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Si	05-11-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 15843125)

no comment

what you said

GatorB

05-11-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 15842738)

The Canadians are proving that they have more sense than we do. Why should Canada have to grant entry to a person who is not financially responsible and potentially a burden --particularly for luxury reasons --such as vacations?

You're a tard. She went 100 miles. Since when is that a "luxury vacation"? I can go 400 miles and be in my same state I'm not counting that as "vacation". She went to fucking Canada not Florida. You know the place Canadians go on vacation.

baddog

05-11-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trixxxia (Post 15842870)

See, this is one of those stories where you know there's more to it than what it seems.
If they asked her what work she does and she answered she's on welfare - then asked her for her permanent address and she said she didn't have one - basically, with kids in tow, she doesn't have a reason to go back. No job, no place to stay - they would think of her as a suspicious traveller. Now if she didn't know the address of where she was staying either - then all of the red flags would be blazing.

I'm sure there's more to her story than her simple 'they discrimated against me because I'm on welfare'.

Of course. Canada got one right.

jigg	05-11-2009 07:17 PM

nothing out of the ordinary

when I used to visit the US from Eastern Europe US immigration required bank account statements of support. They had to see you have enough cash in the bank before even considering you for questioning let alone granting you a visa.

Mostly so you don't become a public charge

GatorB

05-11-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanker (Post 15843146)

I have to do this when I cross the border into
Canada. I am here on a work visa waiting for
my Permanent Resident Card.

If your entering the country they want to know
you can pay for yourself while your in the country
for more then a few days.

She was probably going for a week or more. What happens
when she gets to her families home and she
ends up running out of money? How is she going
to get home? Canada doesn't want to then
have to deal with her. Maybe she wont get back
in time and become an illegal alien.

I get told about shit like that from the border guards
every time I get pulled into immigration. I have seen
people have to get a bank receipt from the ATM to show
you have access to X amount of funds.

That's fucking gay. Now I've never been to Canada and I've never heard of this. So what if I planned a vacation and then at the border I get asked to provide my financials which I wouldn't have and is frankly none of thier business. I can't get to my hotel room that I paid for already? FUCK CANADA. I don't hear the UK or Australia doing this. Maybe the US should start asking Canadians if they have money.

baddog

05-11-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bausch (Post 15843009)

Hmm. I have money and I still wouldn't want to see or visit my family. I can't see why someone with no money would want to. In fact, you wouldn't be able to PAY ME in order to visit my family.

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15843225)

You guys would make a great couple as long as you promise not to breed.

LiveDose

05-11-2009 07:23 PM

I think that's awesome. The US should start doing the same thing. This place is becoming a fucking dump with all the riff raff coming in...

lulu36

05-11-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrChango (Post 15842844)

I think it is interesting that they require proof of financial support while doing border checks. We should do that on our border to the...oh, wait, our border is porous like pumice stone, it wouldn't accomplish shit because everyone is already hot-footing it across without permission

LMAO porous like pumice stone...

no one seems to have all the facts. who's to say her family didn't pay or the vacation? its still a free world we live in. if someone wants to spend their welfare check on a vacation that's their right. may not be smart but it is still their right.

baddog

05-11-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lulu36 (Post 15843254)

if someone wants to spend their welfare check on a vacation that's their right.

Why is that? Why the hell should my tax dollars be spent on a vacation?

After Shock Media

05-11-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lulu36 (Post 15843254)

Situation aside which I have views for both sides. When did it become a free world we live in? Pretty damn sure I never got that memo.

sortie

05-11-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15842717)

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...nt_kept_o.html

OWOSSO, Mich. -- A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.

Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.

The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.

Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare?

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Now ask yourself if you can put a price tag on a civil right and have it still be a right or
even civil. :1orglaugh

If it's only right if you have the right amount of money then that's capitalism which
has nothing at all to do with civil rights.

Hint : It will not be a "capital rights" law suit that she will win when she wins.

baddog

05-11-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie (Post 15843264)

Any right to travel would only be valid in the traveler's native country. No one can tell another country what they can and can not do as far as letting people in their borders.

blazin

05-12-2009 12:21 AM

FACT: If you are going to any 1st world country from a 3rd world country you have to prove that you can afford to take care of yourself there.

just a punk

05-12-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15842717)

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare

Sounds very reasonable. I believe Canada like any other country has enough its own beggars, so why allow to let in the another one?

GregE

05-12-2009 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blazin (Post 15843684)

FACT: If you are going to any 1st world country from a 3rd world country you have to prove that you can afford to take care of yourself there.

Yeah, right :1orglaugh

voa	05-12-2009 02:30 AM

That is so unfair

Pleasurepays

05-12-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by voa (Post 15843820)

That is so unfair

what does "fair" mean? that's a pretty subjective idea. anything that is "fair" to you, will certainly seem unfair to someone else.

life is unfair. life is not by design, intended to be fair. you can't make life fair. if life could be fair, there would be no need to work, no need for political parties, no different forms of government or economies or wars. we would all just be sitting in a park catching butterflies and petting retarded kids on the head.

Fletch XXX

05-12-2009 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15842717)

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

you make it sound like she flew around the world on first class...

SHE CROSSED A LOCAL BRIDGE, not spent thousands on airplane fare lol

So if I cross the bridge to go to new orleans, this is equivalent of "taking a trip?" lol

people pay thousands to come here, but I just gotta drive 2 mins, that means vacation? no.

fusionx

05-12-2009 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15842857)

I have never heard of border guards anywhere asking for proof of financial support. Surprising...

Really? Try going anywhere in Latin America.

For example, people coming from Colombia to Panama have to have $500 US in cash, or a valid credit card with at least $500 available.

Most countries require proof of income - they don't want the homeless and others showing up to take advantage of better social service programs, etc..

escorpio

05-12-2009 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 15843264)

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Did you learn this from an Ice Cube video?

LiveDose

05-12-2009 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 15844262)

Did you learn this from an Ice Cube video?

Haha...:thumbsup

The right to travel is a civil right? Tell that to people in Cuba or North Korea...

pornguy

05-12-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15842733)

LOL.

Look... I'm all for ending this cyclical welfare state, but crossing a border to visit family or friends is not a luxury. Yeh, she doesn't "need" to do it... but we don't know the full story either. Perhaps her family paid for the trip? Perhaps she saved up a little money here and there so her kids could visit their grandparents?

Who knows. Unless Canada is deathly afraid of Americans migrating north to get more free benefits, denying someone entrance because they receive financial benefits in their home country is stretching it.

Thats the thing. She would be spending Money give to her by the US tax payers in another country. This is a Damned if you do, and damned if you dont thing.

Vicious_B

05-12-2009 07:54 AM

I have to agree with all of those who said that there has to be way more to this story than what has been disclosed so far.

Being on welfare doesn't automatically mean you are recieving cash benefits.
You can have a job and still be on welfare, and no one knows the circumstances leading up to her being on welfare.
No one knows why she was travelling to Canada. If it was a case of a wedding, funeral, illness ect and her family paid for her to come. Or it may be her parents are elderly and wanted to see their granchildren.
No one knows if she got belligerent at the border and refused to cooperate with their questions.

There are too many unknown factors at this point to say whether or not she was kept from entering the country unfairly.

CDSmith

05-12-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15843236)

That's fucking gay. Now I've never been to Canada and I've never heard of this. So what if I planned a vacation and then at the border I get asked to provide my financials which I wouldn't have and is frankly none of thier business. I can't get to my hotel room that I paid for already? FUCK CANADA. I don't hear the UK or Australia doing this. Maybe the US should start asking Canadians if they have money.

They do, and have been for as long as I can remember. The last time I drove down to the states alone in my vehicle the US customs guy asked me how much money I had with me and how much I had access to, what I do for a living, how long I'd be staying in the US and specifically where I was headed and who I was going to visit.

However, as I said this is the first time I've heard of anyone travelling in either direction being turned away because they're on welfare.

CDSmith

05-12-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15844082)

you make it sound like she flew around the world on first class...

No, I don't "make it sound" like anything. I was merely putting forth one school of thought on this issue for the sake of conversation. Nowhere did I state that this is my official opinion.

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15844082)

SHE CROSSED A LOCAL BRIDGE, not spent thousands on airplane fare lol

So if I cross the bridge to go to new orleans, this is equivalent of "taking a trip?" lol

people pay thousands to come here, but I just gotta drive 2 mins, that means vacation? no.

The objection some people have is that she's drawing welfare, money provided her by the government which ultimately comes out of the people's pocket, YOUR pocket, and she's taking that money and spending it in another country.

And it's a valid concern. Doesn't matter if that country is 200 yards down the road and over a bridge or across an ocean.

CDSmith

05-12-2009 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie (Post 15843264)

Next time you travel across any border into another country try telling the border guards or customs officials that.

"It's my CIVIL RIGHT to travel into your country!!" (even though you only have five bucks to your name)

See how far that gets you. :D

Pleasurepays

05-12-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15844082)

are you suggesting New Orleans is a foreign country with its own entry requirements? that might be the confusion is on your part... you see... poverty is not a badge to be worn with pride or something to be celebrated.

fris	05-12-2009 10:42 AM

its not because shes on welfare its becasuse the amount of money she had/has with her, if you are going into another country and have no money, what are you going to do? I know whenever i go into america they sometimes ask how much money I have with me, what my job is.

who	05-12-2009 10:45 AM

Totally on Canada's side here.

SmokeyTheBear

05-12-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele (Post 15844384)

I have to agree with all of those who said that there has to be way more to this story than what has been disclosed so far.

there isn't , its a standard question. Border guards on both sides are pretty much dicks, if you dont answer how they want , you dont get in. Go sit by the customs booth in an airport, happens every few minutes in a busy airport.

I once argued with a border guard for hours who insisted i wasn't an american because i didnt have my passport.

Try going from canada to usa thru washington and tell them you are helping a friend move. LOL, you won't get across , rich or poor, priest or pimp, you are "taking a job from an american"

I cant think of very many countries you could gain entry to with her criteria, "here to visit friends , i have no money and am on welfare"

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele (Post 15844384)

There are too many unknown factors at this point to say whether or not she was kept from entering the country unfairly.

"unfairly" would be pretty subjective.

Some might say it would be "UNFAIR" to keep out people with yellow hats.

But if it's not your country and they have a rule about people with yellow hats , it could hardly be unfair. especially if your own country has the same exact rules ?

SmokeyTheBear

05-12-2009 11:09 AM

on an interesting sidenote, they aren't just dicks to broke americans

mexicans denied entry for "looking poor"
http://mostlywater.org/vancouver_mex...look ing_poor

SmokeyTheBear

05-12-2009 11:27 AM

and this one more to the point

Canadian denied entry to usa trade show
------------
A B.C. sales representative who markets equestrian products in Canada was barred from crossing the U.S. border to attend a trade show last month by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer who accused him of trying to steal American jobs.

Borsteinas said he was then fingerprinted and sent back into Canada. The border officer warned him if he tried to enter the U.S. on business again, he should expect to be prosecuted.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ectionism.html

theking

05-12-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15842717)

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...nt_kept_o.html

OWOSSO, Mich. -- A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.

Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.

The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.

Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.

Didn't it used to be and may still be a fact that to cross into Canada from the U.S. that one had to have X amount of cash upon their person,

jollyperv

05-12-2009 11:30 AM

Try being in a band and getting across the canadian border...fucking NIGHTMARE

CDSmith

05-12-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 15845163)

Didn't it used to be and may still be a fact that to cross into Canada from the U.S. that one had to have X amount of cash upon their person,

Not that I've ever heard or known about. What border guards have done and often still do is ask you how MUCH money you're carrying, along with how long you plan to visit, where or with whom you'll be visiting, for what purpose, etc.

They do want to know how much cash you have or have access to, but no, I've never known of any clear rule that says there's a minimum amount you have to have on you.

Each case is subjective though.

Trixxxia

05-12-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15845179)

Never heard of that either - the only thing I do know is that you can't have more than the equivalent of 10k cash and that's for money laundering reasons

CDSmith

05-12-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 15845157)

He's screwed now.

Everytime he tries to even cross the border with his family to take them to Disney world, 6 flags, Vegas, or even a shopping spree they're going to scrutinize him inside and out to make sure he's not going to be there for business.

He's obviously in the wrong business. :D

theking

05-12-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 15845179)

The reason I asked is because more than one person I have known claimed that they were denied entry because they did not have enough money on their person...thus I assumed that X amount was required for entry. I know one person that claimed he was denied entry to enter Canada from Washington state to visit a girl that he knew in Penticton (probably not the correct spelling)...which I think was only fifty miles or so into Canada...not because he didn't have enough money on his person...but was told that it was to late of an hour to be visiting.

fuzebox

05-12-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15842733)

Unless Canada is deathly afraid of Americans migrating north to get more free benefits

Err Canada is globally famous for the free ride they give the poor and disadvantaged...

fuzebox

05-12-2009 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15842857)

I have never heard of border guards anywhere asking for proof of financial support. Surprising...

I get asked almost every time when entering the USA how I "intend to support myself while in the country". Sometimes they want proof (yes while standing there in line at customs in the airport). We actually travel with bank statements printed out to avoid the hassle.

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