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Deesnuts 04-15-2009 11:03 AM

stupid is as stupid does

Quagmire 04-15-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15745116)
Of course, tracking down the pirates is a rather simple job, when you think about it. Because they most definitely would never pretend to be simple fishermen. And obviously, they use large, conspicuous ports, dedicated solely to piracy. The thought of blending in with the local population and using small marinas mainly used for fishing would never occur to them.

Don't be stupid, of course they're easy to find. Just look for the guys with the eye patches and parrots on their shoulders. :winkwink:

Quagmire 04-15-2009 02:04 PM

There is actually a simple solution. Send Danza down there. He'll have them all cleared out in a matter of hours.

gmr324 04-15-2009 02:13 PM

Yea, Tony Danza or Omorosa from Celebrity Apprentice!

Intrinsic 04-15-2009 02:18 PM

what happened to good ole cannons? :(

D Ghost 04-15-2009 03:13 PM

heh figures

baddog 04-15-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 15745288)
Hmm...you are so much better informed than the intelligent agent is...why don't you extend a helping hand and provide our intelligence agencies with your intel sources and the wisdom of your experience in such matters?

dad . . . . ?

Matt 26z 04-15-2009 06:30 PM

For years we had a no fly zone in Iraq.

Now we need no sail zones. If any unauthorized boat is spotted in these areas, a drone takes them out no questions asked.

Then you put military forces and private security firms on protecting passageways closer to land.

Why 04-15-2009 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose (Post 15744926)
These little retards are stirring a pot they will be sorry they stirred.

thats what im thinkin too

bronco67 04-15-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15745269)
And everything you hear on tv is both true and fully accurate, that goes without saying.

But enough sarcasm: that's bullshit.

The attacks are carried out by the forces of local warlords, by organized gangsters, and by groups of small-time criminals. Some are financed by independent outsiders, some are not. The pirates themselves are almost as easily replaced as their weapons and boats. As long as money keeps coming in from ransoms, new replacements will be found.

Anyone who even takes a few hours researching the matter knows this. Hell, anyone who searches for "Somalia pirates" in Google Images should know it.

The boats used are very much like normal fishing boats. The weapons used are easily available in Somalia. The people used are expendable to those in control.

"Eliminate 90% of their current capabilities"?

A few impoverished fishermen, a few former or current militia members, a souped up fishing boat or two, and a bunch of weapons - voila, you have a new pirate crew.

This isn't a single, well-coordinated, centralized group of people. Unless the plan is to bomb half the Somalian population into oblivion, air strikes will not eliminate 90% or even 50% of "their" capabilities.

You seem to know everything. Even more than the CIA. They should put you in charge, and we could send over a stern warning on lavender stationery with little hearts on it.

Libertine 04-15-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15749298)
You seem to know everything. Even more than the CIA. They should put you in charge, and we could send over a stern warning on lavender stationery with little hearts on it.

I'm pretty sure that the CIA is very aware of the UN reports and such on this matter. If they're not, that's not my fault.

Here's a suggestion. I know it's a little wild and out there, and not quite popular these days, but you should try it nonetheless: read.

I realize that facts and figures in studies and reports aren't quite as accessible and entertaining as a random talking head on Fox News, but really, they tend to provide rather more information.

As a random aside, why do you and your ilk always assume that carefully analyzing a situation before taking action is the "soft approach"? Decisively taking action by doing something utterly ineffective is dumb. Only idiots do that.

What matters is efficiency. Sometimes that requires a few well-placed bombs, sometimes it requires several months of negotiations. Neither is the answer to everything.

bronco67 04-15-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15749353)

What matters is efficiency. Sometimes that requires a few well-placed bombs, sometimes it requires several months of negotiations. Neither is the answer to everything.

you're right. Options should be explored.

But the bombs will be the only answer these animals will understand. I have a feeling.

directfiesta 04-15-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15749433)
But the bombs will be the only answer these animals will understand. I have a feeling.

Seems more like the ONLY answer you have.... Bombs.. or Bombs :ak47:

StaceyJo 04-15-2009 11:18 PM

Pirates are always bad.

Libertine 04-15-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15749433)
you're right. Options should be explored.

But the bombs will be the only answer these animals will understand. I have a feeling.

Who do you want to bomb?

The grunts? They're expendable. Their bosses have an endless pool of replacements.

The organized gangsters orchestrating some of the attacks? They're well-hidden, tracking them down would be extremely costly, and a good number of their financiers are abroad.

The warlords orchestrating some other attacks? They're easier to find, but their spots are quickly taken by others, and weakening them strengthens the islamists.

The government members suspected to be involved in some attacks? Lack of proof would ensure international outrage, and more importantly, they're the ones the US is trying to support to keep the islamists from gaining power.

Again, look at the war on drugs. Billions of dollars have been poured into it, and it has been pretty much entirely ineffective. The issue here is similar, only in this case, the criminals are actually operating in a truly lawless country.

Sure, regular airstrikes would suppress the issue a bit. But the decreased quantity of incidents would in all likelihood come at the cost of an increased severity of incidents. Fewer ships would get attacked, but more hostages would be killed. And billions of dollars would have to be spent to achieve that questionable trade-off.


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