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Agent 488 06-10-2009 02:59 AM

great investment. don't listen to the haters.

Mickey_ 06-10-2009 03:13 AM

Good luck with the domain, let us know if you need any help (you've got Dave's email address).
I didn't read the whole thread, but a word of advice: You might want to reconsider the "50% profit" in addition to some of the other figures in your equation and projection.

Pleasurepays 06-10-2009 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 15942162)
Pleasurepays, i SEE what you mean now :)

btw, are you still running your previous company in this space ?
If not wtf are you upto these days ?? Still happily married to a russian women ??

pure comedy right??

he clearly doesn't have the maturity or simple common sense that would come from actually building a company and making 350k. i'm guessing he inherited money or his family bought it for him or something similar. his logical deductions as to why domain A will logically generate more revenue than domain B are quite funny.

sold the old cam stuff... but, i am very close to getting back into it in a very big way. have a few very good mainstream domains in development and ready to launch.

still married ... going on year 9 now.

how have you been? :)

Pleasurepays 06-10-2009 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942145)
If you think within 10 years I can't get 100 camgirls online that's denial.

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

Pay per minute is where it's at. :)

50% profit? haha

so... how much traffic will that require? where will that traffic come from? assume girls you have only private 1 on 1 sessions and no other type of chat/business model and the girls need to be in private 20% of the time to be worth their time... how many users does that require? how much traffic would it require to get to that level where you have that many users?

you're very funny.

i'm still curious where you got 350k from. it might be hard to talk about... but seriously, which one of your parents died and left you the money? was it more than 350K or did you blow your whole inheritance on a single domain name?

Manowar 06-10-2009 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slavdogg (Post 15942064)
350k is a reasonable investment here.
As long as the owner can avg about 50k a year with this name, than 350k investment was well worth it.

350k was not a steal by any means, and it was more than cams.com or webcams.com were purchased for just few years ago. Like i said if the new owner can do 50k a year or better, than it was clearly a good investment IMO. Its no where near 50k a year now, maybe 10-15k a year now so the new owner will have to put in some work and grow that traffic from current avg of around 150-200 uniques / day

i thought cams was 750k? lensman to lars

cam_girls 06-10-2009 04:43 AM

About 150,000 hits a day. In 10 years that is.

But cam traffic pays well, so 10,000 hits a day would pay for the domain
in a few months.

BlackCrayon 06-10-2009 04:47 AM

Awesome domain with great potential however it seems you know nothing about adult and did not do research prior. I guess 350k isn't that big of a deal to you? Either way, I'm sure you'll do fine with it. If you don't need to make money back instantly you have time to learn.

Nicky 06-10-2009 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942773)
But cam traffic pays well, so 10,000 hits a day would pay for the domain
in a few months.

I've read this whole thread and all I can say is that you are heavily delusional

PSSuperstars 06-10-2009 06:57 AM

I don't even think you realize what your profit margin will be once you are open...
Your profit will be.. at most, 17ish% percent.. 20% will be pushing it... 10% is more realistic..

by the time you've paid for bandwidth, girls, affiliates, hosting, tech support people 24/7... not to mention the initial big ass investment of getting started..

Yngwie 06-10-2009 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942168)
Point out the flaw before you get defensive. Is it getting 100 camgirls online
or the profit calculation?

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

A dozen sites have managed to get 100s of camgirls online, so what's your objection?

those calculations are under the assumption that EVERY cam girl you would have is busy with a viewer 24/7/365.. That's where your calculations are flawed. Sure, you can have 100 cam girls, but how much traffic does the site get? Do you think any cam girls will stick around if they get 1 or 2 viewers every few days?

Also, who's to say that the traffic that you do get will actually spend money? What if you only get 2000 uniques per day and out of that only 10 actually spend money? You would have to work your ass off to grow the traffic and drastically increase your member base in order to make it worth it for everyone involved.

Than you have your expenses, hosting, design etc.. etc.. There are many factors here. It's not just a simple XX + XX * XX = XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX calculation.

The key here is hard work.

LoveSandra 06-10-2009 07:22 AM

good luck ..

MikeSmoke 06-10-2009 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 15942458)
I was just messin with ya, cause I've seen you drop the domain in a few webcam related threads with the hint that it could sell for a lot. I actually don't like cameragirls at all for the cam niche, seems to be better suited for the glamour model niche. However, AWE is using cameraboys.com for their male site, so who knows. I'd approach AWE with an offer and see what their response is, would compliment their male site nicely. I would at least have it forwarding to a cam affiliate link or do one of the quick and easy white labels.

It's OK...I know you're just playing...so am I :) I just drop it into the threads because it makes me laugh to do it...I know it's no camgirls.com :winkwink:

It's only down temporarily, I'm re-working what I'm doing with it, wasn't happy with its performance under its previous incarnation.

MikeSmoke 06-10-2009 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0lf4c3 (Post 15942480)
and the price would be?

The price would be the best reasonable offer :winkwink:
smokesigs AT earthlink DOT net

HorseShit 06-10-2009 07:32 AM

wow, this guy is retarded LOL

Nicky 06-10-2009 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yngwie (Post 15943249)
Also, who's to say that the traffic that you do get will actually spend money? What if you only get 2000 uniques per day and out of that only 10 actually spend money?

I doubt he will start out with a 1:200 revshare spending ratio. More like he will be lucky if 3-4 people spend money out of 2000.

JamesK 06-10-2009 08:52 AM

Wow, this guy is clueless.

I wish you good luck though. I'm sure you'll learn a lot about the business and eventually succeed in a couple of years.

NikKay 06-10-2009 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942111)
It's on $30K per year now using pay per order, lifetime commision supposedly pays
more after a while. OK cams.com, livejasmin.com, webcams.com, imlive.com,
hotcams.com and a few other big sites all worked pretty hard. But even if I only
get 1% as big as these sites I'm gonna retire with 20 million.

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by
all logic should overtake camgirlslive.com

Do you think the traffic to camgirlslive.com is type-in traffic? Where do you think it came from and how much do you think it costs? Where are your estimates for traffic expenses? What's your marketing plan? Have you even tested what you're doing with the site now to ensure the best ROI from your current traffic? Have you considered building something on your site instead of redirecting the traffic to start working on your search engine rankings? Why are you wasting your time posting on boards when you don't yet have a product to sell to anyone?

Bossman 06-10-2009 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 15942289)
Don't get me wrong, I love the name, its easily brandable and a top ten live cam domain. However, I agree with pleasurepays, with 350k to start a live cam business I'd rather spend less than 50k on the name and put the rest into startup costs and advertising and building a successful affiliate program.

Agreed its in the top of cam domains - however $50K is that enough to get it going? I know we are sitting on one of the other top cam domains out there, and its has not been money holding us back, but rather not ending up spending money on "another cam site" in the ocean of cam sites :)

tranza 06-10-2009 09:55 AM

This thread is just too funny, really.

That cam_girls guy is just hilarious. He can't be for real.

lazycash 06-10-2009 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman (Post 15943808)
Agreed its in the top of cam domains - however $50K is that enough to get it going? I know we are sitting on one of the other top cam domains out there, and its has not been money holding us back, but rather not ending up spending money on "another cam site" in the ocean of cam sites :)

I'm confused by your post, my example said spend 50k on the name and the other 300k on getting it going. I think you could get something going with 50k, but that will probably run out soon. So if I hear you correctly, you've invested in a premium cam domain but aren't sure you want to proceed with development because the current market is saturated? Any chance you'd want to tell us your domain, is it webcam.com ? Is your domain strictly adult cam related or could it go mainstream, I have some ideas how you could develop it without entering the saturated adult pay per min market.

Agent 488 06-10-2009 10:02 AM

you should look into teaming up with a guy named jon clark. togther you could revolutionize the cam world.

HorseShit 06-10-2009 10:04 AM

jc + lc + cg = gold

lazycash 06-10-2009 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942773)
About 150,000 hits a day. In 10 years that is.

But cam traffic pays well, so 10,000 hits a day would pay for the domain
in a few months.

Its idiotic to throw that out there, there's too many variables. I've seen you say a few times that "cam traffic pays well". I know affiliates who send 10k hits a day and only make $100-$200/day. Cam traffic is just like other adult traffic, there's good and bad. The majority of cam traffic will be looky loos, those that are just on the site to browse the cams and eat up the bandwidth without paying a dime.

Bossman 06-10-2009 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 15943881)
I'm confused by your post, my example said spend 50k on the name and the other 300k on getting it going.

Sorry, I made a mistake... you are correct, makes alot more sense with $300k on traffic :)

rowan 06-10-2009 10:37 AM

Here's an earlier thread that will also make your jaw drop.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=902728

Bossman 06-10-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 15943881)
Any chance you'd want to tell us your domain, is it webcam.com ? Is your domain strictly adult cam related or could it go mainstream, I have some ideas how you could develop it without entering the saturated adult pay per min market.

Not webcam.com, and its strictly adult... better just watch how this thread plays out, before driving away attention :1orglaugh But feel free to hit me up, if anyone who wish to talk more cam sex opportunities :winkwink:

Atticus 06-10-2009 01:07 PM

This thread is LOLtastic!! :thumbsup

cam_girls 06-10-2009 02:36 PM

I've rubbed your guys faces in it too long HAHA, didn't know I'd snag so many suckers.

We'll see in 12 months who's earning more, all your $30 per month memberships or
my $5 a minute at CAMGIRLS.

HorseShit 06-10-2009 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15945470)
I've rubbed your guys faces in it too long HAHA, didn't know I'd snag so many suckers.

We'll see in 12 months who's earning more, all your $30 per month memberships or
my $5 a minute at CAMGIRLS.

I can't wait to grab it on snapnames for $800 in a year when you can't afford to re-register it and it expires.

lazycash 06-10-2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15945470)
I've rubbed your guys faces in it too long HAHA, didn't know I'd snag so many suckers.

We'll see in 12 months who's earning more, all your $30 per month memberships or
my $5 a minute at CAMGIRLS.

I'll be sure to bump this thread in a year when your domain will be still forwarded to another cam site and not your own. Oh, and out of that $5 min, you'll be profiting only about 50 cents.

Webmaster Army 06-10-2009 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 15945534)
I'll be sure to bump this thread in a year when your domain will be still forwarded to another cam site and not your own. Oh, and out of that $5 min, you'll be profiting only about 50 cents.

That's after a year or two of promo, if you know what you're doing...

lagcam 06-10-2009 03:25 PM

I find it hard to believe somebody would shell out $350k on a domain without a definite game plan regardless of how the postings are coming over.

How do we know the guy posting as cam_girls is the actual owner btw?

greg80 06-10-2009 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942324)
1,500 hits is about $700 a day for an affiliate. Some sites they get a lot less than
1/3 of the time in pay mode and still stay online.

I'll sell you a site that sends 3000 hits to cam site per day. Only $100k. Your traffic problem is solved :)

cam_girls 06-10-2009 03:37 PM

Do you give every new poster the "don't even try to make an adult website,
it's just too hard" treatment?

For such a tough industry I've never seen a bigger crowd of pussies.

The only companies advertising here are cam sites, that should be a clue, you
naysayers have blinkers on, live sex is the future. And the monopolies (olygopolies)
will be the new telecom giants. Video conferencing will be 90% camgirls, what else?

Unless teleco see how's big the industry is and install video phones into every home,
but that's 50 years away.

papill0n 06-10-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942324)
1,500 hits is about $700 a day for an affiliate.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

greg80 06-10-2009 03:43 PM

xedoc didn't buy the name, that tell's it all

papill0n 06-10-2009 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15945695)
Do you give every new poster the "don't even try to make an adult website,
it's just too hard" treatment?

For such a tough industry I've never seen a bigger crowd of pussies.

The only companies advertising here are cam sites, that should be a clue, you
naysayers have blinkers on, live sex is the future. And the monopolies (olygopolies)
will be the new telecom giants. Video conferencing will be 90% camgirls, what else?

Unless teleco see how's big the industry is and install video phones into every home,
but that's 50 years away.

you are a fucking idiot man - people are responding to the shit you are dribbling and fuck me you are dribbling a lot of it :1orglaugh

Nicky 06-10-2009 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 15943898)
jc + lc + cg = gold

Millions in the making :)

cam_girls 06-10-2009 03:51 PM

You talk a lot but you can't actually refute anything I say.

Nicky 06-10-2009 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 15945709)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yea..... I wish it were though :(


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