So who's fault is that? Who filmed her without proper test results? AIM doesn't film scenes. As talent, you owe it to yourself to double check the test results of those you are performing with, and as a producer, you need to make sure all of the talent on the set is clean. Again, how is this AIM's fault, and where does naming names of failed test people come in to any of this?

I am not defending AIM, and it seems like there was some sort of cover-up in this case, which AIM would have probably prefered to keep quiet, but this thread topic seems to be about what a scandal it is that there were 16 HIV positive tests over the past 5 years, but no names were made public. I just don't understand why the names of people who have failed tests need to be made public. They shouldn't pose a risk, as they cannot present a clean test anyway.

this is why:

So who's names do you propose naming? The people who have clean tests? I still don't get the naming of names thing here.

Your gloomy scenario is accurate. A girl gets tested for EVERYTHING on January 1st. On January 2nd she does a bareback anal gangbang with 100 bi-sexual guys. On January 3rd her test are perfect. She then escorts bareback for 3 more weeks, including anal, and groups. On January 29th her test is still good, as it's under 30 days old. You feel safer now?

now we're all arguing on the same side :)

Darren James is the one who caused the HIV incident, how the hell an he sue

so no wonder they can't name names then... scared of a lawsuit

i guess anyone with access and LOTS of time can just go thru the database results one by one until they find out who the people are

Is it any sadder than a cop shot in the line of duty or firmean injured . We choose the biz we are in freely knowing all the risks that are involved. All of these people making statements here , that are not in LA who want thier content shot on time, done at cheaper prices, shot nastier than ever, all of a sudden are the leaders of the lets be safe coalition. I feel real bad for the person/people infected, as did I Jessica Dee who is a very close friend of mine, and still is alive living a very normal life i should say.

Ill say this also, all of you who are making comments, or thinking of making comments, most are rightly just . But how many of you party and have a few drinks and drive home. How many of you dont drive because of DUIs. Tell me thats not more idiotic than fucking without a condom where you put peoples lives at risk that you dont even know. I see alot of people at these tradeshows shitfaced drunk.

There is a risk, definitely is, but me as a performer also its one I take and I protect myself as best I can to deliver product that people want. This is all just my humble opinion.

BTW I am also not happy AIM hasnt immediately released names.

Unprotected sex is dangerous, period. As it has been stated before, so is driving, so if flying, so is giving your kids toys made in China, and on and on it goes. Basically, life is dangerous, and you have to weigh out what risks you care to involve yourself in. Motorcycles are dangerous, but they are fun, so the decision is yours.

As far as the sex industry goes - testing is safer than not testing, but it is far from 100% safe. In order to make it totally safe you would have to test talent for EVERYTHING, and then forbid them to have any sex with anyone who is not in the testing database, and then register every scene with the testing facility, so if an STD breaks out, the registered talent that the positive person came into sexual contact with is immediately informed.

You would practically have to run a sex jail compound of some sort, to prevent any breach in this disease free fantasy world that would be required to make sex safer. As that is never going to happen, you might as well just buy a Harley and have some fun while you are still breathing - or hide in a sexless room, safe with your boring existence.

Getting a good night of sleep is refreshing...as are some of the comments being made here.

If Patient Zero shot two scenes without a clear test result, that is on Patient Zero, the producer, and the other performer(s), for going outside the established protocol which necessitates a clear (negative) test prior to doing a scene. One cannot fault AIM for that.

Among my issues with AIM are that I understood that they would identify anyone with a positive test result, and all whom may have been exposed to the virus, and were under quarantine, since that is how the issue was previously handled, and to my knowledge there was no public notice that their policy had changed.

If they had done so, then we all would have to deal with the change in whatever way we saw best fit for our individual company.

Here is but one example of why I think public notification is important for the adult industry...

The majority of my shooting involves solo or glamour nude projects, which typically do not require an AIM test result. Therefore, a performer that tested positive, but was not publicly identified, could get hired, do a solo toy scene and potentially spread the virus to anyone handling the toy, etc.

When you go to your private physician and get an HIV test, and if your test comes back positive, more tests are conducted, and you are required to disclose all of your other partners, and they are privately notified, they are in turn interviewed and tested, etc.

I thought that AIM was doing more than that for our industry which is why in the past I have supported and used them as the de facto standard. In light of what has come out over the past few days, I seriously need to rethink some issues.

As a few others noted, this is yet another wake up call for an industry which is too often complacent and disorganized.

ADG

Fitty ..............

I just spoke to an agent, who told me he was aware of some of those positive HIV tests in between 2004 and now. As far as he knew, they were all people who were getting tested for the first time before entering the industry. So these people would've not entered the biz, and did not contract HIV during a porn shoot.

Gee youre saying AIM did its job and prevented HIV infected people from entering our industry
Maybe all the peeps on AIMs shit should get al the facts before jumping on them as I should have before jumping on Nina

time for someone AIM exposed to sue them

l.a. fox news picked up this story and ran a pretty sad piece about it this morning.

From Adult FYI

"Dr. Colin Hamblin, AIM's medical director, provided a different timeline of events later today. Hamblin said the porn actress first tested HIV positive on June 4 and worked the following day for reasons he said were still being investigated. A second positive result came back Saturday."

U N R E A L

i am not surprised.. and i said same in previous posts..if these infectious were contracted within the industry it would be cause for some concern.

Hey man, I think you're missing the point. While your logic is MOSTLY sound, here's why naming names does make a difference.

Let's say a performer tests positive for HIV. Taking that performer out of the talent pool is just the first step. You next need to look at everyone who that performer has shot scenes with in the past X days to notify them that they too COULD be infected. Those people need to ALSO be taken out of the talent pool at least until it has been enough time to determine that yes, they are in fact negative. Testing them right away might not produce positive results even if they ARE positive because as someone pointed out, tests might take time. So they need to sit out for a while until they can be completely cleared, otherwise it's possible they too could infect people before a positive test result comes back.

Now, without the name of the original person who tested positive... how are you going to quarantine all of their recent partners? I totally get privacy concerns, but I also get why performers need to be protected from HIV ... and I think that trumps privacy concerns in this industry.

The only reason why I'm not for mandatory condoms is because it won't happen universally no matter what CA politicians do, so why put restrictions on just people in CA? That's the kind of reactionary things that politicians do that never yields positive results. Now, if they can help AIM do the right thing without getting sued... THAT would be helpful.

^^ well said ^^

Pardon my optimistic view on this matter, but that is 16 out of how many persons who film and record scenes daily.

There needs to be a proper statistical record regarding this matter. Adult Entertainment actors and actresses have unprotected sex far more than the general public, but yet have avoided mass outbreaks of HIV.

Some of you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. AIM HAS SAVED LIVES! No system of sexual behavior is perfectly free from HIV except for abstinence.

I agree, but that goes back to one of my previous statements; that you would/should have to instantly register each scene's date and talent list with a central database, run by AIM or whoever, so that whenever a person tests positive for ANY STD everyone they worked with, and everyone THEY worked with, are instantly and directly informed.

This is the only way that companies like AIM can protect themselves from lawsuits, and it is the only way to maintain SOME privacy rights for performers.

If like you said, Joe Shmoe tests positive, who is AIM going to inform? Are they going to come to GFY and out Joe Shmoe? Then what? Are all producers then going to claim that they shot Joe Shmoe? Who is going to leak the names of the talent that Joe Shmoe shot with, who MAY or MAY NOT have been infected? Are those people going to be happy to see their names publicly displayed for all to see? They would be the folks who tested negative to begin with.

Without a tightly enforced, all encompassing, and frequently updated database for the adult industry, naming names could be just as irresponsible as not naming them.

1. AIM already tested level 1 individuals (as early as monday and all came back with negative test(s) yes they were tested several times.
2. People have sex off camera with non-industry people, would be impossible to keep track of those..

Let me add, there have been a few well know LA producers come to Thailand to make porn. Of the handful of girls I knew that worked with them, NONE of them had any testing at all and worked non-condom with American actors, who I'm sure went right back to the USA and kept on working. Lucky for them it turned out OK (or did it?), but this is a perfect example of the reckless behavior that surrounds the industry.

:2 cents:


I'm sick of people comparing HIV to things like road accidents, cancer, heart attacks, policemen and firemen getting hurt or killed, etc etc. There is nothing you can put on your dick that will prevent any of the above from happening. Condoms do, on the other hand, prevent HIV. You become a fireman, you know you might get burned. You eat like shit, you know you might have a heart attack. You drive a car, you know you might crash. You go into porn, you know you might get HIV... unless you wear a condom.

The fact that they don't realeases info on preformers
are just a shame. That should become law. :2 cents:

Have you shot and distributed even ONE porn scene in your whole life?

Here is the LA Times story regarding this...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3569962.story

sad news ..

This is one of the problems I've been harping on the last two days...

Everyone in California THINK that they are the end all and be all. This so-called "talent pool" is nothing more than a couple of dozen "models" at LA Direct that those companies shoot over and over and over again.

So IF a person were to test positive and yet they were complete lunatics and felt the need to shoot porn and spread HIV...they could simply leave California and go anywhere in the world and perform.

Not saying that's likely. I'm just saying that everyone keeps using the terms "porn industry" and the "talent pool" etc.

We need to realize that the MAJORITY of porn is not shot in California. Yeah, the big old school Video companies are there. And yeah there are some big boy affiliate programs who made that their shooting base as well.

But there are thousands of smaller operations (like mine) around the world who have never and will never shoot a scene in LA

And there are lots of very big companies who don't shoot in LA either. Payserve for instance is in the Netherlands. Incredible Dollars travels the world shooting new girls that have never been seen before. Celian of X-Cel is in Paris. The list goes on and on.

I don't know if it's narcissism (I mean look at the AVN awards...it's just the same people who practically live next door to each other handing awards to themselves and ignoring some of the top selling people in this industry just because they aren't working in porn valley), or just isolationism...but there is NO way to remove anybody from the "talent pool" in porn.

Just like there's no way to remove anybody from the "fucking pool" in real life.

Thankfully, it's pretty damn difficult to catch HIV:

"According to a report by researchers Norman Hearst and Stephen Hulley in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the odds of a heterosexual becoming infected with AIDS after one episode of penile-vaginal intercourse with someone in a non-high-risk group without a condom are one in 5 million. With a condom it's even safer--one in 50 million. Just to put this in perspective, the chances of someone in your family getting injured next year in a bubble bath are 1 in 1.3 million (source: The Odds on Virtually Everything, Heron House, 1980). You're in much greater danger of being struck by lightning (1 in 600,000), having your house bombed (1 in 290,000), or being murdered (1 in 11,000)."

you mean having random sex 40 times a week is risky!

Nope, but it's fun! Driving to somewhere to have random sex 40 times a week is risky...

http://babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerd...5/MrBubble.jpg

Thanks for the warning Robbie! I tossed my big box of Mr Bubble the fuck out as soon as I read this! :thumbsup

ADG

No problem bro...Safety first is my motto :1orglaugh

I do agree with you, but I also think that in life we take risks every day of our lives, we can try to limit the risks which we take, ie, condoms, but nothing is 100 percent safe......

this is pretty much completely wrong. I've shot over 3K models and only about 7 of them were from LA Direct. $.02

Holy crappers...

Ive seen alot of internet porn where they are using condoms. For the most part you cant tell his dick just looks extra shiny. Do I think it will end porn production in the us? No because some major net companies use condoms in shoots already. It doesnt have to be obvious, she is blowing him then cut to him fucking her. Also if they like the girl, they will still like that girl. If the action is hot and everyone is into what they are doing.It will still sell.
And for once we would set a good example.

3,000 different girls for adult? That's pretty damn impressive. Was that all hardcore shoots? Or pretty girl solo stuff that I wouldn't count as porn anyway in this instance.

I was trying to point out that there aren't that many "performers" based there like the LA Times is insinuating. Am I wrong on that? Because I keep seeing the same girls over and over fucking the same guys over and over on every company that shoots in Porn Valley. That's where my statement was coming from.

If there really are 1,500 HARDCORE performers that would have anything to do with this AIM/HIV story...why the heck don't they use them? lol

Tony, I don't think it would sell for shit. That's just my opinion...but I'm basing it on what I know sells for me.

And I think if the companies in California are forced to shoot with condoms they will all leave California and scootch right over here 4 hours drive to Nevada and Arizona where a lot of companies are already at anyway.

http://monstersofcock.com/t1/pps=comein/ I think they make alittle money look at the fucking pictures in the tour some condom some no condom. If its hot and they still get their cum shot on tits or face or ass.I dont think they care.