Well :winkwink: posting online for 6 years he could still be 21 years old. I started at 23 but I hear stories of how some of the people here started posting here when the where in high school, so no telling.

How the vast majority of millionaires are made:
- inheritance
- win lotto
- lawsuit

If you didn't make it on your own, chances are you got it from one of the above or daddy gave it to you, or you married rich.

i might be going out on a ledge here :winkwink: but 99% of the people in this industry who have been successful don't have a degree in computer science, althought im guessing that you took/take computer classes in college?



Looking like my guess is a pretty good one.


Question? what are you going to do with an affiliate program? If you get your white label site going with your affiliate program, you think thats the key to making millions, that easy, get an affiliate program and the affiliates will come with hoards of traffic.

What kind of reversed negative logic beans are you guys all eating?
If I don't have an affiliate program it will never get big, unless I have a huge advertising program.

the reality red bean, its a common bean that no one likes.

Before you can get big you need to start small and take baby steps, and have a good foundation of knowing what the fuck you doing. Getting big doesn't happen over night, and getting an affiliate program will not ensure that you get big, especially if you don't know what you are doing.

A common mistake a lot of programs make, not just you, is thinking I can just build a site get an affiliate program and make millions. To be completly honest with you, hearing the way you talk you not going to get very many people who want to sign up as an affiliate, of your white label site, to send you traffic.

True, without an affiliate program it will be very hard to be "huge" on your own, from just your own traffic. Especially if all of your traffic is type ins from 1 domain and you don't know how to generate other traffic on your own.

I don't really understand what you want... are you saying you would prefer to get 30% to 50% of the revenue you generate, instead of 100% from having your own system with your own billing?

2much doesn't offer a white label yet because we're in the business of building you a site you can create an affiliate program of your own for.

Which means you have to generate your own traffic. Either way.

You can join www.LCNCash.com which is www.LiveCamNetwork.com's affiliate program, and build your own site which is sorta what you do with a white label anyway but you still have to create traffic for it.

You could also give us a specific explanation of what you want and we could build it for you (and other affiliates), but a white label, affiliate program tool, or whatever, doesn't provide traffic.

Your domain would have to come with content and be ready for traffic, if you want to sell it to or partner with a cash program, which is something 2much can help you develop ...

:D

Are you big?

the affiliate program won't be embedded into the site.
I haven't used CCBill affiliates but a camgirl site needs IFRAMES and other tools

you're very thick.

but its funny.

the only way you will ever succeed is to abandon your misguided ideas of "what i need" and start listening to those who have been there, are there and who have done it many times.

starting with an affiliate program is a sure recipe for failure. you don't know the first thing about webmasters or running an affiliate program much less all the in's and outs of running a cam site, dealing with transaction processing, managing chargebacks/refunds and fraud and so on.

you see 2% of the picture and you think its 100%... and the 2% you do see, you really misunderstand.

i started in cams in jan 1998. it gets harder every year. you have the chance right now to stop... to learn, to learn about actually building traffic and managing traffic and converting traffic.. .but you don't want to. you want to pursue a path that's going to result in nothing but throwing huge amounts of money away. judging from everything i've seen... you don't have that money to lose or risk.

you could use the typins, throw up a white lable with revshare and build a growing stream of income WHILE you learn about traffic and learn to build up your own traffic. instead, as with everything else, you are totally blinded by your own ridiculous ideas of "how it is" and "all i need" and "livejasmin did this that and the other thing" and your venture is certain to crash and burn.

the first step in learning ... is understanding what you don't know.. and being willing to accept that you may not know anything.

the second... being willing to learn

so far... fail and fail.
:2 cents:

yeh good advice - no affiliate program LOL

I've tested 2 white labels and 2 affiliate programs and another white label on the way. Is that OK with you?

Okay,

so heres a nice compromise, why don't you tell us if it was inheritance money, and if not, how you came up with the 350k, and we'll help you out with your site?

not inheritance

2 guesses left

Everyone here is wrong, negative idiots that don't have a clue. You are right. Your math is proof that you are right, all you need to do is get 100 girls on at $5 min, etc. etc... slap an affiliate program on and you will be making like 10% of cams.com and livejasmin in a couple years.

Don't listen to us, you got it all worked out. Go ahead and get it going, and let us know how it works out for you.

If it is not one of the following i would be shocked:

inheritance
lotto (won gambling... scratch off, long shot at the track, the big prize on slot machine etc..)
won a lawsuit
got it from daddy
married rich got from wife / divorce settlement
an idiot loaned it to you

I forgot to add you could have stole it, but that is probably not the case as you would have been caught by now ;)

have you thought about how you're going to fund an affiliate program? how much you're prepared to spend on marketing it? how are you going to cover the payouts to webmasters and models before your actually making a profit? do you even realize that paretos law applies to affiliate programs just as much as it does economic issues... that very few people have most of the traffic and they're not going to send it to you because you're a nobody that will probably go tits up like everyone else with a great idea?

you don't even seem to understand anything about traffic. quality of traffic. you spoke in terms of clicks/partnership. 1/2 the people on this board can send you 100-300k a day and you'll never get a single sale. you don't even understand the simple basics of traffic, managing traffic, filtering and targeting traffic and converting it into sales and so on.

how about this... open a cam review site like adult webcam faqs or whatever its called and tell me how many of those site are still online? probably 60-70% aren't.. they all had affiliate programs. can you even guess as to the many reasons they went tits up? you really have no idea. zero. why has ifriends who was once doing 200 mil + a year totally collapsed?

what about credit card processing? do you have the slightest clue how to manage fraud and chargebacks? do you understand that your precious domain will get blacklisted by Visa if you fuck up? Do you understand that a reliable IPSP like Epoch isn't going to talk to you because you have no clue and that they are going to ask you to prove you know what you're doing when it comes to high risk transactions like video chat and managing fraud before they'll even discuss this with you and you can't give better answer than "livejasmin X% with Xmodels = blah blah blah" do you think they do that for no reason at all?

do you think that's because all you need is an affiliate program and a domain and you'll be rich?

you are a child trying to march off into the forest with a hunt brown bear with a bb gun. all you want to talk about is how fast you can load your bb gun, how many bb's it holds and you've done nothing in your life but shit at squirrels and birds. how about you learn to shoot... start earning some revenue and buy a .22 and learn to shoot that. then earn a bit more and buy a .240 and learn to shoot that... then earn a bit more and buy a .300 mag and learn to shoot that. then... once you actually do have it figured out... but a .340 weatherby with an expensive scope and go for it.

Very well put as usual, similar to what I've been trying to tell him. I keep thinking one of these posts is going to get through to him and he'll throw up his hands and say he's ready to learn from scratch and throw out all his pre conceived erroneous ideas about what he thinks he needs to do to build a successful cam site.

I think $350k is reasonable, I am sure traffic and revenue had a lot to do with that price. If it was mine, you better believe I would be putting it to better use!

Oh... you're mentally slow. Now I get it.

The one thing everyone in this thread offering you advice has in common is that they ALL currently make a living doing business in the online adult space.

Keeping that in mind, do you think it's possible one of them might know what they are talking about? You've spoken to people at both Camz and 2much, live web cams is what these guys do.

I don't know what you do or where your money came from, but adult IS my day job. I moonlight and freelance mainstream business on the side. You don't earn a living off live cams, these guys do. If you're unwilling to learn from them then you really should try to sell the domain to someone who can make some money with it.

Nope. He should put up an affiliate program and retire on it.

you guys should seriously stop wasting time on this guy

there's plenty of people around that actually WANT help and are not as stubborn and retarded as him.

be more specific, WHAT advice am I ignoring? WHAT erroneous ideas about what I need?

I'm a qualified computer programmer / webmaster.

What sites do you guys run exactly?

I asked for help. A professional script and traffic in exchange for a percentage.

Nobody bothered with my requests, half of you flamed me and the other half lecture me.

COOL an edit button. Actually Claire offered a cam script.

are you seriously sending to pps?

I was using pay per order at webcams.com until a few hours ago, now revshare with streamate.

why do you keep changing providers? not getting so much money as you expect

If you ask me, type ins are so 1999. Only few people blindly type in a domain today and there will be less and less as people get more internet smart.

both are great programs, but good choice on switching to revs

LOL erroneous ideas? like I said go do it, you have it all figured out, show us all how we are wrong.

LOL what sites do you run? you call putting a white label up on a domain name = running a site ? :1orglaugh:helpme

I think someone got money some kind of way and it went to their head a lot. However you got your money, don't confuse that with success. If daddy gave you money to buy a domain that doesn't mean you are running a website, or successfull at anything, other than having a rich dad. Congrats on that.

You want my advice? No, But i'll give it anyway. Listen to Will76. He is like the Samuel L Jackson of Webcams.

This was a really interesting thread! Thanks to all of you that give out some very valuable information. I just started for a Live Cam Site - CamContacts.com and am running their affiliate program CamSense.com. We offer 40% so I was surprised that other companies offer so much less.

Anyway, there are some of you that I am going to be hitting up with questions if that's okay. If you have any for me, please ask away! This site is totally new for me and I would love to make some new friends.

You need to be a bit clearer on what you offer. 40% is your top tier which less than 5% of your webmasters will ever see. Most will only earn the 25% revshare on one of your sites and 15% on the other two. 15% is at the bottom of cam sponsors in terms of revshare, for years your company only paid 10% revshare and was considered the lowest paying cam sponsor. Many of the companies currently paying revshare 25 - 35% do so from the beginning, you don't have to be a top webmaster to achieve that.

What he said. I've always hated when programs would take the top tier (that very few people, if any reached) and throw that % around like that is what everyone makes.

To say " We offer 40% so I was surprised that other companies offer so much less. " is asinine. When I go to the site and see that your REALLY offer 15-20% i get turned off from even wanting to try your program. If you want to throw out the "40%" then say it like " MAKE from 20% up to 40%" or something like that. :(:helpme:upsidedow

Contact details?...

Uh oh, looks like his plans have come to an immediate halt. Can't say many of us didn't see this coming, was even quicker than I thought.

"Quote:
Can you please forward this message to administration. I am selling CamGirls.com.

Because it's a premium domain it has higher CTR, higher conversions, and higher customer retention.
The price is about $1 million negotiable.

If you are interested in purchasing CamGirls.com please let me know. "

well.... WE offered you a professional script in exchange for a percentage; we can throw traffic in there too. And with that domain, a little optimization and a few hard links thrown up here and there I think you could get yourself some decent SE traffic.

So why didn't we hear from you? We can keep 50% if you want instead of 8.5%... but if you point your domain to our servers and fill out our client form (so we know who to send the checks to) we can get you up and running this week. I would have said Monday but we're a little over booked since Internext, and anyhow it would take up to a couple days for the domain to resolve to our name servers.

Let me know how you want to go with this!

:D

for 50% you have to send 20,000 a day. What kind of traffic do you have?

where is this post taken from?

I almost did him a huge proposal, but without even knowing half of what i manage and/or run, his first words where: I dont think you are succesfull because you would be rich already.

My reply: N.m.

If you want to partner up, want to succeed in anyway, want peoples advice and want them to help you: Put aside your big ego and listen to some people instead of trying to defend something you cant.

You bought a nice domain, smashed a good amount of money on it. Good for you. To bad it doesnt mean shit when you dont have a clue how to make money now. You have 2 choices:

- Keep acting like your the man, and put your head in the sand = nice to brag about a domain, nothing more
- Put aside your ego, listen to the people, change, and accept. And you might even make a nice buck out of this.

no idea.