I can make $30K a year as an affiliate, going white label with commision payouts could make that $50K a year. What are you going to do with your $10K to make 50 times your investment in 10 years?

ok so you make 50k a year on a white label its going to take you 7 years to just break even

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OMG I almost piss myself, and on top of it all you could bark over $350K to get this domain name???????????? How on earth?:helpme

One of Boneprones fakenicks ?????

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In theory he still has the value of the domain. So if he can make $50k on the white label per year (huge if) in 7 years he will have earned $350k but he can also sell his domain (might be worth what he paid for it by then depending on the market.)

In that case he's returning over 14% on his investment per year. Great return but I highly doubt his numbers are correct. But based on his responses to this thread this is by far his best and most viable option.

Yeah, at 10%, the lowest payout in the industry, its insulting. Your owner has already stated on this board he feels affiliates only deserve 14 days of revshare. You guys got so much flack over this that you finally came out with a lifetime revshare. All you did was offset this by starting it at 10%, give me a break.

Same thing I did with $0 starting in cams way back in 2000, put up websites that convert and drive traffic to them. If I had to start over with $10,000 it would just give me a jump start.

I agree but if I had a program that had 14 day cookies and thousands of affiliates still pushed it anyway... I guess I'd be an asshole. :)

Again, I would just like to correct this for the record: lifetime payouts increase up to 20% as you make more sales. In addition, the person you're referring to is not and never was the owner of AWE and no longer works for the company.

By the way, if you have the right traffic, we have the custom percentage to match :thumbsup

but this is not the topic of the thread so I don't want to digress

I was referring to this post http://www.gfy.com/15942662-post82.html

You didn't need to correct anything, I correctly stated that your cobrand lifetime revshare starts at a measly 10%. So you're telling me that the post from 2 years ago by the individual claiming to be an owner, was not? If he wasn't an owner he sure must have had a big say so in affiliate payout structure.

My problem with your company has always been your blatant deceptive tactics. I've been promoting cams for over a decade and revshare has always meant lifetime within the cam niche. Your company comes on the scene a few years back and begins paying your revshare with a 14 day cookie without notifying your affiliates. It took many months and a mutiny on your own board for your company to come clean. Even now, a prospective affiliate looking at your program would have no idea that your revshare is only 14 days. Its not in your "benefits" or "faq" section on your affiliate site. The name of your revshare program should be called "14 day Revshare", but you won't do this because you want to attract as much affiliate traffic as possible before they realize what's going on.

Yeah don't get me wrong, they've got a nice thing going and I don't see them changing the 14 day revshare anytime soon. Its just too bad that the overwhelming majority of their affiliates have no idea they are only getting revshare for 14 days. They've got great sites, nice tools and tons of nice camgirls. However, anyone thats been promoting cams for several years knows that no matter how well a site converts, if you're not promoting lifetime revshare over a 14 day revshare, you're inevitably leaving money on the table.

It's listed in the "terms" section.

Yes, its hidden in your terms, how many of your new webmasters read your entire TOS? Why wouldn't you put it right out front and center so all current and prospective webmasters can properly evaluate your program? Call your payout program "14 day revshare", since every other cam sponsor's revshare program is for life.

its not just about breaking even in 7 years, (which is a good #)
he's getting 15% return on this cash
thats much better than most people can get on their cash

so like i said in my previous post, if he can get 50k a year, he'll be doing just fine and domain was well worth it. However i highly doubt he's making even 30k a year. I still believe he's somewhere in the 10-15k a year range.

20% is about 50% less than everyone else offers
industry avg is about 30-40% lifetime, not some bullshit 20% you guys offer.
Not to mention your co-brands and whitelabels are not true co-brands of whitelabels as you call them. I know you guys tried to describe em as different from private labels, but in reality they all mean the same thing. And what you guys offer is some cheap version of a co-brand

otherwise its an interesting discussion going on here.
camgirls is not listening to what others are saying
others dont understand what camgirls is trying to tell ya
its like watching 2 retards play volleyball without a ball

AWE actually only pays 10% on their cobrands, 20% is the max tier. I think most of us understand what camgirls is trying to say, but he's clearly shown a naivety in outlining how he's going to achieve his goals.

According to Dave-AWE's post on another board you need to be generating $500k+ in gross sales to get the top 20% tier for an AWE cobrand. I don't know if this is per period, per month, per year... whatever, seems like a lot of hard work when another company would give even small affiliates that much.

Yeah funny how Dave failed to mention this above when he corrected me saying their cobrand can make up to 20%.

He's taking the DonnyLong approach to business.. and he obv knows more than ALL OF YOU who have been working the cam biz for a long time.. so why bother trying to tell him anything?

I didn't bother reading the entire thread but did he say he had a plan for recruiting models/studios and keeping the models online? Even some of the biggest webcam sites out there struggle and spent tons of $ on this part.. ?

edit: just found this: "100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days= $43 million a year"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA you haven't worked with cam models much have you? :)

O.K. So by his logic....since American's spend $10 billion on porn a year....

Porn.com is worth $10 billion dollars?

Men.com is just printing paper since there are so many men on the earth!

Domain names ain't shit :2 cents: it's what you do with the name.

Lots of people are laughing at that calc but nobody's providing any better figures.

Let's take Cams.com with a revised estimate

400 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $3/min X 30% profit X 60 X 24 X 365
= $63,072,000

According to their financial statement they make $5 million per month profit
or $60 million per year, so the estimate is pretty good.

Now consider AWEmpire, LiveJasmin has up to 3000 models online and 8 other sites
with up to 2000 models online each. Say total 8000 online models 24/7

a billion dollars per year, $3 million a day.

There's many thousands of keyword domains that are successful sites and get
great SE traffic and own the monopoly for that category. Yes you can use
a brandable instead but who can predict how successful a brandable will be.

Practically all good camsites have good domains, AWEmpire.com is the exception but
they have a clever affiliate domain instead.

But with this figure you are counting on these models to steadily work.. I'm asking you again, do you have any experience working with webcam models?
Do you have a plan to recruit models or studios? You're gna need American girls to pull in all of the $ and foreign girls as fillers, do you know how to get Czech or asian studios?
Also, you are comparing yourself to the biggest cam sites out there, some of these sites were some of the very first cam sites to hit the net.. For every 1 huge successful cam site out there there are 50 rinky dink cam sites w a couple of girls and not enough traffic.. I know because these sites hit me up every day and promise me the world to just come LOOK at their sites hehe.. shouldn't you be comparing yourself to one of these smaller sites that are still trying to "get on their feet"? than one of the multi-million dollars companies that have been in business for a very long time?

well the second part of what you say is true BUT i think you're saying that domain names aint worth shit unless you develop them into real websites and brand them - which is wrong, look at all the domainers like Slavdogg in this thread who make millions with domain names just selling the traffic from them without developing them.

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sent you a message on ICQ

how about you look at it a different way. i've been in cams since 98. how about we look at the 10,000 sites that tried and failed and stop talking about the handful that have seen phenomenal success.

their success comes from their affiliate programs, thier connections, their friendships, their marketing efforts etc. not from their domain names. in fact, cams.com was a domain aquired YEARS after their sites were online and simply became the main face of a network of cam sites.

you keep doing math.. but you have no clue where those numbers come from. you seem to think livejasmin.com is the best webcam domain ever, hence their success.

He should have waited, he could have gotten livecams.com for 200k.

what a thread.

Looking at all the cam sites there's a very strong correlation between good domain
and good site. The only exception are the AWEmpire domains but they have a
good afilliate domain instead. It's not rocket science, intellectual property is a key
ingredient to business. I don't see reason for all the woes.

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Ohhh but he is doing that shit so good on here right now :pimp

please keep going man

this is top 10 epic fail material

since you started posting yeh

god you are a moron aren't you

have you not heard one word about the domain from all of those who have been in the cam biz for years ahead of you

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I am doing a thread patrol ..

So what's your solution then? Just don't bother developing?

Half say it won't take off, half say it will, so why not just put something up and see.
Plenty of sites are making money with just a few camgirls online that's still a few
dollars a minute profit you don't need millions in promotion.

This again... really? :Oh crap

What about awempire.com makes it a good affiliate domain? You would have no idea its related to cams and probably not even realize its a sponsor. Face it, they decided to spend $10/domain and use the bulk of their early funding on developing an affiliate program, traffic generation and creating lots of studio relationships to offer a huge supply of camgirls. For years cams.com(streamray) main site was camgirlslive.com and it only changed about four years ago when they acquired cams.com. Those programs were not made by a fabulous top tier name, but instead used their initial capital to build the program. What kind of resources to you have to build a successful program under your new domain?

fuck em man. i think they are just trying to discourage you to stop new competition.