Its posts like this that I've seen you make quite frequently that tell me you've got a lot to learn about the webcam business. Camgirlslive was streamray's flagship site starting in 99' up until they bought cams.com somewhere around 05. Its still part of the cams.com network and does receive affiliate traffic. Hotcams.com is simply a streamate cobrand, there's a dozen others just like it out there. Sure AWE is highly successful with livejasmin, but do you realize how much time and money it took them to achieve that?

You act as if you can just get a script and throw a bunch of models on live and the cash is going to come rolling in. You'll have months if not years before you hit breakeven, do you have the cash on hand to get you there? If you think you're gonna come on the scene, pay the standard 20-30% revshare, and automatically attract affiliate traffic in an already competitive market, think again.

Don't get me wrong, I love the name, its easily brandable and a top ten live cam domain. However, I agree with pleasurepays, with 350k to start a live cam business I'd rather spend less than 50k on the name and put the rest into startup costs and advertising and building a successful affiliate program.

chat sites are the same, they need 5,000 hits a day to retain visitors and I've
got a chat sites going before. I can get 500+ hits a day from adwords, that's 700
new visitors a day, after a few months with return traffic say 1,500 hits a day,
should entice a few camgirls to stick around then it's all go from there.

There's a billion guys on the planet who would click on www.camgirls.com if you
think it's doomed you're just a gloomy guy.

:helpme ...

Did you mange to get $4-5 a minute from those people on your chat site ??? ......and l can tell you from experience 1,500 hits is not going to get you sustaining 1 girl...sorry but its a fact.

Not even that, 1,500 hits per day is hardly enough for one cam girl to stick around. This thread made me die a little inside.

absolutely fucking clueless

In my opinion, it wasn't worth 350k, maybe half that or less. However, its my understanding the previous owner was the type that wasn't willing to negotiate and if you wanted his domain then you were going to have to pay his price. I've always subscribed by the axiom that a domain is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So if anything, hopefully his purchase increased the value of my 100+ webcam domain portfolio.

Got any great ones for sale?

I had a big laugh here. You try to be sarcastic I hope?

I have said many times- the more money people from outside the adult business come into the adult business with, the worse their chances of success. I know lots of porn millionaires who started out with nothing more than a moderately paying job in the business where they learned the ins and outs of the business and built personal relationships and grew it from there. But every time someone who isn't hands on working in the adult business already and who buys their way into it with big plans, it always crashes and burns.

1,500 hits is about $700 a day for an affiliate. Some sites they get a lot less than
1/3 of the time in pay mode and still stay online.

I agree..and have just increased all my cam domain prices X2 :thumbsup


On a seperate note,the domain is a good one but l think only 2 options exsist.

1. Sit on it hoping one of the larger established players wants it at a latter date.

2. Spend about $1-3 million bucks on building a cam site and infastructure (and thats a gamble)

Cant see any other ways for you to recoup the 350k


Ps if anyones is looking for cam domains...hit me up .....

Do you know what forum you are on? You are talking to program owners and affiliates that have been involved with cams for the better part of a decade of not longer. We know exactly what traffic is worth, what a white label will make and why your plans of world domination will crash and burn. Then to top it off you act like we are pulling this stuff out of our ass when it's obvious to everyone but you that you don't have the slightest bit of a clue.

I was actually interested in putting together a webcam affiliate program on a premium domain and sent you an email to discuss it. Unfortunately, you have ruined any chance of anyone promoting or being associated with your website with this thread. Nobody would trust their money to someone so utterly clueless and too hard headed to even consider that they might be wrong.

Wow, just fucking wow.

I'm looking for a great, brandable one. What do you have in that regard?

I don't think any of us think its doomed, but you haven't exactly instilled any confidence in us that you know how to make it successful. You'll need 50k a day to keep any camgirls around and traffic won't return if you only have a half a dozen girls live. Camgirls have tons of different sites they can work these days, unless you're willing to give them some pay up front, there's going to be no incentive for them to sit around all day with your 1500 hits waiting for your site to grow. Have you looked into partnering up with some of the eastern euro camgirl studios?

And who else spent $3 million to set up a cam site?

The way I see it cam sites either make millions or next to nothing, and I can't
see camgirls.com failing by a long shot.

You can't see it failing why? Because it's a memorable domain in a competitive field full of memorable names? You literally have nothing else going for you.

Not to hijack the thread, but I haven't increased the price of cameragirls.com by 2x, no matter what the other guy paid for camgirls.com :1orglaugh

You're the one emailing me asking me to make your dreams of wealthy retirement
come true.

lol at all you people shitting and crying that this guy isn't going to make money

we all started off sometime and when we started we didn't know shit, so put yourself in the same boat as this guy - you don't know shit, and you're just starting in this biz

now think to yourself, sure he's going to fuck up and get some things wrong - we all do and we all did, but how many of us had a domain like camgirls.com to start out with? its a great domain with tons of potential and just because the dude doesn't know right now the ins and outs of things doesn't mean in 10 years camgirls.com won't be a bigger site

A few samples inc....

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Etc Etc.....

I do have some very high premium ones but dont want to post them here but feel free to hit me up on icq ....

Thanks

All of the big programs spent that much and more, if you were gonna spend 350k on a domain then you should have done exhaustive research within that niche to find out how much additional investment it was going to take to bring a project to completion. Can you explain why you seem to be conveying that a good name automatically means success and profitablity? Flip it around, AWE paid $10 for livejasmin.com and used their budget to build the site and create a successful affiliate program. Its a horrible name for a major cam site, but they've shown that in the whole scheme of things the name plays a very little role in determining success.

It was already priced 2x higher or more than it should be, so you are ok leaving it.

I dont think people are shitting and crying at him ,they are trying to give advice?

I have always dreamed of retiring on a webcam program that I own / operate yes. I am looking for the right domain to do it with, you happen to have one that would have worked. Since I don't want to pay $20,000,000 for it I asked if you wanted to do something besides be a glorified affiliate with less traffic than pretty much everyone else on this board, including those that started last week.

All of this was before I realized you are one of the dumbest people I've ever had a discussion with. We're on the internet, do you know how hard that is to accomplish?

That's just it, none of us started off in our niche purchasing a 350k domain. I wish him all the luck in the world. However, it appears initially based on his lack of insight into the cam niche that he could use a little constructive criticism.

It's not that he doesn't know the ins and outs, he actually thinks he has it all figured out and refuses to even consider what quite a few people here have said. Did you start out in the adult industry by telling people that actually know what's going on "Nuh uhn, the domain is so good I'll be a millionaire!".?

I hope not.

obviously though someone would have been better off doing the $10 domain and spending $349,990 on marketing / buying links

im sure he's considering everything but no one who just spent $350k on ANYTHING likes to be told what to do with that thing

I just hope he didn't tell the mafia he'd turn $350,000 into $3,500,000 or something. :1orglaugh

I've never quoted anyone a price...but touché anyway :winkwink:

If you've been reading his posts, its not obvious to him. He appears to be under the assumption that the name is so good that its destined to succeed.

I was just messin with ya, cause I've seen you drop the domain in a few webcam related threads with the hint that it could sell for a lot. I actually don't like cameragirls at all for the cam niche, seems to be better suited for the glamour model niche. However, AWE is using cameraboys.com for their male site, so who knows. I'd approach AWE with an offer and see what their response is, would compliment their male site nicely. I would at least have it forwarding to a cam affiliate link or do one of the quick and easy white labels.

I agree with you, or he could just put a cobrand on it and pull in his 15-35k a year and recoup his investment after about 14 years. Because I believe he substantially overpaid for the domain, this isn't going to be a 6-12 month flip and he'll be forced to develop it. He really needs an investor/partner with experience in the cam niche to come in and help him understand all that its going to take to get something developed.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:Oh crap

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:Oh crap

and the price would be?

I've seen half a dozen cam sites with 2 or 3 models online and a page with the
offline models, some have a schedule when they'll be online. Sometimes they have
0 models online yet they're turning a business. You don't need to start big.

We'll all be patiently waiting. Please show us how it's done.

so your saying camgirls.com is worth more than porn.com?

riiight.