lol if the truth is lunacy then sure. Do you consider everything you aren't informed about crazy?

funny i made the comment about you sounding like a tax protester and you headed down that path. maybe that was just a lucky guess??? and that is a perfect example.. the "voluntary" thing has been through the courts time and time again. the amount you pay is voluntary.. not that you pay taxes. that's simple black and white and 100% fact that you can verify in case law.

and very little you said was true. you are sounding more and more like a conspiracy nut who is copying this crap from a conspiracy site.

you say a "marriage license" is a bullshit law. the simple fact of the matter is that a marriage MUST be registered somewhere to be valid. and that's true in ANY COUNTRY... Why? are you too much of a lunatic to understand things like inheritance, estates, division of property/divorce settlements etc etc etc? a marriage is a legal contract between two people and it has to be both registered and dissolved in a court. thats doesn't require a 180 IQ to grasp the legal implications and obligations of marriage.

holy shit. you were almost sounding like you were making sense and it made me do some reading.

I am making perfect sense and you should do some more reading. There is no law that requires a individual pay most of the taxes they pay. I'll tell you how they are able to make them do it if you wish. But you might not want me taking you down that rabbit hole.


While you're doing your research look into the "Bar" Treaty of 1947 as well.

Damn I can hear the protesters marching on Santa Monica Blvd from my house. Its crazy in West Hollywood right now

What is the protest about? Their failure to come out and vote?

dont be mean!

Two legal terms that are often confused by laypeople are VENUE and JURISDICTION. Venue quite simply is the location in which court is convened.

Jurisdiction has many facets dealing with the various aspects and modalities of law and justice, i.e., Tort (Civil) law, Admiralty/Law Merchant Contract law, Real Property law, Statute law, Criminal Law, and Constitutional law, to name a few of the fields of jurisprudence. The court must be sitting in the proper jurisdition to render Justice. No court has the discretion to hear a case that falls outside of its subject-matter jurisdiction.

Most local courts today sit in the jurisdiction of Admiralty/Law Merchant Contract law utilizing the Uniform Commercial Code as the authority for their moving.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_ju...isdiction.html

Wasn't there a vote where the majority didn't want gay marriage? Whats wrong with the state accepting the will of the majority? I thought you nutjobs were against government acting without the consent of the people ... or is only when it suits you?

(27) "Person" means an individual, corporation, business trust, estate, trust, partnership, limited liability company, association, joint venture, government, governmental subdivision, agency, or instrumentality, public corporation, or any other legal or commercial entity.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_ju...e1.html#Person

Sui Juris ? The Official State Office Known As "PERSON"
http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_juris/person.html

There are some people who see this as a civil rights issue like women getting the right to vote and race integration. With a civil rights issue it is always going to be something that suits a minority and that minority looks to the court to help them get relief from the masses.

Think of it like this. Back when they gave women the right to vote if it were left to the masses there is a very good chance that they would have voted it down. The same with slavery, race integration and things like that. The courts step in on the side of the minority to protect them from mob rule.

Some agree with them doing this and others don't

crazy shit

You guys realize onwebcam is one of the 9/11 conspiracy total nut jobs like PornoStar69 or whatever his name is. There's no sense arguing with him.

It became pretty evident early on that he was a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

I agree :thumbsup

I see your point, but its not like they can't have a civil union and enjoy the exact same rights.

Hell I am sure people who want to marry their dog, or marry their goldfish, or marry their sister can throw up the exact same argument. A civil right is only a right once society decides its a right.

:thumbsup

actually i didn't realize that at all until i started checking out what he was saying. he's clearly intelligent... but definitely has a warped interpretation of what he's reading. initially, it looked as if his ideas were his own and i was mildly interested for a split second.

this thread and the issue are very amusing to me. everyone loves democracy until they don't agree with the results. everyone loves capitalism until rapid economic growth is followed by brief contraction and everyone loves freedom of speech until someone is saying something they don't want to hear.

Looks like Cali is not that Liberal as many people think

Sums it up pretty well.

I can imagine how this would be going if Prop 8 had failed but the results were overturned by a court.

Anyone that thinks they want the courts more involved are not paying attention. Does no one remember the 2000 Presidential elections?

The problem is exactly that. You don't want to hear/believe what I'm telling you. And believe me I didn't want to believe it either. Because that would mean everything I have ever believed was based on a lie. But it's true. Ask yourself why there is the term "ward" of the state. How is your government allowed to take your kids away from you so easily? There's some very valuable information in this thread.

First the appearance of our flag is defined in Title 4 sec. 1. U.S.C.. "The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field." (my note - of course when new states are admitted, new stars are added.)

A foot note was added on page 1113 of the same section which says: "Placing of fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and arrangement of the stars are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but within the discretion of the President as commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy." 1925, 34 Op.Atty.Gen. 483.

The president, as military commander, can add a yellow fringe to our flag. When would this be done? During time of war. Why? A flag with a fringe is an ensign, a military flag. Read the following.

"Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces."

From the National Encyclopedia, Volume 4:
"Flag, an emblem of a nation; usually made of cloth and flown from a staff. From a military standpoint flags are of two general classes, those flown from stationary masts over army posts, and those carried by troops in formation. The former are referred to by the general name flags. The latter are called colors when carried by dismounted troops. Colors and Standards are more nearly square than flags and are made of silk with a knotted Fringe of Yellow on three sides...use of the flag. The most general and appropriate use of the flag is as a symbol of authority and power."

http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/colony5.html

"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the state; individual so-called `ownership' is only by virtue of government, i.e., law, amounting to a mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State." - Senate Document No. 43, "Contracts payable in Gold" written in 1933.

"...The agency of the master is devolved upon him by the law of the flag. The same law that confers his authority ascertains its limits, and the flag at the mast-head is notice to all the world of the extent of such power to bind the owners or freighters by his act. The foreigner who deals with this agent has notice of that law, and, if he be bound by it, there is not injustice. His notice is the national flag which is hoisted on every sea and under which the master sails into every port, and every circumstance that connects him with the vessel isolates that vessel in the eyes of the world, and demonstrates his relation to the owners and freighters as their agent for a specific purpose and with power well defined under the national maritime law." - Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914.

"Pursuant to the "Law of the Flag", a military flag does result in jurisdictional implication when flown. The Plaintiff cites the following: "Under what is called international law, the law of the flag, a shipowner who sends his vessel into a foreign port gives notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the shipmaster that he intends the law of the flag to regulate those contracts with the shipmaster that he either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." - Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41, 45, 185 ILL. 133, 49 LRA 181, 76 AM.

"These courts, then, are not constitutional courts in which the judicial power conferred by the Constitution on the general government can be deposited. They are incapable of receiving it. They are legislative courts, created in virtue of the general right of sovereignty which exists in the government, or in virtue of that clause which enables Congress to make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory belonging to the united States. The jurisdiction with which they are invested is not a part of that judicial power which is conferred in the third article of the Constitution, but is conferred by Congress in the execution of those general powers which that body possesses over the territories of the United States." -- Harvard Law Review, Our New Possessions. page 481. AMERICAN INS. CO. v. 356 BALES OF COTTON, 26 U.S. 511, 546 (1828)

"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. government." -- Congressman Traficant on the House floor, March 17, 1933

"I want to show you where the people are being imposed upon by reason of the delegation of this tremendous power. I invite your attention to the fact that section 16 of the Federal Reserve Act provides that whenever the Government of the United States issues and delivers money, Federal Reserve notes, which are based on the credit of the Nation--they represent a mortgage upon your home and my home, and upon all the property of all the people of the Nation--to the Federal Reserve agent, an interest charge shall be collected for the Government." -- Congressional Record, Congressman Patman, March 13, 1933

"That is the equity of what we are about to do. Yes; you are going to close us down. Yes; you have already closed us down, and have been doing it long before this year. Our President says that for 3 years we have been on the way to bankruptcy. We have been on the way to bankruptcy longer than 3 years. We have been on the way to bankruptcy ever since we began to allow the financial mastery of this country gradually to get into the hands of a little clique that has held it right up until they would send us to the grave." -- Congressional Record, Congressman Long, March 11, 1933

"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 76) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency." - Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973

"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

Not true...see President Truman's attempt to seize the steel mills.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only.

http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

Holy shit. Finally an intelligent person on this forum. I congratulate you sir.

"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially-proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Harry S. Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Richard M. Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971."[1]

"These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes."[2]

"Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."[3]

"With the melting of the cold war--the developing detente with the Soviet Union and China, the stable truce of over 20 years duration between North and South Korea, and the end of U.S. involvement in the war in Indochina-there is no present need for the United States Government to continue to function under emergency conditions."[4]

According to Troubled Times, as the declared National Emergency of March 9, 1933 amended the War Powers Act to include the American People as enemies. This allowed Maritime Law to come onto land."[11][12]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...War_Powers_Act

What does that have to do with President Truman's attempt to seize the steel mills. A Presidents power is still...only what the Supreme Court deems to be his power.

The supreme court is nothing but a private corporation.

HQ SUPREME COURT, UNITED STATES OF THE
Also Traded as SUPREME COURT 1 1ST ST NE, WASHINGTON, DC

The President is another private corporation

HQ GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Also Traded as BARACK H OBAMA THE U S CAPITOL, WASHINGTON, DC

www.dnb.com

Any ruling the Supreme court gives is really nothing more than a breach of contract of sorts.



Mar 9, 1933 - In other words, the American people were no longer excluded from the almost unlimited powers granted to Roosevelt in the War Powers Act as approved by Congress on March 9th, 1933! In fact, all of the transactions of the American people were included under the powers of that act! But even worse than the establishment of a dictatorial war government (otherwise know as 'martial law'), which authorized the president to do anything that he deemed necessary for the operation of the ... Show more Show less
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Mar 9, 1933 - Then-president Franklin D. Roosevelt invoked the War Powers Act and permanently suspended the Constitution on March 9, 1933. All civil rights have been null and void since then. *The gold fringe around some US flags is actually a military designation, a subtle sign that the US is operating illegally under martial law. *During the Depression, the Federal Reserve secretly smuggled the nation's gold reserves offshore, then issued worthless Federal Reserve notes to dupe the ...

docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/SP/lib00249,0EB5E04427C55C3C.html


Apr 5, 1933 - But on April 5, 1933 less than one month after passing The War Powers Act, FDR declared that all citizens turn their gold over to the privately owned Federal Reserve. He did this without the approval of Congress by issuing an Executive Order, which would have been unconstitutional, had Congress not given the President dictatorial powers under The War Powers Act.24.

books.google.com/books?id=ZPA_iRdmJa0C&pg=PA120

In your case...garbage in...garbage out. You are dismissed.

For the record you can apply this to pretty much any western and even some eastern societies for example Canada, England > now the UK except on a different level, Australia, get it? Look into it your country had the same senario happen to them during the Great Depression.

In addition the mailing address for the corporation of the the Supreme Court is the Federal Reserve. I'll get some screen shots.

Prop 8 was upheld, now the children are safe.

You think your children are safe? Look at the percentage of pedo's that are within the those realms. Not that I would mind if a chick molested me at 13-14 lol but do you see whats happened in the past few years. It's a fact that there's a higher percentage of kids getting molested within the system. Hell it's not recent it's been going on all along. Catholic Church is a great example.

You thought I was serious :1orglaugh

If you can tell from the thread I've been catching a lot of shit because people dont want to accept reality. So yes, I thought you were serious.