in Somalian waters, basically plundering the resources of people who had virtually nothing to start with. Somali fishing boats were actually destroyed by foreign fishermen because they didn't want any competition.

glad you're so understanding :2 cents:

hope you're on the next ship

mvee 04-14-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15742688)
Most people don't seem to fully understand just what kind of people those pirates are.

Most of them are not evil, scheming criminal masterminds. They're young men living in abject poverty, on the brink of starvation, with zero options and no future.

Agreed. But it doesn't make hi jacking boats OK. Unfortunately the consequences are high.

I don't know why people are getting all 'America Fuck Yeah!' over this. It's really sad that our highly trained and expensive military is being used to stop a bunch of teen age thugs on a car jacking spree

Libertine 04-14-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mvee (Post 15742936)
Agreed. But it doesn't make hi jacking boats OK. Unfortunately the consequences are high.

I don't think people can afford to care anymore about whether something is "ok" or not if they don't have anything to eat, and no "ok" way to get out of their situation.

If your family was starving to death, would you just accept it and wait to die? Or would you choose to do something that is definitely both immoral and risky, but might just save your family?

And if you had to pick a target for kidnapping, wouldn't the people who have been dumping nuclear waste(!) on your shores for over a decade be at the very top of your list?

crockett 04-14-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 420 (Post 15737186)

lol that's fucked up.

F-U-Jimmy 04-14-2009 11:27 AM

Somali pirates hijack 4 ships, take 60 hostages
 
Somali pirates captured four more ships and took more than 60 crew members hostage in a brazen hijacking spree, while the American captain who escaped their grip planned to reunite with his crew and fly home Wednesday to the United States.

The latest seizures were the Lebanese-owned cargo ship MV Sea Horse, the Greek-managed bulk carrier MV Irene E.M. and two Egyptian fishing boats. Maritime officials said the Irene carried 21 to 23 Filipino crew and the International Maritime Bureau reported 36 fishermen, all believed to be Egyptian, on the two boats.

It was not known exactly how many crew the Sea Horse had, but a ship that size would probably need at least a dozen sailors.

NATO spokeswoman Shona Lowe said pirates in three or four speedboats captured the Sea Horse off Somalia's eastern coast on Tuesday -- an attack that came only hours after the Irene was seized in a rare overnight raid in the nearby Gulf of Aden.

The two Egyptian fishing boats were hijacked in the gulf off Somalia's northern coast but it was not clear if those attacks came Monday or Sunday.

The Gulf of Aden, which links the Suez Canal and the Red Sea to the Indian Ocean, is one of the world's busiest and most vital shipping lanes, crossed by over 20,000 ships each year. It has been at the center of the world's fight against piracy.

A flotilla of warships from nearly a dozen countries has patrolled the Gulf of Aden and nearby Indian Ocean waters for months. They have halted many attacks on ships this year, but say the area is so vast they can't stop all hijackin

bronco67 04-14-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15743069)
I don't think people can afford to care anymore about whether something is "ok" or not if they don't have anything to eat, and no "ok" way to get out of their situation.

If your family was starving to death, would you just accept it and wait to die? Or would you choose to do something that is definitely both immoral and risky, but might just save your family?

And if you had to pick a target for kidnapping, wouldn't the people who have been dumping nuclear waste(!) on your shores for over a decade be at the very top of your list?

I thought the Somali pirates lived like pimps when they're onshore. Anyway, that's what I read somewhere.

Your view is extremely left, and I think you'd be congratulating the trigger man if the captain of that ship was a family member.

No matter what the root cause of the pirates is, it doesn't mean we should just be nice to them. We should scuttle all of their ships to send a message.

$5 submissions 04-14-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15743872)

No matter what the root cause of the pirates is, it doesn't mean we should just be nice to them. We should scuttle all of their ships to send a message.

True but at some point the fact that Somalia is a failed state that decentralizes its region should be addressed. If Somalia had a working government, there'd be less pirate raids.

After Shock Media 04-14-2009 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15743872)
No matter what the root cause of the pirates is, it doesn't mean we should just be nice to them. We should scuttle all of their ships to send a message.

wait!
Your idea is to sink all of the ships being held hostage to send a message?

Or are you talking about poking holes in the pirates little boats they use to launch the attacks?

Donfoolio 04-14-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15743872)
I thought the Somali pirates lived like pimps when they're onshore. Anyway, that's what I read somewhere.

Your view is extremely left, and I think you'd be congratulating the trigger man if the captain of that ship was a family member.

No matter what the root cause of the pirates is, it doesn't mean we should just be nice to them. We should scuttle all of their ships to send a message.

Fuck that, why not just kill every nigga and indian in the world? Would solve these problems since you have no sympathy and call a logical view "extremely left", sounds extremely right?? :upsidedow

Libertine 04-14-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15743872)
I thought the Somali pirates lived like pimps when they're onshore. Anyway, that's what I read somewhere.

Your view is extremely left, and I think you'd be congratulating the trigger man if the captain of that ship was a family member.

No matter what the root cause of the pirates is, it doesn't mean we should just be nice to them. We should scuttle all of their ships to send a message.

My view is extremely left? :eek7

I described the root causes of this continuing problem. If looking at what's actually happening is a "left wing" thing to do, then being a right-winger can only mean you're a fucking retard.

Here are some simple facts.
- urgent situations like this one need to be dealt with swiftly and effectively
- dealing with single situations will not solve the issue at large
- brute force can suppress the issue to some extent, but is unlikely to solve it
- to solve the issue, the root causes need to be addressed

Are you getting this? Is it getting through to you at all? Can your pea-sized brain comprehend the very simple fact that to cure a disease, you need to focus on more than just its symptoms?

As for "scuttling all their ships"... whose ships are you talking about? The pirate ships? The fast, well-hidden ones that don't actually fly a pirate flag, and try to avoid exposing themselves?

Or are you talking about all Somali ships? In which case, you mean destroying the livelihoods of thousands and thousands of dirt-poor, innocent fishermen.

Juicy D. Links 04-15-2009 06:50 AM

btw did everyone know that ships crossing that region have been dumping there waste off somalia waters and thus these pirates started talking action.... but then some other pirates thought "Hmmmm we can get on these ships easily" and so the story goes


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