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lazycash 08-05-2009 05:29 PM
Great advice Will, I agree with you that he should just do a white label and take the small profits assuming the type in traffic stays steady. He has no cash flow at all to develop anything so he'd have to give up a majority of his profits to bring in the necessary partners to complete the scope of project he keeps referring to. I also think he's quite a bit older than you presume. He's been posting on other forums for the last 6 years, mostly buying and selling small priced domains. I'm guessing he fell into a bunch of money, probably an inheritance and decided to spend it all on this domain.

lazycash 08-05-2009 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16150199)
Cam_Girls :

I'm sorry but I respectfully withdraw my offer to you. This thread is FULL of Fantastic advice from lots of very smart people in the industry, and you are throwing all out. If we were going to partner up with someone on a LiveCamNetwork license, we would need them to be like some of the freaking brainiacs who have posted some top-level advice in this tread, not someone who throws it all away.

In my opinion, you have a great domain name. It's easily worth the $350,000 that was paid for it, but only to the right company or person that knows how to take serious advantage of it. So far I don't think that you are that person.

What you may want to consider doing is selling the domain and be happy with the quick return on your investment, or find a good partner who knows what they are doing, and then BACK AWAY and let that partner do their thing and make money with it.

Good luck to you.
I think you're smart Mark, I didn't say anything at the time because I didn't want to ruin the offer. I think you would have given him your license for free, because I don't think he would have ever gotten anything off the ground and you would have received 8.5% of nothing. I gotta disagree with you on him being able to get a quick return on the domain at the pricepoint he paid.

rowan 08-05-2009 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16150199)
Cam_Girls :

I'm sorry but I respectfully withdraw my offer to you. This thread is FULL of Fantastic advice from lots of very smart people in the industry, and you are throwing all out. If we were going to partner up with someone on a LiveCamNetwork license, we would need them to be like some of the freaking brainiacs who have posted some top-level advice in this tread, not someone who throws it all away.
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mmcfadden 08-05-2009 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16150751)
Great advice Will, I agree with you that he should just do a white label and take the small profits assuming the type in traffic stays steady. He has no cash flow at all to develop anything so he'd have to give up a majority of his profits to bring in the necessary partners to complete the scope of project he keeps referring to. I also think he's quite a bit older than you presume. He's been posting on other forums for the last 6 years, mostly buying and selling small priced domains. I'm guessing he fell into a bunch of money, probably an inheritance and decided to spend it all on this domain.
And how do you know he fell into a bunch of money and spent illwise?

Just asking... cause i got the same feeling. Anywho...

cam_girls 08-05-2009 06:42 PM
for the 3rd time I need an affiliate program. I have a great script in the works so it's just a couple thousand targeted hits a day I'm after. If I can keep a couple models online it should do ok, lots of sites are like that.

Anyone want to team up try me at sales AT camgirls DOT com

lazycash 08-05-2009 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 16150900)
And how do you know he fell into a bunch of money and spent illwise?

Just asking... cause i got the same feeling. Anywho...

I have no idea how he came up with the 300k, (he needed help to come up with the last 50k). In some of his other posts on another forum not so long ago he had trouble coming up with $60 to buy a domain, then a year later he has 300k to blow on one domain, hence my inheritance comment.

lazycash 08-05-2009 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16150958)
for the 3rd time I need an affiliate program. I have a great script in the works so it's just a couple thousand targeted hits a day I'm after. If I can keep a couple models online it should do ok, lots of sites are like that.

Anyone want to team up try me at sales AT camgirls DOT com
Get a product first and then work on the affiliate program. You're going to have an extremely difficult time attracting any affiliates to a cam site with just a couple of girls online, when they can send their traffic to programs offering $100+ per sale and have 100+ girls online.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151006)
Get a product first and then work on the affiliate program. You're going to have an extremely difficult time attracting any affiliates to a cam site with just a couple of girls online, when they can send their traffic to programs offering $100+ per sale and have 100+ girls online.
I was referring to white labels and 2much lack of affiliate programs, you can't add one when the site gets going.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16150976)
I have no idea how he came up with the 300k, (he needed help to come up with the last 50k). In some of his other posts on another forum not so long ago he had trouble coming up with $60 to buy a domain, then a year later he has 300k to blow on one domain, hence my inheritance comment.
What are you reading all my 950 posts? Weirdo

When did I ask for $60?

lazycash 08-05-2009 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151021)
I was referring to white labels and 2much lack of affiliate programs, you can't add one when the site gets going.
Its comments like these that tell all of us that you really have no clue what you are doing.

lazycash 08-05-2009 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151025)
What are you reading all my 950 posts? Weirdo

When did I ask for $60?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151025)
I won the pool backorder on VitalityShop.com and need $60 to
cover it within a couple days.

smutty.net is for quick sale!

Post up your best offer, highest bid over $65 over the next couple
of days wins it!
What's funny though is a couple months after you bought it you realized what a shitty domain it is and you post this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151025)
vitalityshop.com (domainstobeseen.com own account)

All free transfer
$19 each

mmcfadden 08-05-2009 08:01 PM
cold feet...

350k... that's a downpayment and livin like a rockstar for 1 year... i'd get cold feet too.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151075)
Its comments like these that tell all of us that you really have no clue what you are doing.
I said I needed an affiliate program.

You said work that out later.

I clarified I was referring to Mark's offer as to why I wasn't interested.

Then you say that I have no clue.

More likely you can't follow an argument and resort to ad homs when it's pointed out.

I bought that domain 5 years ago you moron, not last year. I asked you WHEN did I post that.

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:12 PM
You said this in regard to an affiliate program, "you can't add one when the site gets going."

Can you explain why you said that?

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151021)
I was referring to white labels and 2much lack of affiliate programs, you can't add one when the site gets going.
Why do you keep referring to white labels when mentioning Mark (2much), he wasn't offering you a white label at all. I get the feeling you don't really understand what Mark was offering you.

dav3 08-05-2009 08:20 PM
in before suicide

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151137)
You said this in regard to an affiliate program, "you can't add one when the site gets going."

Can you explain why you said that?
good misquote moron.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151150)
Why do you keep referring to white labels when mentioning Mark (2much), he wasn't offering you a white label at all. I get the feeling you don't really understand what Mark was offering you.
That's why I said white label AND 2much, to note the difference. You don't read too well.

mmcfadden 08-05-2009 08:25 PM
Take care of your body. It's the only place you have to live.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16150199)
find a good partner who knows what they are doing, and then BACK AWAY and let that partner do their thing and make money with it.
That's a low blow, you get to work on the sites and I doubt you even have a degree in computer science! :1orglaugh

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151021)
I was referring to white labels and 2much lack of affiliate programs, you can't add one when the site gets going.
There, I quoted the whole thing, it was no intentional misquote. Please explain that statement.

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151188)
That's a low blow, you get to work on the sites and I doubt you even have a degree in computer science! :1orglaugh
It wasn't a low blow at all, it was some very sound advice. Its apparent to everyone in the couple of the threads regarding your domain that you don't know what you are doing and you'd be better off putting your project in the hands of someone who does.

2MuchMark 08-05-2009 08:40 PM
Cam_Girls:

I'm not sure where you got this, but LiveCamNetwork isn't a White Label plug-in program. It's a complete system, installed on your domain, using your billing provider. It doesn't need a built-in affiliate program because you can use the affiliate program provided by your biller, or you can plug NATS in instead.

One good thing about this thread: We have been hit up twice (1 done deal, + 1 inquiry with tons of questions) already!

See everyone at Internext!

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:40 PM
How can you add an affiliate program when they host the script?

I asked Mark if he could add one and he didn't respond.

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151212)
How can you add an affiliate program when they host the script?

I asked Mark if he could add one and he didn't respond.
What do you think hotcams.com is?

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151207)
It wasn't a low blow at all, it was some very sound advice. Its apparent to everyone in the couple of the threads regarding your domain that you don't know what you are doing and you'd be better off putting your project in the hands of someone who does.
I've programmed more websites than the 2 of you put together.

2MuchMark 08-05-2009 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151188)
That's a low blow, you get to work on the sites and I doubt you even have a degree in computer science! :1orglaugh
Who here does? My programmers have all kinds of degrees, but my last formal computer training was in high school.. (Basic, Fortran, Cobol (wow!)). I did scream through 4 years of computer science in only 1 and a half years though which was pretty cool I think. (Worst subject: French!). Everything else, like 99% of the people here I think, is self taught.

You just reminded me. The best book I ever bought : "Learning HTML 3.1", back in 1996 or something like that. I still have it. It was the genisis of everything I do today. Cool..!

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151215)
What do you think hotcams.com is?

Right they have an aff. program. I did enquire about that. But if a service doesn't have an affiliate program then it's unlikely to get one added.

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151216)
I've programmed more websites than the 2 of you put together.
And you know this how?

lazycash 08-05-2009 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151223)
Right they have an aff. program. I did enquire about that. But if a service doesn't have an affiliate program then it's unlikely to get one added.

Huh, you can add an affiliate program to just about anything at any time. Hotcams.com is a streamate cobrand, with a full backend of cams already going. Just like epiccams.com, slickcams.com and a dozen others are doing. I recommended you do the same thing two months ago.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151225)
And you know this how?
You don't come across as PHP and SQL gurus to me.

If you have some original code to demo then by all means.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151236)
Huh, you can add an affiliate program to just about anything at any time. Hotcams.com is a streamate cobrand, with a full backend of cams already going. Just like epiccams.com, slickcams.com and a dozen others are doing. I recommended you do the same thing two months ago.
They are all streamate, that's 1 white label who does it who haven't got back to me except 1 email.

lazycash 08-05-2009 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151245)
They are all streamate, that's 1 white label who does it who haven't got back to me except 1 email.
Are you emailing streamate or Mtree? You might have a hard time getting approved for one since you don't have a history of sales with them or large flow of traffic. However, they may work with you just based on your domain.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151262)
Are you emailing streamate or Mtree? You might have a hard time getting approved for one since you don't have a history of sales with them or large flow of traffic. However, they may work with you just based on your domain.
Mtree, they said they'd test the traffic first as an affiliate. Then they didn't get back to me I'll follow it up.

lazycash 08-05-2009 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151286)
Mtree, they said they'd test the traffic first as an affiliate. Then they didn't get back to me I'll follow it up.
Well they want you to sign up as an affiliate and forward your domain to your affiliate link so they could see how much traffic you have. I had a feeling they'd say that, they don't have an open program where anyone can sign up for a white label and are picky who they choose to work with. I have over 5000 sales with them and last time I inquired they wouldn't give me one.

cam_girls 08-05-2009 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16151336)
Well they want you to sign up as an affiliate and forward your domain to your affiliate link so they could see how much traffic you have. I had a feeling they'd say that, they don't have an open program where anyone can sign up for a white label and are picky who they choose to work with. I have over 5000 sales with them and last time I inquired they wouldn't give me one.
Yeh I'll go ahead and contact them after a couple weeks forwarding traffic, they said they'd give me more info so I wasn't sure.

CYF 08-05-2009 09:34 PM
No offense but I think if you were such a php/sql guru you'd have some kind of custom site up after owning the domain for 5 years.

Slutboat 08-05-2009 09:36 PM
Have you guys heard of Dave Matthews from esensual networks - he coded an pretty nice cam system with billing - http://www.esensualnetworks.com/services.php

lazycash 08-05-2009 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16151353)
Yeh I'll go ahead and contact them after a couple weeks forwarding traffic, they said they'd give me more info so I wasn't sure.
Even if they don't grant you one, I think you'll find their affiliate program will pay you a nice $/unique since they count a sale simply when the surfer verifies his credit card, even if he never makes a purchase.

papill0n 08-05-2009 10:21 PM
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


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