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05-12-2009, 08:38 PM

All i can say is that jj abrams need to be flogged, if you are going to change star trek so much you should have just done a different star trekish movie.

That whole we can get away with all the changes because of the temporal paradox thing doesn't work given the starship relativity (from ST:V) and the temporal police (ST:E)

both of which would have attempted to fix the timestream and put everything back on course.

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05-12-2009, 08:51 PM

I watch startrek pretty much everyday. over the last 9 years for sure. probably took a break in college I did when I was growing up. as a kid I used to watch the original rerun in nyc and then in phili. so I'm a trekie if I like to admit it or not. And I have to also admit I wasnt to excited about this movie cause I was afraid they were going to ruin it and make some action film. I cant agree with you. The movie was outstanding. better than the last 3 starwars movies. probably better than the last 4 starwards movies. the best of all the startrek series. I liked the cast even more than the original. so thats my take.

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05-12-2009, 08:57 PM

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I watch startrek pretty much everyday. over the last 9 years for sure. probably took a break in college I did when I was growing up. as a kid I used to watch the original rerun in nyc and then in phili. so I'm a trekie if I like to admit it or not. And I have to also admit I wasnt to excited about this movie cause I was afraid they were going to ruin it and make some action film. I cant agree with you. The movie was outstanding. better than the last 3 starwars movies. probably better than the last 4 starwards movies. the best of all the startrek series. I liked the cast even more than the original. so thats my take.

I don't think it was any better than the first original starwars movies but it is by far the best thing that has ever happened to star trek. This was actually like a real movie instead a really long episode of star trek. Fucking sweet, loved it, of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and i respect that.
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05-12-2009, 08:58 PM

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05-12-2009, 09:00 PM

im gonna check it out tomorrow for sure
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05-12-2009, 09:04 PM

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05-12-2009, 09:06 PM

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05-12-2009, 09:18 PM

I thought the new Star Trek Movie was excellent.

I have always been a sci-fi fan, and time-travel stories really tweaked my interest. If anyone ever wants to get into discussions about paradoxes with me, I'll make you cry. (How Many Deloreans are there in Back to the Future 1955? If you say anything else but 5 Deloreans, you are WRONG!).

Yes Star Trek has done lots of Time Travel stuff and many times they got it wrong, even according to their own bible (In Star Trek 4 for example, they Warped towards the sub to slingshot back in time - what they should have done is go faster than the speed of light WITHOUT going into warp to acomplish this, but hey - its still a fun movie).

Anyway, the latest Star Trek movie did a GREAT JOB of introducing the old characters with the new cast, AND, they managed to open up Star Trek to a universe of new ideas thanks to the new timeline. Maybe someday some movie or TV episode will address the whole Temporal police thing, or smush the 2 timelines together, or not... !

There is a GREAT episode of Star Trek: Enterprise which follows an alternate universe of the enterprise crew meeting the tholians who have stolen a Starship Enterprise from OUR universe. It's extremely interesting (and sexy too) and ends on a very surprising note - which is to say - no end. It just.. continues! Just like the new Trek movie, it was very well done and does a good job of presenting the alternate reality.

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05-12-2009, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by aniloscash

I watch startrek pretty much everyday. over the last 9 years for sure. probably took a break in college I did when I was growing up. as a kid I used to watch the original rerun in nyc and then in phili. so I'm a trekie if I like to admit it or not. And I have to also admit I wasnt to excited about this movie cause I was afraid they were going to ruin it and make some action film. I cant agree with you. The movie was outstanding. better than the last 3 starwars movies. probably better than the last 4 starwards movies. the best of all the startrek series. I liked the cast even more than the original. so thats my take.

Im also a big Star Trek Fan. No im not a nerd Trekie but Im a huge fan of Star Trek.
I agree with you. This was a great movie.

This movie actually puts the old series and old movies in a better and more interesting light. My wife who could care less about Star Trek loved it. Pretty impressive.

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05-12-2009, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by aniloscash

I watch startrek pretty much everyday. over the last 9 years for sure. probably took a break in college I did when I was growing up. as a kid I used to watch the original rerun in nyc and then in phili. so I'm a trekie if I like to admit it or not. And I have to also admit I wasnt to excited about this movie cause I was afraid they were going to ruin it and make some action film. I cant agree with you. The movie was outstanding. better than the last 3 starwars movies. probably better than the last 4 starwards movies. the best of all the startrek series. I liked the cast even more than the original. so thats my take.

i didn't like it there were to many massive changes to the characters

spook meets up with jim at the academy (he served as the first officer under pike originally)

he never went to the vulcan academy of science

vulcan was destroyed

captain pike gets crippled on the first run on the enterprise.

and worst of all they turned kirk from a billiant stragetist who solved the unwillable simulation(Kobayashi Maru) into a punk kid who took the test 3 times and finally just cheated.

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05-12-2009, 11:23 PM

time travel

this has as much validity as anything serious science fiction writers and fans concoct.

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05-12-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

and worst of all they turned kirk from a billiant stragetist who solved the unwillable simulation(Kobayashi Maru) into a punk kid who took the test 3 times and finally just cheated.

Well apparently you don't know shit about Star Trek, at least not enough to have the supposed "change" in the characters to bother you.

Captain Kirk DID cheat after several failed attempts and admitted it in the Wrath of Kahn.

Besides, you probably didn't pay to see it so your opinion doesn't much matter. Be kind of like asking a thief how he liked your house after he robbed it... it just doesn't fucking matter.

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05-12-2009, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

All i can say is that jj abrams need to be flogged, if you are going to change star trek so much you should have just done a different star trekish movie.

That whole we can get away with all the changes because of the temporal paradox thing doesn't work given the starship relativity (from ST:V) and the temporal police (ST:E)

both of which would have attempted to fix the timestream and put everything back on course.

Yes but those came about after the re-invention/new timestream presented in the first five minutes of the new Star Trek.

I think their use of the time paradox to by-pass all that stuff, and create a TOS redux of the creation of the real Trek crew only served to create a new Mythology that doesn't betray the old, and introduces a karass-like concept of the inevitability of their destiny together.

And it was fun.

For the Karass concept, read or Google Kurt Vonnegut and Cat's Cradle.

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05-13-2009, 01:28 AM

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05-13-2009, 01:36 AM

I like Star Trek and liked the new movie, and loved the Star Trek Experience here in Vegas... but fuck, some of you guys sounds like some serious nerds in here arguing over this stuff.
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05-13-2009, 02:16 AM

I love that movie
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05-13-2009, 04:44 AM

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I like Star Trek and liked the new movie, and loved the Star Trek Experience here in Vegas... but fuck, some of you guys sounds like some serious nerds in here arguing over this stuff.

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05-13-2009, 05:59 AM

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Well apparently you don't know shit about Star Trek, at least not enough to have the supposed "change" in the characters to bother you.

Captain Kirk DID cheat after several failed attempts and admitted it in the Wrath of Kahn.

Besides, you probably didn't pay to see it so your opinion doesn't much matter. Be kind of like asking a thief how he liked your house after he robbed it... it just doesn't fucking matter.

ah go back and watch the wrath of kahn
he figuired out how to hack the system, on his very first try

The key point in the movie was that he "never faced the no win situation"

the death of his friend spock was his first such situation.

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05-13-2009, 06:20 AM

saw it last night ..

great movie .. my expectations weren't too high for this film as the last 3 trek movies weren't all that .. but damn this one is worth the entry fee ...

if your a sci-fi fan or a trekky it's a must see .. great flick!

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05-13-2009, 07:03 AM

Well, I liked it.
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05-13-2009, 07:16 AM

Have not had a chance to see it, yet, as it has not opened here but as soon as It does I plan to catch it..

I hope I love it. Have not seen a good scifi movie in some time.

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05-13-2009, 07:35 AM

Great movie. It was a blast.

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05-13-2009, 07:43 AM

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ah go back and watch the wrath of kahn
he figuired out how to hack the system, on his very first try

The key point in the movie was that he "never faced the no win situation"

the death of his friend spock was his first such situation.

"James T. Kirk takes the test three times while at Starfleet Academy. Prior to his third attempt, Kirk surreptitiously reprograms the simulator so that it is possible to rescue the freighter. This fact finally comes out, later in the movie (Wrath of Kahn), as Kirk, Saavik and others appear marooned, near death. Saavik's response is, "Then you never faced that situation. Faced death." Kirk replies, "I don't believe in the no-win scenario." Despite his having cheated, Kirk was awarded a commendation for "original thinking."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

"The Kobayashi Maru test forces its participants to confront an unwinnable situation that serves as a test of character, but Kirk reveals that he won the test by cheating; Saavik responds that Kirk has never faced death. Spock's own solution to the no-win scenario, that of self-sacrifice, forces Kirk to confront death after continually cheating it, and to grow as a character."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk

Direct quotes from the movie:

Spock: The Kobayashi Maru scenario frequently wreaks havoc on students and equipment. As I recall you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution was, shall we say, unique?
Kirk: It had the virtue of never having been tried.

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Saavik: Admiral, may I ask you a question?
Kirk: What's on your mind, Lieutenant?
Saavik: The Kobayashi Maru, sir.
Kirk: Are you asking me if we're playing out that scenario now?
Saavik: On the test, sir... will you tell me what you did? I would really like to know.
McCoy: Lieutenant, you are looking at the only Starfleet cadet who ever beat the no-win scenario.
Saavik: How?
Kirk: I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.
Saavik: What?
David Marcus: He cheated.
Kirk: I changed the conditions of the test; got a commendation for original thinking. I don't like to lose.
Saavik: Then you never faced that situation... faced death.
Kirk: I don't believe in the no-win scenario.

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...You were saying what? I don't need to rewatch anything, maybe you do though.

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05-13-2009, 07:53 AM

Not a fan but I will see this last movie because it's publicity so I will have no rpoblem with the cast.

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05-13-2009, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Darkland

"James T. Kirk takes the test three times while at Starfleet Academy. Prior to his third attempt, Kirk surreptitiously reprograms the simulator so that it is possible to rescue the freighter. This fact finally comes out, later in the movie (Wrath of Kahn), as Kirk, Saavik and others appear marooned, near death. Saavik's response is, "Then you never faced that situation. Faced death." Kirk replies, "I don't believe in the no-win scenario." Despite his having cheated, Kirk was awarded a commendation for "original thinking."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

"The Kobayashi Maru test forces its participants to confront an unwinnable situation that serves as a test of character, but Kirk reveals that he won the test by cheating; Saavik responds that Kirk has never faced death. Spock's own solution to the no-win scenario, that of self-sacrifice, forces Kirk to confront death after continually cheating it, and to grow as a character."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_T._Kirk

Direct quotes from the movie:

Spock: The Kobayashi Maru scenario frequently wreaks havoc on students and equipment. As I recall you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution was, shall we say, unique?
Kirk: It had the virtue of never having been tried.

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...You were saying what? I don't need to rewatch anything, maybe you do though.

when westley crush was going for his entrance exam he was using the holodeck to do practise tests. Re read the quote it spock never said that he failed 2 times and then came up with the solution, it said he took the test three times.

btw read some of the star trek books, in the original universe cannon, the previous two times were kirk being the support staff for a classmate (once at helm control, once at weapons ops).

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05-13-2009, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

when westley crush was going for his entrance exam he was using the holodeck to do practise tests. Re read the quote it spock never said that he failed 2 times and then came up with the solution, it said he took the test three times.

btw read some of the star trek books, in the original universe cannon, the previous two times were kirk being the support staff for a classmate (once at helm control, once at weapons ops).

Maybe English isn't your first language but the quotes are pretty fucking clear. If it is you are clearly an idiot. If you don't fail a test why would you take it again and that is besides the point. Where in any of my proof that I just posted for you even SAID or USED the word failed other than my original post.

FACT: He DID cheat

FACT: He had to take it several times before he DECIDED to cheat.

End of story... And I could give two shits about the books, we are talking about the films.

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05-13-2009, 08:37 AM

I'll check on it.

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05-13-2009, 08:55 AM

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Maybe English isn't your first language but the quotes are pretty fucking clear. If it is you are clearly an idiot. If you don't fail a test why would you take it again and that is besides the point. Where in any of my proof that I just posted for you even SAID or USED the word failed other than my original post.

FACT: He DID cheat

FACT: He had to take it several times before he DECIDED to cheat.

End of story... And I could give two shits about the books, we are talking about the films.

again going back to the book
1. no one knew the was designed to be a no win situation everyone thought there was a solution
2. Kirk flew the ship in the first attempt
3. Kirk handled weapons in the second.
4. he spent time reviewing everything to figuire out why they failed
5. he figuired out that the simulation was set to be a no win situation
6. he tweeked it minorly to (increasing the turn angle at high speed/+maximum speed, shifting sheild strength density around -- making parts stronger by making other parts really weak)

he succeed in winning the test, and was caught for "cheating" because it was supposed to be a no win situation. He got the commendation because what he did was not against the rules, technically if you were aware of the battle (which he was) the tweeks he made to the system, could have been done by an engineer in dry dock .

That is completely different from what was presented in the movie.

He was just a punk ass kid who cheated after failing 2 times before.

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05-13-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

again going back to the book
1. no one knew the was designed to be a no win situation everyone thought there was a solution
2. Kirk flew the ship in the first attempt
3. Kirk handled weapons in the second.
4. he spent time reviewing everything to figuire out why they failed
5. he figuired out that the simulation was set to be a no win situation
6. he tweeked it minorly to (increasing the turn angle at high speed/+maximum speed, shifting sheild strength density around -- making parts stronger by making other parts really weak)

he succeed in winning the test, and was caught for "cheating" because it was supposed to be a no win situation. He got the commendation because what he did was not against the rules, technically if you were aware of the battle (which he was) the tweeks he made to the system, could have been done by an engineer in dry dock .

That is completely different from what was presented in the movie.

He was just a punk ass kid who cheated after failing 2 times before.

Oh... But I thought you said they never failed. And how is that NOT cheating. So facts are, he took the test several times before changing it so he could win (cheating). Just because he got a commendation it doesn't take away the fact he cheated. How did they portray that incorrectly? Oh yeah... They didn't.

I am done debating with you on this...

I like how you side stepped this... It proves my point and the reason you didn't like his portrayal is because people who cheat and steal ARE punk ass kids. Maybe it struck to close to home

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05-13-2009, 11:16 AM

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Oh... But I thought you said they never failed. And how is that NOT cheating. So facts are, he took the test several times before changing it so he could win (cheating). Just because he got a commendation it doesn't take away the fact he cheated. How did they portray that incorrectly? Oh yeah... They didn't.

I am done debating with you on this...

I like how you side stepped this... It proves my point and the reason you didn't like his portrayal is because people who cheat and steal ARE punk ass kids. Maybe it struck to close to home

he didn't cheat because what he did was not against the rules.

The test allowed people to prep for the event
everyone else used that to practise on the default setting of the ship
kirk used that time to tweet the ship performance so that it would work best for the people he assigned to the task

that why he got the commendation at the end of the story and not get kicked out for cheating.

(the third act of the book was the "hearing" to see if kirk would get kicked out of school)

the punk ass way the had him do it (let just drop the shield on the enemy) detracts from what makes kirk so great, what makes him worthy of being the youngest star ship captain in starfeet history.

Maybe at the end of the movie his heroics justified him not getting his ass kicked out of star fleet but not only getting his own ship but getting the enterprise

A cheating loser who basically leaps before he looks gets promoted to captain of the star fleet flag ship.

please it was so out of wack solution that it made star fleet look pathetic.

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05-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Did you go to the theater to see it or did you timeshift it?

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05-13-2009, 11:43 AM

thought it was ok but was hoping it would be better.

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05-13-2009, 11:46 AM

they should create a real temporal police to stop timeshifting.
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05-13-2009, 11:50 AM

Still unsure whether i'll bother to check this out.

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05-13-2009, 12:53 PM

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05-13-2009, 01:13 PM

i watched it an hour ago, i liked it. he should remake all other star trek movies too, since they area dead boring.

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05-13-2009, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

All i can say is that jj abrams need to be flogged, if you are going to change star trek so much you should have just done a different star trekish movie.

That whole we can get away with all the changes because of the temporal paradox thing doesn't work given the starship relativity (from ST:V) and the temporal police (ST:E)

both of which would have attempted to fix the timestream and put everything back on course.

As a big fan of all things Star Trek, I invite you to take a step back from the cannon and consider that with JJ Abrams new movie, we will get to experience new breath and a lot more content into a franchise that was effectively dead, done, and over with.

If you love Star Trek, you know they regularly rewrite the world with sci-fi science like worm holes and time travel. Nothing they've done with this movie makes me believe they did anything but take great care to make a good, watchable movie and keep as consistent as possible with the already written universe.

Instead of worrying over how much things changed, I've accepted the new Star Trek's unspoken offer to believe the alternate reality they're providing. In doing so, I choose to accept and enjoy another hopefully prosperous decade of content in a universe I love. The movie was good, the characters were familiar, and the message was in line with Star Trek.

The message was hope and equality and fighting for success against the odds, valuing life, and that being smart is a good thing. These are all Star Trek qualities, and as a big fan, I want them to thrive. I'm very happy this movie was made. I don't care how much they strayed from the cannon because I know from watching interviews with Abrams and the like that he took a lot of care to give fans like me everything he COULD give, and still make the movie. I accept.

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05-13-2009, 01:37 PM

I think the time line shift created a fresh slate now, they can do anything they want in the next couple movies. Just imagine now they can incorparate all the show characters from DeepSpace 9 and bring in John Luke

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05-13-2009, 01:45 PM

I'd also like to mention for people considering the movie who aren't fans of Star Trek that the movie is quite good. You don't have to know anything about Star Trek to like it. Once you'll see it, you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much you DID know with out being a fan, "Live long and prosper" and the like have permeated our culture to a point where the material is familiar to even non-fans. It is a very good and entertaining movie and you don't have to like Star Trek to like it.

For those of you who are fans of Star Trek, if you haven't seen it yet and are considering seeing it I hope you go with an open mind. The movie is already done so we can't make them go back and "fix" any imagined inconsistencies at this point. If you love Star Trek and want to be able to see the franchise continue making content, this movie is pretty palatable for fans and easy to embrace.

I am biased, of course. I want them to be successful so they can make more movies.

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05-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

Did you go to the theater to see it or did you timeshift it?

you can't timeshift something you haven't bought already, so yes i went to the theater.

you can't timeshift movies that are in the theater only tv shows and movies that aired on tv.

Now access shifting if upheld would allow you get movie aired in the theaters but only if they don't release the content across all distribution channels at the same time.

That right has not been established yet, but it will be soon. (hopefully)

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05-13-2009, 02:28 PM

I loved the new Trek movie so much I jizzed all over my ticket and told it I'd call it tomorrow.
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