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MediaGuy 04-19-2009 06:28 PM
i didn't read the whole thread.

I just know that when TGPs came out, there was howling and yowling... and then TGPs became a sales tool.

Now the same pattern's repeating with tubes...

If a tube has 1% or 10% of a site's full-length content, people will still join sites to get more and more and more...

What sucks isn't Tubes. What sucks is P2P groups that get together and put a buck each a month into a pot and torrent all the content.

Tubes? Hah.

:D

BFT3K 04-19-2009 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15760591)
A good quality exclusive shoot costs about 2K. From what I hear the bigger tubes are spending 6 figures a month on hosting, so the idea that they can't afford content is kind of silly.
PornHub boasts over 15,000 clips.

At 2K p/scene that would cost more than $30,000,000 to film.

I'm just sayin....

Ron2k1 04-19-2009 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choker (Post 15760833)
It's all good man. I'm just saying that despite all the free movies on tube sites send a surfer to videoz from a tube site and the conversions are good. Mega sites and sub niche sites seem to do really good with tube traffic.
Aren't you making most of your money by selling it to other webmasters in stead of converting it yourself?

I do believe you can make money with tubes if you regulate it a bit, but giving away 30+ minutes clips is still crazy.

Also you are talking about legal tubes, but don't you think the illegal ones like tube8, empflix, pornhub etc do harm this business? You can't deny that...

klinton 04-20-2009 12:21 AM
it's against logic and common sense, i don't believe it :)

Paul Markham 04-20-2009 01:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choker (Post 15758383)
I make 10.3 cents per click from text links under full lenght movies, 2.5 from text links under 2 minute long movies. My figures are accurate and this is from hundreds of thousands of clicks over a 9 month period
Choker you obviously have an agenda so I suspect you're giving us a ton of BULLSHIT.

Yes a mega ton of it.

If you want to prove which one of us is right, hit me up on ICQ and I will give you a full length movie you can run on your Tube site of one you know. Just put a coded link under the full length clip so we can see the results. You can choose the clip. It can be exclusive.

Now you can say my stuff is crap, but for years I've been told it's also saturated. You don't saturate crap content because people stop buying it. Only good producers are bought over and over again in a major niche, to "saturate" content.

Thrown down the gauntlet and it will be at 70% rev share which will be great at such a great conversion rate. Any Tube site can pick it up.

What's the odds????

To be honest have not read all the thread because it was getting boring after the first page.

Paul Markham 04-20-2009 02:03 AM
I just ICQed Choker, let's see if he takes my offer.

What are the odds?

bbobby86 04-20-2009 02:39 AM
i don`t know what to say...

Snake Doctor 04-20-2009 06:11 AM
Bwahahahahahahahahha.

It's all over once Paul Marham enters the thread. He's going to "educate" all of us now.

Not a very clever way to try and get some traffic for yourself there idiot.

Thing is, I couldn't sell that shit you're slinging to someone who has never seen porn before, much less anyone who has seen decent porn.

A true test for the sake of testing would have been 100% revshare, not 70%. Besides, Choker (or anyone else with a decent amount of traffic) will look at your site and know off the bat it won't convert or retain.

Also, I can't ever recall ANYONE with half a brain saying your stuff was saturated. We said non exclusive in general was oversaturated, just because 100 or 1000 paysites had it instead of just one....something you always took exception to (because you were trying to sell content), but I've never heard anyone with an IQ over 100 say "That Paul Markham stuff is everywhere, it's so saturated"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

nation-x 04-20-2009 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choker (Post 15758340)
All these tube hating threads are getting so old. All the ideas thrown around about how to destroy them, etc I mean come on guys. Tube sites are making a killing. After almost a year of research I have discovered why surfers that are given so much free porn still sign up and buy a membership. The people who are saying that tube sites traffic is garbage and the surfer never buys anything are the same people who are being laughed at by the big program owners that are buying up every available spot on tube sites.

As webmasters we surf the internet paying close attention to sites designs, methods, etc. For us it's a job. We cannot surf the internet without our webmaster hats on. It's impossible. We forget that most people surf the internet with 90% of their brain turned off.

Surfers are dumb as fuck. They dont pay attention to text much anymore, they are like 4 year olds. Give them a picture book they will spend hours looking at the pics. Give them a text book they lose interest in 5 seconds. Surfers are the same way.

The big programs found a long time ago that putting their full length movies on tube sites and linking to their paysite from it converted surfers. No logic in this right? I mean why the fuck would a surfer pay for a movie he gets for free? 2 reasons

1. People are collecters. They love to collect. The average surfer does not know how to download a flv movie to his computer.

2. Surfers are stupid. When they see a 2 minute clip on a tube site and you got 100 text links around the movie saying "This is a sample clip from the full length movie you can download by clicking here" they still dont see those 100 text links. They think that paysite only has 2 minute movies inside it and they sure as hell are not going to pay for access to two minute movies.

Believe me or not I dont care. I've done my research well on this. Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.
This post makes alot of sense... that said... I am still not cool with tube sites that steal content... but you are 100% correct... most surfers are so fucking dumb that if they had to read text to tell them they should breathe they would suffocate.

Choker 04-20-2009 06:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron2k1 (Post 15762000)
Aren't you making most of your money by selling it to other webmasters in stead of converting it yourself?

I do believe you can make money with tubes if you regulate it a bit, but giving away 30+ minutes clips is still crazy.

Also you are talking about legal tubes, but don't you think the illegal ones like tube8, empflix, pornhub etc do harm this business? You can't deny that...
I designed my tube sites to generate traffic to sell to other tube sites yes. I put a text link under the movie player that says Click here to download this video in hi def. I had extra space under the movie so I did it as a after thought. Didnt even check the stats from clicks to it until i noticed the sponsors checks coming in and then i was like WTF. I'm rethinking my strategy now.

$5 submissions 04-20-2009 06:49 AM
Good points, Choker. But the true hardcore collectors probably get their stuff from 2 sites that are 10000000 times worse than tubes--megaupload and rapidshare. Those sites are DMCA-protected and, judging from the bigger user forums out there, host multiple mirror versions of sites' full video collections.

Also, I find it disturbing that many searches for adult content show user forums ranking higher on a growing number of performer name-based search terms than legit sales pages (galleries, etc). Disturbing trend...

Choker 04-20-2009 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15762151)
I just ICQed Choker, let's see if he takes my offer.

What are the odds?
About none.

fuzebox 04-20-2009 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris (Post 15761348)
one of the tube guys on gfy gets it at $3 a mbps
There's companies that will give $2.50 per meg all day long...

kowalsky 04-20-2009 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoo (Post 15758371)
sponsors: Spam me with hosted full length movies
lol

....

BV 04-20-2009 09:48 AM
This thread is a fucking joke.

Full length clips increase sales. lol

How fucking stupid do u have to be to believe that?

hahaha

Choker 04-20-2009 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV (Post 15763410)
This thread is a fucking joke.

Full length clips increase sales. lol

How fucking stupid do u have to be to believe that?

hahaha
I just looked at your sites, now I understand why you are such a miserable person

FrozenJag 04-20-2009 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 15758568)
Are you really suggesting ppl should go full length movies and they are better off doing this than limited content. I don't believe that for one second. If it is true, its because either a significant amount of ppl click less, or theres something about the product you are selling them that you arent revealing in this thread, but in an environment where sponsors are giving out videos and then trying to upsell them to the paysite the video is from, there is absolutely no way you are better off giving them the full length. In fact, the most illegal of the tube sites, are the ones with the worst conversions and the highest turnover of ad spots!

And contrary to popular belief, tube sites arent printing money hand over fist. So much of it is predicated on cost and insanely low bandwidth prices, another critical point is the prepaid market which lately has been pulling back in a big way. Any successful tube site owner will tell you there will be months of loss before you ever turn a profit, if you even turn a profit. A little traffic = lots of bandwidth costs.

Your full length argument from big programs is RIDICULOUS. Ask eric from removeyourcontent - every single big program has limitations on time limit of what can and cannot be listed! Some of these companies even have in house counsel constantly enforcing to ensure of this... you really need to watch the message you are sending out, cause promoting the encouragement of sponsors giving full length videos is fucking ridiculous. All you're doing is inspiring more illegal tubes and piracy to pop up because not one big program sponsor will ever allow it. The big programs I specifically reference are brazzers, rk, bang, naughty america, etc - perhaps you can tell me the big programs you are talking about? brazzers is involved with pornhub, we all know this, why does pornhub only list brazzers clips in 3 minute sittings and have been doing this since it started... full length clips = more traffic = more bw costs = worst conversions. The more you give away, the less they need to buy, and the more quality you give away, the less they buy.

Well said...

Dont forget the more full length tubes there are the more content choker can sell. :winkwink:

Choker 04-20-2009 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenJag (Post 15763504)
Well said...

Dont forget the more full length tubes there are the more content choker can sell. :winkwink:
I'm not pushing to sell content, I even removed my sig.

CaptainHowdy 04-20-2009 10:53 AM
HOURS of hosted flvs for everyone to use on my sig...

halfpint 04-20-2009 10:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 15763705)
HOURS of hosted flvs for everyone to use on my sig...
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BV 04-20-2009 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choker (Post 15763502)
I just looked at your sites, now I understand why you are such a miserable person
my sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice :thumbsup way to go....

You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha

You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.

And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.

PS:
I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.

And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!

Zero upsells anywhere.

Almost no one can say that.

I will survive.

pornguy 04-20-2009 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=Paolo;15758796]
Quote:
The fact that the industry is almost forcing it upon the consumer from WITHIN the industry is the issue.

Now go back a few years. What were your earnings per click for your simple sites? MGP, TGP, blogs, galleries, etc./QUOTE]


Not forcing...... If you had a tgp that was devoted to a niche and you promoted that niche with teaser traffic not 10 minutes clips where a guy can jerk 5 times in that amount of time.... it works well.. I had many accounts that did over 10 cents a click 2 years ago and many more 3 years ago. I had accounts that were doing 15 cents 18 cents a click easy, so I think this should be pointed out.

Niche tgps should promote true to your niche and you will see high click revenue... Remember how chocker speaks.. you want to base your revenue by how much you make by the click. Do your niche well and customers will reward you..

Make 15 dollars on 100 clicks well you just made 15 cents per click before rebills.. Thats not too bad and we had many many people doing that just a few years ago... Now some went to tubes and are doing less then half based on the hype they heard.... I hear them bitching all the time that they did not make as much as they did in 2005 and 2006 or even 2007.

Anyways my 2 cents from selling over $50 million in niche sites the last 10 years.

Cheers


I recall a day when you could throw up a BANNER and convert sales at 1:200 or less, Then came the tgp's and then MGP's and other free stuff and the banners were not so easy any more. to the point that we DONT really use banners that much for surfers any longer.

BUt things change. Just like the Print magazines are online now days.

halfpint 04-20-2009 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV (Post 15763733)
my sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice :thumbsup way to go....

You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha

You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.

And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.

PS:
I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.

And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!

Zero upsells anywhere.

Almost no one can say that.

I will survive.
BV why dont you use the illegal tubes to your advantage. If they are using stolen content then wtf wont you use them right back. Use thier traffic resources to put surfers infront of your sites even if they dont convert at least you are "fighting back in the google search rankings" even if you take 200 surfers a day away at least they are surfing your sites and not the tubes that you hate so much :2 cents:

Roald 04-20-2009 11:19 AM
http://www.thesextubesite.com/channels/naughty_america

Naughty America might not know about your logic Choker, maybe contact them? You are losing out posting all those 2 minute videos man!!!

PS: Shap is gone be on your ass with a domain like that ;)))

BV 04-20-2009 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 15763779)
BV why dont you use the illegal tubes to your advantage. If they are using stolen content then wtf wont you use them right back. Use thier traffic resources to put surfers infront of your sites even if they dont convert at least you are "fighting back in the google search rankings" even if you take 200 surfers a day away at least they are surfing your sites and not the tubes that you hate so much :2 cents:
I just can't stomach it yet. I'm not the "if you can't beat them join them type" :(

PornNewz 04-20-2009 11:28 AM
This thread is hilarious. The only reason people like Choker sell traffic is because it isn't worth a shit. If it was, he wouldn't sell it.

crockett 04-20-2009 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choker (Post 15758383)
I make 10.3 cents per click from text links under full lenght movies, 2.5 from text links under 2 minute long movies. My figures are accurate and this is from hundreds of thousands of clicks over a 9 month period
Wait a min, is this not the same Choker whom 6 months ago claimed that tube sites were great for selling everything but porn memberships. Now all of the sudden they are good for selling membership..

:1orglaugh

Sounds more like it's your usual every six month infomercial drama post looking for more business.. Lets not forget Choker sells traffic and content for tubes sites so he has a vested interest in claiming tube sites are great and all. Hence the reason he's pushing "full" length videos..

To claim tube sites were anything but great would be bad for Chokers biz.. Think about it, if it were an affiliate claiming this or a program owner then it would be a different story. :error

All you have to do is dig out his last post from 6 months ago to see he said then that tube sites suck for selling porn.. :2 cents:

lol now all of the sudden they are great.. :1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 04-20-2009 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PornNewz (Post 15763858)
This thread is hilarious. The only reason people like Choker sell traffic is because it isn't worth a shit. If it was, he wouldn't sell it.
Yeah, fucking right. :thumbsup

Same thing goes for those idiots at google. If their traffic was worth a shit they wouldn't be selling it either. :helpme

halfpint 04-20-2009 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV (Post 15763833)
I just can't stomach it yet. I'm not the "if you can't beat them join them type" :(
I know what you mean but it seems that the most of the big affiliates are using them to their advantage I personally dont think tube sites are going to go anywhere I think they will evolve, and to be honest If I owned a program I would fight my ass to keep it afloat even if it meant using the tubes. They are the ones laughing at the people who are taking a big dip in sales and traffic while they make money and bring in surfers. They dont care about your biz why should you care about theirs..Use them right the fuck back. Whatever road you decide to take I wish you all the best

PornNewz 04-20-2009 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15763920)
Yeah, fucking right. :thumbsup

Same thing goes for those idiots at google. If their traffic was worth a shit they wouldn't be selling it either. :helpme
Nah, no comparison between the 2, but nice try. :1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 04-20-2009 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV (Post 15763733)
You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.
THIS is the real problem most people have with tubes.

They're not fucking up "the market", they're fucking up your personal business.

But why should they care? Why would the owner of a business give a flying fuck how his business negatively affects his competition?

You can say "oh well they'd make 10 times as much if they didn't give thus and so away", but that's not true.
They wouldn't have the amount of traffic they do, not even 1/10th of the traffic they do, if they had just started another TGP or MGP.

So they came in with a new business model, stole a shit pot full of your traffic and sales, and now you're all boo hooing and trying to play the morality card or some shit....instead of admitting that you just got lazy, set in your ways, and got beat.

Now you can get with the times and survive, or you can keep crying about how great things used to be before the big bad tubes moved your cheese, and starve.

It's your dime.

pimpdaddysammy 04-20-2009 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenJag (Post 15763504)
Well said...

Dont forget the more full length tubes there are the more content choker can sell. :winkwink:
i was waiting for hater of the year to show up... :321GFY

Choker 04-20-2009 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 15763873)
Wait a min, is this not the same Choker whom 6 months ago claimed that tube sites were great for selling everything but porn memberships. Now all of the sudden they are good for selling membership..

:1orglaugh

Sounds more like it's your usual every six month infomercial drama post looking for more business.. Lets not forget Choker sells traffic and content for tubes sites so he has a vested interest in claiming tube sites are great and all. Hence the reason he's pushing "full" length videos..

To claim tube sites were anything but great would be bad for Chokers biz.. Think about it, if it were an affiliate claiming this or a program owner then it would be a different story. :error

All you have to do is dig out his last post from 6 months ago to see he said then that tube sites suck for selling porn.. :2 cents:

lol now all of the sudden they are great.. :1orglaugh
Yep I did. I was wrong.

Choker 04-20-2009 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PornNewz (Post 15763858)
This thread is hilarious. The only reason people like Choker sell traffic is because it isn't worth a shit. If it was, he wouldn't sell it.
You are a idiot. Your post proves that. So everyone that sales add spots on their sites if their traffic was so good they wouldn't sell it right? ANYONE who says "If a traffic sellers traffic was good he would not sell it" is a complete idiot. Just another example of uninformed , think they know everything but know very little wanabes.

Choker 04-20-2009 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV (Post 15763733)
my sites convert fine, ( i can prove it)
my traffic is way down because you have fucked things up with sites like yours: http://www.thesextubesite.com/ (nice trades in there. your trades are trading with the stolen video tubes) i'm sure you know that though. Nice :thumbsup way to go....

You alone have fucked a good percent of this market up. I hope your fucking happy. It was so easy for you to infect and introduce the TGP/MGP surfers to SEXTUBES, hahaha

You may be a winner but for every dollar you make someone else has lost 100.

And watch out for Shap, he wants your sextube! or he did. How did that go over anyways? Fill us in.

PS:
I'd be happy to post screen shots and conversion ratios to show you that my sites convert between 1:50 & 1:500 from most affiliates.

And that's first page unique clicks! with full price membership and no trial!

Zero upsells anywhere.

Almost no one can say that.

I will survive.
Your doing so good you can spend 5 hours a day on GFY bitching about how tube sites are destroying your life right? LOL. You are entertaining I'll give you that.

Choker 04-20-2009 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PornNewz (Post 15763935)
Nah, no comparison between the 2, but nice try. :1orglaugh
If the huns traffic is so good why doesnt he only list his own galleries?, why does ANY site sell traffic, banner spots, links or anything for that matter? Again you are a idiot talking about things beyond your understanding.

BV 04-20-2009 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15763960)
THIS is the real problem most people have with tubes.

They're not fucking up "the market", they're fucking up your personal business.

But why should they care? Why would the owner of a business give a flying fuck how his business negatively affects his competition?

You can say "oh well they'd make 10 times as much if they didn't give thus and so away", but that's not true.
They wouldn't have the amount of traffic they do, not even 1/10th of the traffic they do, if they had just started another TGP or MGP.

So they came in with a new business model, stole a shit pot full of your traffic and sales, and now you're all boo hooing and trying to play the morality card or some shit....instead of admitting that you just got lazy, set in your ways, and got beat.

Now you can get with the times and survive, or you can keep crying about how great things used to be before the big bad tubes moved your cheese, and starve.

It's your dime.
yah maybe make a high def full length tube site with 50,000 clips

what a smart idea

Ozarkz 04-20-2009 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15761310)
Dude talking to you is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

You really and truly have no idea what you're talking about. When it comes to how things are today, or how things were 2, 5, and 8 years ago, you're clueless.

Sponsors don't control shit. They pay for joins. That's all.

They have always kowtowed to the wants and needs of the people who had the traffic.

Period.

There were some who refused to take TGP traffic at one time. Said they were ruining the industry by giving away free content. They even offered higher payouts to people with TGP2 traffic.
All of those sponsors are gone now.

The ones who are still around, are the ones who catered to the needs of the big traffic sites of the time.

As for the second part of your misguided statement.....I'm not the one who said "sites that give away MORE FREE CONTENT are converting better", that was Choker.
I don't have access to his numbers so I can't say one way or another.
You're a fucking moron. :2 cents: Some of us live in REALITY. Join us some time.

crockett 04-20-2009 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15763960)
THIS is the real problem most people have with tubes.

They're not fucking up "the market", they're fucking up your personal business.

But why should they care? Why would the owner of a business give a flying fuck how his business negatively affects his competition?

You can say "oh well they'd make 10 times as much if they didn't give thus and so away", but that's not true.
They wouldn't have the amount of traffic they do, not even 1/10th of the traffic they do, if they had just started another TGP or MGP.

So they came in with a new business model, stole a shit pot full of your traffic and sales, and now you're all boo hooing and trying to play the morality card or some shit....instead of admitting that you just got lazy, set in your ways, and got beat.

Now you can get with the times and survive, or you can keep crying about how great things used to be before the big bad tubes moved your cheese, and starve.

It's your dime.
You missed the point completely..

The other guy loses $100 because it's his content that is stolen and used to make the $1.

While Choker may not use stolen videos on his own sites, he sure as hell sells traffic to the illegal sites that do offer stolen videos. Meaning he makes the $1 while helping fuck over the other guy and costing him the $100.

Choker is part of the chain that is fucking this industry over and screwing us all. Traffic sellers like Choker destroyed the TGP/MGP traffic pool, now he's on to do the same for paysites.

Snake Doctor 04-20-2009 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PornNewz (Post 15763935)
Nah, no comparison between the 2, but nice try. :1orglaugh
Yeah, and definitely no comparison between Choker and The Hun, or Worldsex, or all of those other stupid sites trying to sell off their worthless traffic instead of converting it themselves.

As if we're supposed to somehow believe that traffic generation and marketing are two different things and being good at one doesn't make you good at the other.

Puh-leeeze. :helpme


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