how do you know how much they make? do you own a tube?

100 full length videos

no, i don't own any tgp's either, but i know how much money they make, same with link lists, i know how much they make and i don't own one of those either

don't be an idiot

i sale thongs

Your observations is not really news, is it?

With or without tubes, if you have ratio 1:500 it means that 499 people are not spending their money. With twice as many surfers, because of the growing number of surfers, and ratio becomes 1:1000, its still the last 1 I'm interested in, and its always been like that. With or without tubes...

Even though the comment you were responding to was made in jest and obviously went over your head.....how on earth would you know how much money they make?

Please share with us how you've stumbled upon this information.

makes more sense to give away free dating and cam sites and upsell paysite memberships

Oh well please enlighten us so that we don't have to be idiots any longer.

Please tell us how much money tgps, link lists, and tube sites make.

I'm waiting with baited breath.

okay then

it's not rocket science

So what you are suggesting is that we get lifestyles condoms or a sex toy company or something like that to pay the cost of content production in exchange for product placement?

That's essentially what Coke's deal with American Idol is right? Product placement.

If I'm missing something please fill me in.

why should i enlighten you and open myself for more critisism? fuck off

fact is tube sites don't make enough money to have all exclusive content and never will

it's not possible

sure...

problem is you can't steal free dating and cam shows

Then it should be no problem whatsoever for you to share the information with us.

I'm still waiting. Holding my breath. Please enlighten me.

i thought were discussing legal tube sites here with full length vids ?

Sure BV, I get it.

How does that foot taste?

Barefootsies might pay for some vids of you right now, and he won't put them on tubes I promise.

buy an add spot and figure it out yourself :2 cents:

fuck off man, keep supporting the cause

[crickets/]

Exactly! The larger tube sites of today offer THOUSANDS of videos, filmed in THOUSANDS of locations, starring THOUSANDS of actors and actresses. Who can afford to accomplish this themselves?

Tubes MAY eventually clean up their act with regards to illegal content, but no single tube owner will ever have the means to populate exclusively.

I can see the largest fish buying out smaller fish, so eventually Company X will offer a tube site that contains many libraries of smaller fish, but in the end Company X will still have to sell something to pay the bills.

Advertisers payments should fund the tube owner buying more licensed videos.

So you bought spots on tube sites and from this you found out how much tube sites make? ok

That's easy! Here you go...

TGPs - Annual whampum
Link Lists - Eleventy seven p/month
Tubes - A buck three eighty weekly

Oh, baited breath... because of the fish avatar? Nice fish reference! If I wasn't making the whole thing up, it would have been missed.

Thank you, thank you!

dude, you know tube sites don't make any serious money, they are not home runs by any means

and the more there are the worse it will get

Seems like you are the one not making any money, the worse it will get. LOL. People like you crack me up. You sit around complaining about how bad things are and you never adapt, you spend all your time and energy bitching and crying instead of changing to a changing market place. The more there are the worse it will get for dinosaurs yes.

I am going to jump ahead of all you fuckers!

I am developing a larger and better free content site, that offers four times the amount of free stuff any of these old-fashioned, flash-in-the-pan tube sites can ever deliver.

Just a two word hint for now: Cube Site

More soon....

weren't you the one trying to sell off your tube sites a few months ago?

what is your definition of adapt? give away full length videos to make doo doo?

you crack me up :2 cents:

There's lots of available tube traffic at ProTraffic. Low prices too!

ADAPT: [uh-dapt] ? verb, a-dapt; To spend one's time and resources developing a product for profit, while watching in amazement as your competitors distribute a very similar product at no charge.

Should I use it in a sentence?

So I wish sponsors always have more full length movies than tubes. Otherwise who wanna buy memberships if he can watch those movies on other tubes? LOL

Um no I was not trying to sell off my tube sites. Wrong person DUDE. You crack me up too. Your just pissed because your world is going down the toilet. So your reaction is to spend all day on GFY bitching about how tube sites are so evil. Not to mention how you think you know everything about tube sites cause you placed a banner add on one. What a joke you are dude.

If your gonna spam be a little more creative dude.

your assuming alot there bro

my world is not going down the toilet
i do not spend all day on gfy
i personally have never placed a banner add on one

sounds like you are the one that's on edge

fight for what you believe in, believe in what you fight for

i'll bump the thread where you were selling your tube sites (if i can find it)

Tube Sock: A one-size-fits-all sock, having a plain tubular shape rather than one designed to match the contours of the foot.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Oh yeah!

tube sites make money whenever people spend their whole day arguing about them on gfy instead of competing with them.

I wonder what will we call if illegal tubes using their own shot full length videos? Why not to call illegal tubes as free full length porn tubes? It's a game for rich people,so when u losing money like google's youtube,u wont ever running such sites! So noone makes money here,they just make money to pay bills. Anyone making big money from free full length porn tubes, u can work for google. They r richer than anyone of this board! lol

how the fuck do you come to that conclusion
you can't pirate dating (well you can but it called human trafficing :winkwink:)

well yes and no
that was a mainstream example that people can easily get their mind around

the key is the prespective you look at your content.

Figure out a way to make money, no matter who uses your content/ how they use it. Even if they don't pay you a dime directly you make money indirectly from their actions.

product placement is just one example of 16 we came up with.

Bias alert: those 16 are dependent on branding bugs. I am sure other people can figure out their own.

again, not talking about pirating it, just turning the table

right now one is profiting from the other

i'm saying switching that would make more sense and money

give away free cams and dating to sell memberships

does everything you do revolve around stealing?

Free porn allows you to make a larger percentage from a smaller total cash pool. That should not surprise anyone. It also should not surprise anyone that more free porn is needed to maintain your percentage while at the same time it contributes to the continued shrinkage of the overall cash pool.

yes, you can earn .000000001% of a smaller cash pool

you'll eventually earn .00000000001% of an even smaller cash pool

so you'll give more away and try to get back to what you used to earn which continues the spiraling whirlpool down the drain.


On the other hand, you could instead earn a slightly smaller percentage and contribute to increasing the size of the overall cash pool. Which over time means a larger, not smaller, earning capacity.

The problem is that there will always be people willing to sell off the future for fast cash now... and their shortsighted decisions affect the long term health of the market we are all in.

Hey, don't confuse everyone with logic. We are all quite content battling it out in the abstract.

Well remember, the comment he was replying to was made in jest....but, even if/when it comes to that, as I'm sure it will....we're not talking about a Tube producing ALL of it's content.
One of the features that attracts users to tubes is the ability to upload their own movies, so going 100% exclusive, even if possible, would be sub-optimal.
I was just pointing out that it's not out of the realm of possibility that tubes will commission shoots with girls wearing t-shirts, hats, panties, etc all with their logos, and feature these shoots prominently throughout the site.

A good quality exclusive shoot costs about 2K. From what I hear the bigger tubes are spending 6 figures a month on hosting, so the idea that they can't afford content is kind of silly.

Thanks for clearing that up. And here I thought BV was just talking out of his ass and had no idea what TGPs, Link Lists, or Tubes made because he's never owned one. I thought he was just assuming they made no or very little money because he doesn't understand them.

Thanks for proving me wrong.

Ok but you have to admit that there are huge differences between something like American Idol which has probably the biggest back end of any show in history, and something like porn which is produced for the explicit purpose of selling copies of the production.

Also, remember most of the people who post here don't own any content (exclusively...they own licenses but no content) and they're wondering how they fit into this future you envision, since all they've really been to this point is middle men standing between the person buying porn and the person selling it.

oops... my bad. :winkwink:

wal-mart didn't give a shit about destroying a huge section of their market then dominating it. neither do the companies that run the big tubes. they will wipe out most of the competition - legally - and go from there.

for so-called capitalists you sure do lots of whining and crying.

Videosz comes to mind here....

Please do, at one time I entertained making and selling tube sites, but at no time whatsoever did i try to "sell off my tube sites" nor would i sell them off now. They are making me a good profit

Videoz converts extremely well on tube sites.

Look bottom line as i see it mega sites and sub niches are always gonna get signups no matter what. The whole point of this thread is that you guys bitching about tubes does nothing whatsoever. They are here they are not going anwhere. If you can't beat them join them, like i said find other products to sell instead of generic porn site memberships. If memberships to porn sites are not selling promote other products. Use the videos to get surfers to your site where you can advertise other products, is it that too complicated to understand? Big tube sites are already doing this with dating and cams. Can they afford to buy content and still make a profit? HELL YES. Will this evolution still fund new shooting? HELL YES.

That's slightly BS..

You are saying all the sponsors cared about is $$$ and let webmasters do whatever they wanted as long as they brought in the cash... They only allowed special circumstances for BIG, bro/whale webmasters on the RARE occasion. NOTHING in comparison to what is being done with Illegal tubes.

Just like if you opened up a Tube site tomorrow and said HEY Brazzers, Twistys, etc.. Give me 1000 15 - 30 minute clips..

They'd laugh at you. But maybe if your traffic is gold and you are a bro they might give you 1 a week or 1 a month.. Etc.. Like they have been doing today with the really popular illegal tubes.

You also claim that the sites that give away MORE FREE CONTENT are converting better.

So why couldn't they afford their hosting bill if their sales were soo high?

The fact is these sites didn't exist.. Nobody was giving away free content willy nilly.. Like the Illegal tubes are.. Programs did not allow it..

Im not nor have I ever bitched about tubes. I was actually hinting that some big tubes push videosz so they must make $$$. I personally havent tried them yet but I do know that tubes push them amongst other products.

What are these "tubes" you speak of?