Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16194689)

You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 16194689)

You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16194807)

LOL!

Someone said almost this exact same analogy about this thread to me the other week. Told me a story about how some douche spent like $200k having a custom bike built, then he comes to pick it up and he can't even ride! Turned out he got the money for it from his INLAWS!

Too funny :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by John Marco (Post 16199469)

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Originally Posted by John Marco (Post 16199469)

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Originally Posted by cam_girls

thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16199987)

According to the AFF IPO statement, Cams.com profit in 2007 was 32 million.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...390/i10357.htm
Gross profit: (in thousands)
Streamray 32,683

Thanks for your offer, if you can offer 2% of revenue with the deal then I would be interested. Daniel knows how to contact me, cheers.

Originally Posted by John Marco (Post 16199469)

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Originally Posted by John Marco (Post 16199469)

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16201150)

This thread is sadder than AlphaSky's Apple Twins. Cam_girls should be jumping at one of the offers to get his money back on that domain since he has no clue what to do with it. Unless he has another few hundred grand to spend develop the domain and a program and learn quickly as he does it.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16199151)

thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups.

And don't quote me and just post a laugh smiley I'm just chatting

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16203347)

My advice (TO HIM because of the way he acts) would be to put a white label on it and forget you own it, just collect the checks each month. I am not sure how much it truely makes him a month but even if it took 15 - 20 years to get back his (errr his Daddy's) 350K he would be better off than selling it and blowing the cash on shit. The domain should go up in value over time as well.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16203347)

My advice (TO HIM because of the way he acts) would be to put a white label on it and forget you own it, just collect the checks each month. I am not sure how much it truely makes him a month but even if it took 15 - 20 years to get back his (errr his Daddy's) 350K he would be better off than selling it and blowing the cash on shit. The domain should go up in value over time as well.

Originally Posted by AaliyahLove (Post 16203550)

I don't know any cam girl that would work for $10 an hour.. $10 a minute maybe! And you assume these girls are dependable and will work a set schedule.. I have girls that will work 40 hours one week then disappear for the next two weeks.. I have girls that are happy working 5 hours a week no matter how much they make..they work when they want and $10 a day def isn't going to keep them on your system.
Also, when the girls log in and find out you have no traffic and a rinky dink set up, what is going to keep them from contacting people like me and switching over to Streamates (for example) :)

Seems like everyone in this thread, people who have been working the cam biz since it STARTED, are all trying to give you advice, and all you are doing is telling them to fuck off and that you know better than them, with 0 experience to back you up. Just a URL.. why are you so cocky? why do you think you know better than these guys? And how far do you think you are going to go now that you have alienated and insulted every person you will prob be turning to for advice and help down the road?

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205113)

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie who thinks they already know more than those who've been doing it for a decade, you're gonna catch a lot of grief.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942111)

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942111)

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942111)

1,500 hits is about $700 a day for an affiliate.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 15942111)

But cam traffic pays well, so 10,000 hits a day would pay for the domain
in a few months.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205113)

It's $10 an hour just for occasional free chat, they wouldn't have to be performing all day just ready to. Some sites offer $2/hour incentive to stay online. They also get the private money.

Why are you justifying a huge gang attack on me and turning it around, with everyone slagging me off and most of the advice is just I can't make it. What are you all objecting to, you just all make up this big generalisation every post.

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.



Just send me an email and work out the % and I'll set the DNS to your servers, idiot proof! :1orglaugh
sales AT camgirls DOT com

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205113)

It's $10 an hour just for occasional free chat, they wouldn't have to be performing all day just ready to. Some sites offer $2/hour incentive to stay online. They also get the private money.

Why are you justifying a huge gang attack on me and turning it around, with everyone slagging me off and most of the advice is just I can't make it. What are you all objecting to, you just all make up this big generalisation every post.

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.



Just send me an email and work out the % and I'll set the DNS to your servers, idiot proof! :1orglaugh
sales AT camgirls DOT com

Originally Posted by Sam Ozborn (Post 16205199)

i guess you had all this numbers in your mind paying 350k for generic terms 2 words blanc domain and what ass you take them out of?

so you counted every girl to make private shows 8 hours a day? half hour a day for an average girl on big 100+ camgirls sites must be a big news for you, so here your formula fixed
100 camgirls X 1/48(1/24) workload X $3/min X 20% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days= $657000(1.314m) a year

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205384)

Who have I insulted who just offered advice?

I did take LazyCash advice and went with mtree? OK?

Check my post above, click the link to the Adult Friend Finder IPO data. Search "Gross Profit"

90% of the advice is it's not worth $350K. I disagree, I think it's going to be big, so stick that everyone! HAHA now don't go quoting me whinging he said this, he said that... it's all BS

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205571)

Congratulations on being the only person to post alternate figures. I just checked Cams.com and they have 306 models online and 232 free. That's 1/4 in private. Who would work all day for 30 mins * $1.50? Oh yeah I know, I'm just a hamburger stand don't mention big sites, deary me.

Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 16203561)

set it and forget it!

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205571)

Congratulations on being the only person to post alternate figures. I just checked Cams.com and they have 306 models online and 232 free. That's 1/4 in private. Who would work all day for 30 mins * $1.50? Oh yeah I know, I'm just a hamburger stand don't mention big sites, deary me.

Originally Posted by John Marco (Post 16199469)

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16205113)

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16205963)

Did you totally skip over John Marco's post?




Where are you??? I figured the Mickey D's reference might put things in perspective, guess not. I'm sorry, but guestimations of your potential for profit based on a 2 year old IPO of a company that took years and years to build are fantasy land follie, and not to knock anyone's dick in the dirt, but have you been paying attention to where that stands lately?

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Right now it's like you're sitting at the table with only an ace in your hand putting it all on the line counting on the 4 cards you need to get a royal flush falling in your lap.

A strong domain only has potential when in the hands of a capable person and you have no business plan.

Going back to the card reference and you with your Ace.... If I've got a K, Q, J, 10 what makes me need YOUR ace? There are other aces in the deck, or I can get my straight by getting a 9... Maybe I'll make my own luck.

What I'm trying to get at is you have one component, to make a business work you need alot more than just a domain, and as you have seen with successes such as livejasmine, it's not always necessary. And although you have a strong domain, it's not a one word domain, it's not as strong as cams.com, or webcams.com. Someone else could easily go out on their own and negotiate the purchase of an equally as strong domain and not have to pay a dead weight partner out a percentage of the earnings over an indefinite period of time.

Just a few domains that are currently for sale-

mycam.com
youcam.com
partycam.com
webcamcentral.com
camcast.com
camhub.com
fetishcam.com
etc..

Let's take camdivas.com for example... it may not be as strong as camgirls.com, but it only costs around $2,000. The money saved can go into infrastructure and marketing, and the business is on it's way. Pull everything off and get a better domain down the road. End of story.

I can't imagine making a $350k investment and having no clear plan of how I was going to go about getting my return. You put the cart WAY in front of the horse.

Even with where you are now, you are fortunate enough that you can still get out. At least 2 program owners have publically expressed interest in picking up the domain at cost, maybe you can raise the price a little and get a tiny profit- but don't get greedy about it.

OR you can eat a slice of humble pie, join a nice revshare program, learn about traffic generation, and build your business from the ground up. Maybe you can bring in enough to pay off your loan / investor as well as start putting aside $$ to eventually start to build your own program.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16205963)

Did you totally skip over John Marco's post?

Where are you??? I figured the Mickey D's reference might put things in perspective, guess not. I'm sorry, but guestimations of your potential for profit based on a 2 year old IPO of a company that took years and years to build are fantasy land follie, and not to knock anyone's dick in the dirt, but have you been paying attention to where that stands lately?

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Right now it's like you're sitting at the table with only an ace in your hand putting it all on the line counting on the 4 cards you need to get a royal flush falling in your lap.

A strong domain only has potential when in the hands of a capable person and you have no business plan.

Going back to the card reference and you with your Ace.... If I've got a K, Q, J, 10 what makes me need YOUR ace? There are other aces in the deck, or I can get my straight by getting a 9... Maybe I'll make my own luck.

What I'm trying to get at is you have one component, to make a business work you need alot more than just a domain, and as you have seen with successes such as livejasmine, it's not always necessary. And although you have a strong domain, it's not a one word domain, it's not as strong as cams.com, or webcams.com. Someone else could easily go out on their own and negotiate the purchase of an equally as strong domain and not have to pay a dead weight partner out a percentage of the earnings over an indefinite period of time.

Just a few domains that are currently for sale-

mycam.com
youcam.com
partycam.com
webcamcentral.com
camcast.com
camhub.com
fetishcam.com
etc..

Let's take camdivas.com for example... it may not be as strong as camgirls.com, but it only costs around $2,000. The money saved can go into infrastructure and marketing, and the business is on it's way. Pull everything off and get a better domain down the road. End of story.

I can't imagine making a $350k investment and having no clear plan of how I was going to go about getting my return. You put the cart WAY in front of the horse.

Even with where you are now, you are fortunate enough that you can still get out. At least 2 program owners have publically expressed interest in picking up the domain at cost, maybe you can raise the price a little and get a tiny profit- but don't get greedy about it.

OR you can eat a slice of humble pie, join a nice revshare program, learn about traffic generation, and build your business from the ground up. Maybe you can bring in enough to pay off your loan / investor as well as start putting aside $$ to eventually start to build your own program.

Originally Posted by Sam Ozborn (Post 16205916)

from what i can see right now girls' profiles who being taken into private are still in free chat area, the only difference is that system ask to add funds instead of loading chat with them. so those 1/4 nude girls are most likely just opted-in for nude chats only so freebies wont bother them and they wait for their private in pretty same line as free chat girls and how big are those private sessions? hour a day still would be my max bet, so its 1.3mil/year. would like to hear more optimistic figures from insiders though

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16205963)

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16206146)

Where did you come up with all these assumptions? HINT: I've been programming for 20 years. John only posted one percentage that isn't obvious on every cam site. And hot dog stands are perfect competition businesses, not relevant.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16206146)

Where did you come up with all these assumptions? HINT: I've been programming for 20 years. John only posted one percentage that isn't obvious on every cam site. And hot dog stands are perfect competition businesses, not relevant.

Originally Posted by cam_girls (Post 16206310)

A good programmer can program any specification given to him, you don't need to be a guru. What's so difficult about video? The sites have about 3 main pages. I programmed video conferencing software with black and white quickcams in 95, so I guess my experience predates all of you. I also made a $200 domain get 2000 uniques a day from Yahoo. I'm working on an affiliate site.