Yeah, I'm hiding. :rollseyes

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Nobody here knows Snake Doctor (aka Lenny2) and I've never been to a trade show. I'm just an anonymous troll who slings shit at people I'm jealous of.
</12clicks_fantasy>

Reality check asshole. I'm not anonymous, I've been to plenty of shows, lots of people here know me and do business with me.
I don't run in your circles because I'm not out to fuck the customer, I do business with people who are in the adult business, not the credit card cramming business. That's why you don't know me.

When someone is an asshole, I tell them they're an asshole. I don't give a fuck how much money you make or how many cross sales you can buy.

Of course, telling yourself that the people who have the balls to call you a pompous prick don't really matter is how you manage to live with yourself, so whatever. It's expected.

So go ahead and spew your rabble/surfer/I'm a real businessman bullshit reply and then go back to your chargeback spreadsheet so you don't forget to switch accounts later today and accidentally go over the limit.

Also, don't forget to put the :1orglaugh after your lame attempts at insulting me. Preferably several times in one post.
It's just so devastating to those of us who care so much about your opinion of us.

You went out of your way to try and fuck with a biz thread of mine. You must have been thinking of me. Result was I sold domains and you looked like an ass as usual. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=899193 You truly are an ass and I will meet you someday just to see wtf you are all about. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

is it "don't pay them" ? either way everyone knows al gore invented the internet so you are just riding on the coattails of your betters. gore > 12clicks

lol :)

welcome home from your day job!
commence pretending to be in our business!

and if we ever meet, you'd be completely out of place :1orglaugh

odd, you could never prove your claim and slunk away with your tail between your legs.
such a big man with you accusations and then a mouse when you couldn't back them up.

typical chatboard hero:1orglaugh

I don't get that joke. I never hid the fact I have a career other than porn. That was by choice. But I do work hard on my adult biz and could make a living off just that. I chose not too. And judging by sales from an affiliate point of view and the current trends, that was a good choice down the road. Not too long ago you were not even in this biz. You act like you are a founder of online adult. Maybe a founder of shady tactics, thats about it. And I do not beleive for a second you paid out 10's of millions to affiliates. you have none. Maybe you paid out 10's of millions to your xsale buddies. Nobody in their right mind would promote your shit. Hell you have to buy members for your shit sites. Have a nice weekend 12.

hahahaha.
here's a clue, son. I was a founder of online adult and also mainstream adult.
if you knew anyone who's anything in this biz, they'd whisper that in your ear to save you the embarrassment.

and what a part time shitstain believes about my business couldn't be less relevant to me. :1orglaugh

Years ago money was flying around like mad. Right now for a PPS program paying out $35 per join, they would need to do roughly 1000 sales a day (from affiliates) to pay out $1 million monthly, which is $12 million a year. 10 years ago... way easier.

i love ron and i found this video hilarious regardless! gj!

I get the distinct feeling lazzlo thinks 12clickscash is 12click's first and only program.

Yes, which is exactly why you spend so much time making sure he knows that you were a "founder of online adult and also mainstream adult" and that you've "paid out 10s of millions of dollars to affiliates including almost every top name, affiliate, and program in this biz."

You keep telling us that so that we'll be sure not to forget that you don't care what we think/know about your business. :thumbsup

what is it you've done again? gained weight and then went out and breeded with in kind?
:1orglaugh

Gfy is the "real world" ? lolz...

LOL, that was hilarious.

here's a clue, son. I was a founder of online adult and also mainstream adult

dude, you crashed and burned in mainstream and word is you ain't doin well as a poronographer, but I am sure you can produce lots of evidence that you are a rich bitch. You make me chuckle when I read all your bullshit. It just never changes, day in day out. But you, Son, sure ain't no Vince McMahon.

Son, rabble like yourself would call what I did in mainstream a career.

It always makes me chuckle when nobodies like yourself and snake dr post at me.
I mean who are you trying to convice, other trolls? To what end?
I do business with just about anyone who's anyone in this biz. Be it programs, whales, banks, processors, whoever.
You're bullshit doesn't talk with them it walks.
I'm sure it sucks to be a nobody in this biz but son, you ain't improving your station trying to piss up at your betters. :jester:

Funny shit! Classic!

You got your north south wrong as usual. But wtf, I am done fencing with semi literate tards for awhile. A loud mouth does not a lot of money make and your history actually speaks louder than your bullshit and sometimes I actually kind of feel sorry for you. You were amusing for a day, but now you are just boring....again. Peace out old man.

Name one whale LOL. I call bullshit on that, you have no affiliates except those that partner with your scam. Nobody EVER comes to your side saying they do great biz with you. Some people might, but its not good PR for a program thats for sure, so they don't. Some people may say your a nice guy, they dont do biz with you. Your not doing well right now, thats a fact. Keep the cherades up tho, its great entertainment on aboard. BTW your sites are horrible. Your dont even come close to the great programs. By far your bettors son ass. Not even CLOSE! Go around and whisper sweet nothings into other dwindling programs to make a deal. I really hope any subber or free site person that does not know you, take heed to your bullshit. You are funny at least. But we laugh at you, not with you. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:321GFY

It's like bags of money floating up on the shore. :1orglaugh

very nice

quick question:
guys, why are you picking on 12clicks?

Is this due to his political views or the way he does business?

Just curious.....

He does business? Not a lot of people talkin about how much money he makes them......if any. Seems its just 12clicks beating his chest with no new material to actually back it up. Lets see some support with facts....

Not taking sides or anything but it always baffles me how so many newbs come tripping onto the boards in recent years and proclaim themselves as the new and elite wave of enlightened in online adult yet know almost squat about the history of the business and no desire to learn it.

and your point is?

The point is you don't get the point. That's the point.

Ron knows that the people that need to know know. lol

Let me point something out to you cd. The history of this business is still being written. Porn is littered with wreckage, and a lot still post like they actually bought a clue. It is a business that was trashed by spammers, cross sell merchants, pop up hi jackers and a whole lot of other scammy bastards that eroded consumer confidence and cost a lot of people a lot of money so a few could trash an industry. So you go ahead and give us the cole's notes on this industry and why we should emulate that shit. Or perhaps, have you considered the possibility that it is time to move on and clear out the bullshit?

very fucking eloquent....now say something...

If you don't get it just say so. Four words tops. "I don't get it"

No need to write me a book.

You read? Still didn't say anything. Come on, you can do better than that. Impress us with your vast historical knowledge that you elude to. Or is that just hot air?

They do it because he always takes the bait and responds. He "feeds the trolls" so to speak. I think it's a form of entertainment.

Love to but I think I'll let Serge fill you in on the details. :winkwink:

I'm off for a workout. Weather looks nice today.

Yeah, skating on thin ice in a Peg summer sounds like fun.....that's all folks....ain't nothin comin outta this convo...Its over for me...

Ron,

The wealthy and successful people are not the ones who are in business for 11 years. They are the ones who retired long ago and have no need to work. Here is a quick checklist:

- If you are working during "normal business hours" you are not wealthy.

- If you are trying to hustle x-sales at porn conferences you are not wealthy.

- If you have an office you are not wealthy.

- If you have more than $100 dollars in your wallet in cash you are not wealthy.

- If you need to tell people you are wealthy, you are not wealthy.

You may be rich... you may be well off, you may have had some success... so have many other people. However wealth is something you have never achieved and likely never even seen. Stop telling everyone what a success you think you are because you have a box of cigars and a bottle of wine. Stop claiming to have invented internet porn or digital marketing. Accept the fact that when you speak of 'respecting successful people' everyone already agrees with you.... and if sitting in a room with Michael Bloomberg or Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Steve Jobs, every single person (even on GFY) would STFU and listen respectfully.... you just aren't in that class - at least not yet ;)


Everyone Else,

12clicks is no different than a 'heel' in professional wrestling. He would rather play the part of of the arrogant buffoon than the hero. I'm not sure that's wise in a business setting but if that's his choice so be it. Making fun of him comes with the territory and to his credit he relishes that fact - he has proven time and again he can 'take it' far better than he can 'dish it out.' So give the man his due. He may not have invented internet porn or become wealthy as he often claims, but he has supplied all of us with countless hours of online hilarity.

How about a big round of applause for 12clicks :2 cents:

I apologize if reading comprehension is yet another in the growing list of your less than strong suits, but nowhere in my earlier post did I say I would educate anyone on their said lack of knowledge of the history of the business. It was simply a comment, an observation mostly.

In fact I didn't even name anyone specifically as being the culprit. In starting a piss with me over it you've really outted yourself, so I can hardly be blamed for that.

Cheers.

Run on thin ice done, time to hit the weights.... then it's BBQ time.


Edit: Enter Relentless. This thread now has legs to go at least 6 more pages.

:D

CD, I told you before... stop checking out my legs. It creeps me out. :1orglaugh

I have no doubt 12 does well for himself. He has two employees and I doubt he plays slave wages. He doesn't work in my industry porn,he works in marketing. One thing I have to say of all the people I have met in adult over my 10 yrs online, he was the second that was miserable in person.Which actually disappointed me, I was looking forward to chit chatting with him.I figured he is a pretty interesting colorful guy.Is he rich I doubt that I worked for Rolls Royce I worked for people that could buy everyone on this board 17 times over. Never did they mention money and they treated you like a peer which I always found strange.