50 utopia seeking hippies in a liberal/socialist state totally bewildered by the fact that gay marriage keeps getting shot down and just can't reconcile this fact

The point is they have you under "contract" law. The reason you have to have lawyers and judges to get you out of it is because of this very contract.

It certainly does raise new generations of "group think" sheep.

any contract has to be legally recognized in the jurisdiction in which its intended to have legal force.

marriage = male + female.
Gays may have civil union or whatever

Our courts only recognize maritime/admiralty/UCC jurisdiction because they created it. Walk into any court in the US and challenge that particular jurisdiction and you'll turn a judge's face red. Thats the point. They have usurped common law which is what our constitution and Bill of Rights was founded upon.

I'm sorry . . . where do you live?

Please cite your reliance. Should be easy enough.

This should make for some entertaining reading.

http://www.dumblaws.com

You trying to be funny?

Here's some great CA laws

Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship. Keep in mind the TN law of "The definition of “dumb animal” includes every living creature." lol
Hollow logs may not be sold.
Women may not drive in a house coat.
No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.
Peacocks have the right of way to cross any street, including driveways.

I am aware of the site. Now, show me the code that states the following are laws in CA. We will deal with the rest of your commentary after:

More than 8 women may not live in the same house because that would constitute a brothel.
It is illegal to use a lasso to catch a fish.
Giving and receiving oral sex is prohibited by law.
Driving is not to be done while asleep.
The definition of ?dumb animal? includes every living creature.
Skunks may not be carried into the state.

I say you are talking about a different state, so not really relevant to this discussion.

What does TN law have to do with CA law?

When I said local I meant local to me (TN)

It was a joke hence the lol but you're beginning to resemble the comment.

Here's another great one out of CA

Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.

haha

Nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool.

You are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you already own at least two cows.

Ice cream may not be eaten while standing on the sidewalk.

Detonating a nuclear device within the city limits results in a $500 fine.

One may not use one's own restroom if the window is open.

Persons classified as "ugly" may not walk down any street.

hahahaha whew, this is some funny shit. You Californian's are a hoot.

Community leaders passed an ordinance that makes it illegal for anyone to try and stop a child from playfully jumping over puddles of water.

as someone who's spent considerable time at sea both in the country and out ... i don't think you are right. i understand what you are saying... if you are saying that maritime law overrides state law.

however, i think you are confused at how marriage works and are confusing myth with fact. a captain does not have the right to marry people at sea, if they do not hold a valid license on land to marry people, and any marriage at sea is not valid until its registered on land. i don't believe that maritime law plays any role at all in marriage.

its designed for things like cargo, vessel rights/salvage rights, injuries (jones act) etc. its not an all encompassing body of law to address anything and everything.

Not confused at all. I'll give you a run down of how it all came about later but the US has been operating under maritime/admiralty law since it's bankruptcy in 1933 when Roosevelt signed the War and Emergency Powers Act. Common law was done away with via Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins which gave way for UCC.

you are still not explaining how a captain can marry a same sex couple at sea and that marriage then be a legally recognized marriage in the state of California. a marriage at sea is not a valid marriage. its just a ceremony. the marriage still has no legal recognition in the US until its registered on land, as any other marriage in any state and is still subject to the same laws of the state where its registered.

you are essentially saying "i can marry a hamster at sea and california can kiss my ass because any state court will be forced to recognize it as a legal marriage because Admiralty Law takes precedence over state law"... but you're not explaining exactly how that works or why admiralty law is applicable.

What I'm trying to tell you is ALL laws (actually statutes) are currently setup under UCC which is based on maritime/admiralty. Maritime/admiralty was used as the rule of law after the bankruptcy of the US until they came up with UCC in the early 40's. EVERYTHING is now under UCC including your drivers license, marriage, fishing etc. They are contracts under UCC. Even a speeding ticket is a contract under UCC. The courts only deal in UCC. This is why a judge will tell you not to mention the constitution in a court.

Being a mariner do you know what the fringed flag is? It's a maritime war flag. Where do you see those? In a court room.

I'm just so glad I'm not in Cali right now!

you still didn't answer the question. its pretty specific. not sure that i can make it more specific.

I'm not trying to tell you a captain can marry anyone. What I'm trying to tell you is as a married couple you enter into a contract under UCC which is based on maritime/admiralty law this is why you have to go to a court for a divorce. If you sign up for a drivers license you then agree to those said statutes. All of this was created under a war time act which is still in place today. The reason common law isn't recognized is because they (the government) are limited in control. By passing statutes under UCC they can make up bullshit laws all they want like lets say the income tax.. A marriage license is a bullshit law so gays shouldn't even have to go through that anyway and those who have a problem with gay marriages shouldn't put so much emphasis on something that is really nothing more than a business contract made up to make those who made the laws money.

Question, Vadim: do you support the violent police actions against gays in Russia? or the violence of russian nationalists against gays? do you think being gay is something like having cancer and needs to be cured?

its from the army... it has nothing to do with maritime law. its purely symbolic and ceremonial.

i don't think there is any such thing as a "war flag" - what would it denote? flags on vessels are for signaling and identification. what are they going to signal "we are at war"?

i think now that you are just making things up and you are starting to sound like a tax protester making legal arguments that are both baseless and untrue or unaware of those which have been tested in courts.

the uniform commercial code as i read and understood was nothing more than suggestions for uniform commerce regulations between states. they don't grant any authority to anyone for anything. states choose to adopt them, or not or adopt modified versions of them.

I would argue that the conservatives use the government to control other people's lives just as much, they just do it for different reasons. This case is a great example of it. California allows gay marriage and the conservatives mount an assault and get a law passed to disallow it. Both sides want big government they just just want different parts of big government and what they want that government to control is different.

I agree that the government should have no say in who someone marries that is none of their business.

well, well, at least Germany once had a special war flag for the marine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2745-75dpi.jpg

needless to say it's not being used anymore :upsidedow

Do you have to muddy up every thread with your lunacy? :disgust

Everything I said here is absolutely true. As far as the tax comment there's no reason to protest a voluntary act upon a statute.

lol if the truth is lunacy then sure. Do you consider everything you aren't informed about crazy?

funny i made the comment about you sounding like a tax protester and you headed down that path. maybe that was just a lucky guess??? and that is a perfect example.. the "voluntary" thing has been through the courts time and time again. the amount you pay is voluntary.. not that you pay taxes. that's simple black and white and 100% fact that you can verify in case law.

and very little you said was true. you are sounding more and more like a conspiracy nut who is copying this crap from a conspiracy site.

you say a "marriage license" is a bullshit law. the simple fact of the matter is that a marriage MUST be registered somewhere to be valid. and that's true in ANY COUNTRY... Why? are you too much of a lunatic to understand things like inheritance, estates, division of property/divorce settlements etc etc etc? a marriage is a legal contract between two people and it has to be both registered and dissolved in a court. thats doesn't require a 180 IQ to grasp the legal implications and obligations of marriage.

holy shit. you were almost sounding like you were making sense and it made me do some reading.

I am making perfect sense and you should do some more reading. There is no law that requires a individual pay most of the taxes they pay. I'll tell you how they are able to make them do it if you wish. But you might not want me taking you down that rabbit hole.


While you're doing your research look into the "Bar" Treaty of 1947 as well.

Damn I can hear the protesters marching on Santa Monica Blvd from my house. Its crazy in West Hollywood right now

What is the protest about? Their failure to come out and vote?

dont be mean!

Two legal terms that are often confused by laypeople are VENUE and JURISDICTION. Venue quite simply is the location in which court is convened.

Jurisdiction has many facets dealing with the various aspects and modalities of law and justice, i.e., Tort (Civil) law, Admiralty/Law Merchant Contract law, Real Property law, Statute law, Criminal Law, and Constitutional law, to name a few of the fields of jurisprudence. The court must be sitting in the proper jurisdition to render Justice. No court has the discretion to hear a case that falls outside of its subject-matter jurisdiction.

Most local courts today sit in the jurisdiction of Admiralty/Law Merchant Contract law utilizing the Uniform Commercial Code as the authority for their moving.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_ju...isdiction.html

Wasn't there a vote where the majority didn't want gay marriage? Whats wrong with the state accepting the will of the majority? I thought you nutjobs were against government acting without the consent of the people ... or is only when it suits you?

(27) "Person" means an individual, corporation, business trust, estate, trust, partnership, limited liability company, association, joint venture, government, governmental subdivision, agency, or instrumentality, public corporation, or any other legal or commercial entity.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_ju...e1.html#Person

Sui Juris ? The Official State Office Known As "PERSON"
http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_juris/person.html

There are some people who see this as a civil rights issue like women getting the right to vote and race integration. With a civil rights issue it is always going to be something that suits a minority and that minority looks to the court to help them get relief from the masses.

Think of it like this. Back when they gave women the right to vote if it were left to the masses there is a very good chance that they would have voted it down. The same with slavery, race integration and things like that. The courts step in on the side of the minority to protect them from mob rule.

Some agree with them doing this and others don't

crazy shit

You guys realize onwebcam is one of the 9/11 conspiracy total nut jobs like PornoStar69 or whatever his name is. There's no sense arguing with him.

It became pretty evident early on that he was a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

I agree :thumbsup

I see your point, but its not like they can't have a civil union and enjoy the exact same rights.

Hell I am sure people who want to marry their dog, or marry their goldfish, or marry their sister can throw up the exact same argument. A civil right is only a right once society decides its a right.

:thumbsup

actually i didn't realize that at all until i started checking out what he was saying. he's clearly intelligent... but definitely has a warped interpretation of what he's reading. initially, it looked as if his ideas were his own and i was mildly interested for a split second.

this thread and the issue are very amusing to me. everyone loves democracy until they don't agree with the results. everyone loves capitalism until rapid economic growth is followed by brief contraction and everyone loves freedom of speech until someone is saying something they don't want to hear.

Looks like Cali is not that Liberal as many people think