I dont want you to do anything man, nor do i care, i simply made this post to try to enlighten people as to one of the ways tube sites make money, Every day I see the Tube site haters especially you posting non sense about tube sites, you have no idea how they make money but you think you do. FACT is that surfers still buy memberships even after they see the full length movie. If you dont believe I don't care, yeah it goes agaisnt all logic thus I offered my theory of why they do this. You are bitter that tube and torrent sites are taking away from your income, but hey buddy, welcome to the fucking internet. Adopt or die. I'm outa here good luck with whatever you do.

So by this thought process if I put a FULL sized movie on www.grindmycock.com they will like it and join. Hmmm, interesting.

I can assure you this is not a factor.

Past history disproves this easily. :2 cents:

You know this, you are in the MGP TGP business also right?

Hell, you can sell full length videos without any promo video at all. I still do it.

I'm sorry, most surfers are not as stupid as you think.

Sometimes money does not make any sense.

So no one sees a correlation between TGPs and Tubes??

:D

This last part is so wrong it displays the level of knowledge you have of this business.

Actually people have said it about my content, so that was your first mistake. But here's your biggest one and unlike you I will explain why you are wrong in the hope you learn. Yes I'm shooting for the stars but others might find it interest.

These are general prices for custom work and yes there are people who pay more and people who pay less. The prices are for a set and video

Solo girl = $300
Lesbian = $1,000
Hardcore BG = $2.000

In a major niche like Teens, Milf, Big Tits, etc there are anything from 1500 to 2,000+ sites. You can correct these numbers if you like.

The problem today and for a long time has been the customers are not signing up to sites after site, a months membership would mean most would join 12 sites a year. Some more and some less. And please don't tell me they sign up to 20 sites or more unless you have some logic to why. But the problem is their attention span, if the log in and download the entire site they will not be joining another for a long time. The business would not be in the state it is if they were.

So, these are the numbers you have to sell a scene to put it on 10% of the "Teen" sites on the Net. They would have to sell 200 times, or go on two hundred sites.

Solo Girl scene @ $40 x 200 = $8,000.

So why do custom shooters sell it for $300? Even 20 sales would make $800, which is about right.

Now if you sell is 200 times for $2 you still make $400, which is better than $300. And you still OWN the content. If you buy it for $2 you should expect it to be saturated.

So why do so many good shooters like Max Candy shoot custom?
Because non exclusive does not sell as well as people have been lying about for years. Be it me or a lot of others. The entire concept of "saturated" was sold to make affiliates think it was special. It's not.

As for Astral Blue converting and retaining I have absolutely no idea what you base your assumptions on. Maybe you could tell us. It does convert and it does retain. Because it appeals mostly to men over 40, they don't like Torrents, it's a unique mix they can't get anywhere else. If that's wrong some links to a site with 80s/90s videos shot in the UK would be nice.

The problem with this business is too many thought "exclusive" was the key and then produced the crap at cut prices that was on 100s of other sites. Now everyone is blaming Tubes, Torrent or what ever for the customers not buying. If the only avenue you have to sell is forcing customers to buy you are in the wrong.

100% rev share, will put it to Choker when he contacts me. Which is not likely. He was spamming his traffic and we all know that.

choker don't you mean adapt?
just wondering because you keep writing adopt every time

For the sake of full disclosure, I do not sell hosting.

I just have a cool host in my sig.


Paul, if you think I'm going to read that drivel you responded with you're nuts. You don't have anything to say that's worth hearing. I just couldn't stop laughing at your lame ass attempt to get Choker to promote you, so I responded to that.

Rest assured I make it a point to not read your posts whenever possible, so addressing them to me is a waste of your not-very-valuable time.

No one's gonna make any money on the web soon, tube or not, if credit cards dry up...

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/04/the-credit-card.html

I've already had friends tell me their banks are dropping their credit lines like crazy. One friend had a card that went from a line of over $20k down to $500!

dayumn this thread's got legs:thumbsup

2 Fitty Tubes:pimp

I said what you want cotdamn tube monster thread and it said bout two fiddy

Tube produce clicks, give away more (longer clips) = more clicks.
If you sell clicks then $$ go up.
If you sell memberships then $$$ go down..

However if that is the only traffic available then one has to learn to adapt or die.

my 2c

Early on I bet $2 this thread would hit 5K. Guess I'm gonna lose this one...

Here is my tips.

1. Get a tube script
2. Load it up with 50,000 sponsors approved clips
3. Let the search engines find it
4. SE traffic = gold - hence signups
5. No bandwidth costs as all videos are sponsors hosted

Im my views anyone that has to use full length movies to get sales has no advertising skill and taking the easy way out. I pitty you because this industry was built on advertising skills - you clearly have no skill choker.

Says the guy who makes a script.

I think you are full of shit too. Where's one of your sites that is under a great keyword first page?

And to think I was recomending your script to people, no more. LOL. Yeah I have no skill. So Tevs Tube script owner is saying officially that if you use full length videos you have no skill right? Great way to market your script. OMFG So lets put the word out that Tevs should only be used for sponsor hosted flvs, do not buy it for long movies, says the owner of the script.

personally i think you should just sell traffic to user submitted tube sites (what idiots call illegal tube sites) and be done with it.

Your getting grief for selling to "legal tube" sites with longer videos anyway, why waste money policing th tube site at all.

Wait till these fuckers see what I'm coming out with very soon. I've talked to a lot of very big program owners and they are all saying the same thing, sales are down 5% to 10% every quarter. They are all expanding into different areas including tubes while these haters sit around watching the world go by them. Notice how you dont see many big program owners posting on GFY anymore? Big sponsors are doing things they never thought they would have to do two years ago but they see the future and are adopting while the haters spend al lday on GFY bitching about how bad things are and looking for scapegoats for their failing busineses

i sale short fallopian tubes.

This post was so stupid, on so many levels, that I'm amazed you didn't pass out from having to type all those words.

FWIW, your script is a total piece of shit, and I know this because I bought a copy a long time ago.

I had to throw that whole site away and start over again with Konrad's script.

Why did you buy TEVS if you say it's a "toal piece of shit". All the functions are on the bigdotmedia.com website, including a demo site to play with before you buy. Are you dumb or something? Everyone can see this before buying a license or are you one of those guys that - READY - SHOOT - AIM ?

TEVS is not for everyone and there are many good tube scripts on the market now. Including Konrad's tube script which it's awesome.

Woow, if i wasnt to busy with the site in my signature (a tube both sponsors and surfers and webmasters like, and IS making EVERYBODY happy making money), i would read it all right now.

So many different opinions..

zorgman if you are a coder of any calibre you know that demo sites can't tell you what stress levels your code could handle.

Put it on a different server, and send a million hits to it at the same time, and all of a sudden a script that looks good in the demo is "total piece of shit"

Perfect, blame the customer when he doesn't like your product.

I guess your stupid fucking posts in this thread are my fault too?

Quoted from my website on the TEVS page

7Q. Can TEVS handle large traffic sites?
7A: From our tests, anything up to 100k a day is fine on a dedicated server (webair only tester). If you have a bigger traffic site than 100k, we suggest cutting code out for faster results. e.g; stats logs, tgp page, extra queries to speed up load times. Contact us if you have any questions regarding traffic loads.


Now sending a million hits a day is over our test, so might have been best to ask me before purchasing a license. That's just common sence.

Why on earth would you send 1 million hits a day to an out of the box product - that's just stupid.

Im not blaming anyone, but you have to use some brain power people. Come on!

Are you avoiding my question? Should we put the word out that people who use your script with full length videos are idiots and have no skills just like you posted in this thread? Yes or no Zorgman? Can't you answer a simple question, or are you too busy trying to get your foot out of your mouth?

You have to remember - this guy is selling tube traffic.

Duuh. Funny how everyone is bashing me cause i make a thread about how tubes make money and i sell tube traffic. Of course i make posts that better my own interests who the fuck doesnt? I don't see any cam site owners making posts saying ah man web cam sales are down so fucking bad but we are gonna do 75$ per signup for the next two weeks. No they say "Wow web cam sales are rocking and rolling guys. To celebrate we are giving out 75$ pps for a limited time only".

People who post here WITHOUT the purpose of furthering thier business need to get a life, get off this board and make some sites. Last time I checked this was a Adult Webmaster Board where people come together to do business.

I buy traffic from you. A decent bit. Your argument is 100% flawed.

If somebody downloads a CD from a torrent site, are they going to go to iTunes and pay to download the same CD they just got for free?

Hell, no!

Also, you have to factor in - what are people doing when they watch porn? They are jerking off. The more content you give out for free, the higher the chance they will blow a load and not pull out their credit card.

The quickest and most effective path to a sale, is less time on the middle-man's site.

:2 cents:

Your tube site sucks stfu. :1orglaugh

I know my argument is flawed, it makes no fucking sense whatsoever but there again this is what is happening man. Since i made this post i have been approached by over 10 big sponsors telling me all the same thing, yes we have found the exact same results but were afraid to tell anyone for fear of getting slammed like you are but here is a password download all our videos and get them online as fast as you can. Like I originally posted in this thread the reasons surfers still do it is the only theories I could come up with. Not saying the ratios of the ones that do this are high, but it's decent enough to make a tube site profitable.

Yeah, but 99% of tubes don't even link the paysite from the videos they are using, the only benefit they get is from watermark traffic.

So you have watermark traffic vs. direct link from banners of your competitors.

The people whoreing out their content will be the losers in the long run.

Hey xxxjay, you are making way too much sense to be posting in this thread.

No one wants to think about reality in here. Dumb it down man.

Good news though... looks like 5,000+ views no problem!

Don't thinks so, but who know , maybe that is tru ... :Oh crap

Which sponsors are giving away their full length clips?

Well then that's content theft/copyright infringement and is a totally different thing than what Choker is talking about here.

THIS is the main reason these discussions are so frustrating, because most of the time the people having the discussion are talking about two totally different things, and can't figure out why the other guy "just doesn't get it".

Free porn is free porn. It is the proliferation of free porn that is training surfers that there is never a need to pay for content. Free tube sites which are legal, free tube sites which are "illegal" - free tube sites that link back to a sponsor - free tube sites that do not - free tube sites that mask the watermark - free tube sites that leave the watermark... they are ALL FREE FUCKING PORN SITES THAT ARE REDUCING THE NEED FOR SURFERS TO PAY FOR PORN!

And before the same absurd comparisons are tossed about fro the millionth time - NO, free porn tubes are NOT the same as MGPs, or TGPs or torrents, etc - they are much MUCH more harmful by far, as they are not teaser clips designed to entice a sale, and they are much easier to access than torrents for the average surfer, so I will continue to say, tube sites suck shit. Some tube sites you might ask? No, ALL TUBE SITES SUCK SHIT!

That is all...

and when dr who comes by and offers you a ride in the tardis so you can go back in time where that point of view matter tell me.

Until then the genie is out of the bottle so you can deal with the situation or have the situation deal with you

Yes, I unfortunately agree with you. Many of the players in this biz have allowed this self-destructive marketing model to go too far, and it is now looking less and less likely that there is any way to stop the car before it reaches the edge of the cliff.

The big fish are gambling that they can outrun the small fish in this game, by destroying the market, in hopes that once the herd is thinned out they will be able to get back into the game with less competition.

Without a crystal ball it is impossible to know if there is any reality to this plan, or if they are simply blowing up the ENTIRE business, while killing off their own futures in the process.

The one thing that seems clear however, is that the largest players are causing the most harm, while the smaller guys THINK they have to play the same game to stay alive.

I do not believe this is true. If you want to chase cars as they fly over the cliff and into the abyss, then more power to you!

The idea that tube site X gets the most traffic because they give away more free content than tube site Y is somehow a business model worth emulating is a short-lived endeavor.

The porn world is a bubble, and it is quite tiny in comparison to mainstream. Advertising revenue based upon traffic to the largest tube sites is still limited to porn-related advertisers. You can never achieve so much traffic from porn that Nike or Ford will begin paying your hosting bills, so the small fish that large tubes are killing off, are the very same content producers and advertisers that the big fish actually require, if this business model was to actually continue - which is why it will not. It is only dog-eat-dog until you run out of dogs.

Doctor Who?