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donnylong 06-12-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15954606)
And even if you did... 10 is less than 50% of 22. Which makes you wrong, not him.

not true when there is a huge number difference in the number of straights to gays. so 10 is a huge number out of the 22

stevo 06-12-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by riddler (Post 15952805)
donnylong turning all minusonebit on us.

hahahahaha

donnylong 06-12-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Red Machine (Post 15954615)
How would the girls know if they are not told?

The best question would be....Who are the guys that swing both ways?

There use to be a cool myspace page that told everyone but the fags had it pulled down. I can tell you Derek Hay, and Christianx, and a bunch of others of LA Directs site are.

Studly_Ron 06-12-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954614)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/re...sheets/msm.htm

MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults :disgust

It's obvious who went to college and who didn't. First of all the stats above are from 2005, and only represent data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting from people who chose to disclose that information. Moreover, this study has nothing to do with the spread of HIV among sex workers. It was a study based on men who admitted to having sex with men. Africa is a good example because "sex workers" are common out there, and sex work out there is preferred to be condomless. It is sex practices that spreads HIV, not gays or trannies. Places like the "bunny ranch" in Nevada haven't had a single HIV infection in its 40 yrs of business, because condoms are required!!!!!

Tempest 06-12-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954614)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/re...sheets/msm.htm

MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults :disgust

While interesting, it still doesn't paint a clear picture.. That 71% could have been out of 100 guys and yet 10billion women could be infected.. what's the M2M percentage compared to all of the US cases. While HIV is often talked about in terms of gay men, I'd be interested in seeing a percentage breakdown for gay women as well.

JustDaveXxx 06-12-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954654)
There use to be a cool myspace page that told everyone but the fags had it pulled down. I can tell you Derek Hay, and Christianx, and a bunch of others of LA Directs site are.

Donny, why dont you make it your mission to put out the switch hitter list of male performers?

You would probably do the best job at finding out who is who.:thumbsup

Due 06-12-2009 06:12 PM

I feel sorry for the people that got infected with this terrible disease :(

donnylong you really don't need to worry that much, if you fuck with a condom like any responsible male talent would do the chances of getting infected is near null.

If you catch it without then you can blame nobody other than yourself, HIV would still be here even if there was no gay or trannies

donnylong 06-12-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Studly_Ron (Post 15954680)
It's obvious who went to college and who didn't. First of all the stats above are from 2005, and only represent data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting from people who chose to disclose that information. Moreover, this study has nothing to do with the spread of HIV among sex workers. It was a study based on men who admitted to having sex with men. Africa is a good example because "sex workers" are common out there, and sex work out there is preferred to be condomless. It is sex practices that spreads HIV, not gays or trannies. Places like the "bunny ranch" in Nevada haven't had a single HIV infection in its 40 yrs of business, because condoms are required!!!!!

Again I am right and here is why. If you want to talk about sex workers or the porn biz, its very simple. How many gay scenes do you think are shot in LA alone and how many do you think are straight? I would guess 100 to 500 straight scenes to ever 1 gay scene shot maybe more, and out of 22 people 10 were gays that got infected in the porn biz. that number says it all.

donnylong 06-12-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 15954752)
I feel sorry for the people that got infected with this terrible disease :(

donnylong you really don't need to worry that much, if you fuck with a condom like any responsible male talent would do the chances of getting infected is near null.

If you catch it without then you can blame nobody other than yourself, HIV would still be here even if there was no gay or trannies

sorry to tell you that almost no one in porn uses condoms or needs to with our testing if the fags would stay on there side of the fence. So your wrong about male talent.

ottyhotties 06-12-2009 06:36 PM

The only applicable stats would be the HIV infections in porn. Comparing "Average Joe" getting a shitty cock and then going home and fucking his wife is like comparing apples to oranges, the numbers pool is greater when the possibility pool is an entire city, state, country, or world. Inside the porn biz the numbers pool is much smaller; and both AIDS outbreaks seem to suggest that switch hitting is a dangerous mix inside the industry, so I agree with Donny on this point.

I will not stereotype gays but could it be that the pornography business might attract more wild lifestyle gays, the kind of stereotypes the gay community often fights against and stereotypes that don't statistically apply to the gay male community at large? If the gay talent in this industry were to report they sleep randomly with 3-4 different non porn gay men monthly, throw all the worldwide statistics out the window -- those stats don't apply to this kind of situation.

Big Red Machine 06-12-2009 08:49 PM

Some girl came in today to do a shoot...with an expired AIM test(Not their FAULT...disclaimer..lol) ,but WTF was she thinking. I look at it and gave her her walking papers. What kinda Suitcase Pimp in this climate would have a girl go that far without everything in order....pfffff(letting off steam)

Studly_Ron 06-12-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties (Post 15954862)
The only applicable stats would be the HIV infections in porn. Comparing "Average Joe" getting a shitty cock and then going home and fucking his wife is like comparing apples to oranges, the numbers pool is greater when the possibility pool is an entire city, state, country, or world. Inside the porn biz the numbers pool is much smaller; and both AIDS outbreaks seem to suggest that switch hitting is a dangerous mix inside the industry, so I agree with Donny on this point.

I will not stereotype gays but could it be that the pornography business might attract more wild lifestyle gays, the kind of stereotypes the gay community often fights against and stereotypes that don't statistically apply to the gay male community at large? If the gay talent in this industry were to report they sleep randomly with 3-4 different non porn gay men monthly, throw all the worldwide statistics out the window -- those stats don't apply to this kind of situation.

Could be...yes? But could it also be that the pornography business might attract more wild lifestyle heterosexuals as well? Were any of the female performers infected also IV drug users? 'Cause we know none of that goes on in the industry, right?!! Both sides can throw stats like crazy, but there will be confounding variables to every study. The only truth about the spread of HIV, is that ignorance is a common thread. Donny's comments are hateful and ingorant...

Seth_CowStream 06-13-2009 12:03 AM

donnylong: You are obviously a bigoted idiot. Go Fuck YOURSELF!!!

BTW, straight porn performers are many, many more times more likely to contract STDs including HIV as the vast majority of straight porn is bareback (no condoms). The majority of gay porn is filmed using safer sex practices.

Tempest 06-13-2009 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Seth_CowStream (Post 15955691)
donnylong: You are obviously a bigoted idiot. Go Fuck YOURSELF!!!

BTW, straight porn performers are many, many more times more likely to contract STDs including HIV as the vast majority of straight porn is bareback (no condoms). The majority of gay porn is filmed using safer sex practices.

Can't speak to gay porn but any tranny porn I've seen the anal sex was always done with a condom... can't say I've ever seen any hetro anal sex done with a condom.

SABAI 06-13-2009 03:30 AM

just to put a stop to the nonsense i have read on this thread ..... HIV test or not adult performers are at risk because an infected ( read HIV Positive, not full blown aids) performer could very well have a dose of tritherapy a couple days before taking an HIV test and then test negative ..... it is well known here in th**land that girls infected and working in bars do this all the time to keep their job...

also i would not surprised to hear in a couple months that the lab testing performers is a huge scam , taking bribes for neg results or mixing samples etc etc .....

how can anyone with half a braincell fuck bareback worryless just because a piece of paper says its safe ????? and are checks for other STD's mandatory or just HIV????

another thing comes to mind, what difference it makes that people in the porn idustry get infected? mainstream people also fuck bareback and the last girl you fucked off camera , did you ask her if she shagged a "faggot" before you? does she only know? maybe she got a blood transfusion? maybe she had hepatitis ? ohhh but its no big deal because its not in the porn industry ......... tkssssss


:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

voa 06-13-2009 03:43 AM

This became more and more fuck up.Who know how more people are infected

rip raster 06-13-2009 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954526)
really?? tell me who is the leader then?

It is my understanding that IV drug users using contaminated needles account for the largest number of new cases of HIV at the present time.

donnylong 06-13-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Studly_Ron (Post 15955372)
Could be...yes? But could it also be that the pornography business might attract more wild lifestyle heterosexuals as well? Were any of the female performers infected also IV drug users? 'Cause we know none of that goes on in the industry, right?!! Both sides can throw stats like crazy, but there will be confounding variables to every study. The only truth about the spread of HIV, is that ignorance is a common thread. Donny's comments are hateful and ingorant...

How is it ignorance????? I just posted the stats! 100 to 500 straight movies shot to every 1 gay movie shot and this might be higher and 10 gays out of 22 people get hiv. THEY ARE A HUGE HIGHER RISK. How could you argue different?

you ask why the hate?
Let me give you 2 scenarios.

1.YOUR A MALE PERFORMER AND GET TO SET TO FUCK THIS SUPER HOT NICE PIECE OF FRESH MEAT ASS 18 YEAR OLD THAT IS CUTE AS A BUTTON AND YOUR GETTING PAID 800 DOLLARS, FROM LETS SAY VIVID. YOU FEEL LIKE A KING AND CANT WAIT TO FUCK HER AND GET PAID.

2. YOUR A MALE PERFORMER AND GET TO SET TO FUCK THIS SUPER HOT NICE PIECE OF FRESH MEAT ASS 18 YEAR OLD THAT IS CUTE AS A BUTTON AND YOUR GETTING PAID 800 DOLLARS, FROM LETS SAY VIVID.

THE GIRL STARTS BRAGGING TO YOU ABOUT HOW ITS ONLY HER SECOND SCENE AND SHE GOT TO FUCK LETS SAY CHRISTIANXXX AKA TRANNYFUCKERXXX FOR HER FIRST SCENE THE DAY BEFORE AND IT WAS A CREAM PIE. SHE ALSO TELLS YOU HER AGENCY IS LA DIRECT AND SHE FUCKED HER AGENT OFF CAMERA BEFORE THAT. YOU TURN AROUND WITH VOMIT IN YOUR MOUTH AND ASK HER IF SHE HAD ANY IDEA HOW MANY FAGS AND TRANNIES THOSE GUYS FUCKED EVERY WEEK AND HOW MUCH OF A HI RISK OF HIV THEY WERE. SHE SAYS NO ANDDOESNT BELIEVE YOU AND YOU SHOW HER PROOF ON YOUR PHONE. SHE BREAKS OUT IN TEARS, CALLS HER AGENT CURSING AT HIM AND FIRES HIM AND THEN WALKS OFF THE SET AND LEAVES THE BUSINESS FOREVER.

WOULD YOU BE PISSED BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON REAL SETS IN THIS BUSINESS ALL BECAUSE OF SOME FAGGOT JUMPING THE FENCE.

donnylong 06-13-2009 07:34 AM

BY THE WAY YOU DONT GET THE 800 DOLLARS AFTER SHE WALKS OFF! :disgust

LadyMischief 06-13-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15952733)
hahahaha naaaa Easton just stay away from LA! Full of faggot's fucking the girls, Trust me that's why I stopped sticking my dick in them.

Those girls and guys often travel.. staying away from LA won't do much.. not to mention people who travel to LA to shoot then go home.

donnylong 06-13-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15956266)
Those girls and guys often travel.. staying away from LA won't do much.. not to mention people who travel to LA to shoot then go home.

that is very true :Oh crap

LoveSandra 06-13-2009 11:21 AM

fucking sad

Due 06-13-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954793)
sorry to tell you that almost no one in porn uses condoms or needs to with our testing if the fags would stay on there side of the fence. So your wrong about male talent.

haha absolutely, straight people don't get HIV everybody knows that :2 cents:

I'm well aware that almost no one in porn uses condoms, but that doesn't make it less wrong or more right does it ? The testing won't help you a lot, it will just tell you when it's too late and allow you to quickly clean up the mess by 1: remove the bad apple, 2: indicate approximate time of infection, 3: locate other performers who may have been exposed as well.

papill0n 06-13-2009 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15954793)
sorry to tell you that almost no one in porn uses condoms or needs to with our testing if the fags would stay on there side of the fence. So your wrong about male talent.

holy fuck what an absolute moron

Centurion 06-13-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15952708)
That means those 10 HIV fags probably gave the other 12 victims HIV, which were probably straight female talent.

One thing I can say for gfy, there will always be those un-gifted, mentally challenged individuals that love to go gay bashing. Thanks for making me proud to be a gay man, and shame on you for embarrassing the majority of other upstanding straight people who will have none of your non-sensical rantings.

Btw..those "10 hiv fags" were more than likely STRAIGHT guys who go "gay for pay" because they get paid more in gay films than straight films.

So if you want to "lecture" someone, you had better address the CORRECT audience in this case and that more than likely would be the STRAIGHT actors.

Mutt 06-13-2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 15957511)

Btw..those "10 hiv fags" were more than likely STRAIGHT guys who go "gay for pay" because they get paid more in gay films than straight films.

So if you want to "lecture" someone, you had better address the CORRECT audience in this case and that more than likely would be the STRAIGHT actors.

i know what his response is going to be, and i'd have to agree with it - there is no such thing as 'gay for pay' when it comes to dudes. a thousand bucks or whatever they get paid for a scene is not going to get any purely heterosexual male to suck a dick or get fucked in the ass. some people go both ways, these guys who do 'gay for pay' like the cock, maybe even more than pussy.

Shameless 06-13-2009 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Studly_Ron (Post 15954680)
It's obvious who went to college and who didn't. First of all the stats above are from 2005, and only represent data from 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting from people who chose to disclose that information. Moreover, this study has nothing to do with the spread of HIV among sex workers. It was a study based on men who admitted to having sex with men. Africa is a good example because "sex workers" are common out there, and sex work out there is preferred to be condomless. It is sex practices that spreads HIV, not gays or trannies. Places like the "bunny ranch" in Nevada haven't had a single HIV infection in its 40 yrs of business, because condoms are required!!!!!

So what you are saying is that its the same risk having vaginal sex & anal sex? Are you kiddding me? How many of these cases come from Vaginal Sex? Our last outbreak was from condomless anal sex. I really dont think that its even the same ball park.

FilthyRob 06-13-2009 10:15 PM

What a terrible circumstance for some of the perfomers affected, which has turned into a pissing match.

Very nice guys, whatever is whatever. Take your great I told you so's. What good will it do for the unfortunate people in this mess?

Wow

TiaLing 06-13-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15952733)
hahahaha naaaa Easton just stay away from LA! Full of faggot's fucking the girls, Trust me that's why I stopped sticking my dick in them.


I hate to break this to you donny ..... lol .... but just about every girl that's shot in LA works in Fla , too .... you're not saving yourself from anything by shooting there instead of LA

fetishlad 06-14-2009 04:02 AM

Methinks Donnylong has got some sexuality issues ....

just a punk 06-14-2009 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15952708)
The gay industry is not tested and the straight is.

Just a stupid question. Why??? Why the gay industry isn't tested for HIV? Could someone explain me this?

fetishlad 06-14-2009 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 15958020)
Just a stupid question. Why??? Why the gay industry isn't tested for HIV? Could someone explain me this?

this donylong guy is talking out of his arse.

In the gay industry people ARE as much and as honestly tested as in the straight industry.

However - in the gay industry MOST porn is shot with condoms.
There are a few bareback producers around - they do "serosorting" (neg with neg - poz with poz)

In the gay industry (due to the AIDS history) bareback porn is still frowned upon and not mainstream and you will NEVER see bareback pornstars cross over to the safe sex porn UNLESS they use condoms. Most bareback pornstars though will never be touched by safer sex producers again after they did a bareback scene.

The whole HIV infection problem does not just come from "fags" (as jonnylong calls them), but from straight "gay for pay" guys who stick their cock in any whole they can find.

sicone 06-14-2009 04:53 AM

Donny...

Do you know for a FACT that any of the performers infected have worked both gay and straight?

Do you know if any of them have recently worked with another performer who does both?

Do you know that the female performer (Patient Zero) got infected from a porn shoot, or does she maybe escort as well?

and BTW, I agree with you that performers should stay either gay or straight, not go back in forth.

DWB 06-14-2009 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7 (Post 15957686)
I hate to break this to you donny ..... lol .... but just about every girl that's shot in LA works in Fla , too .... you're not saving yourself from anything by shooting there instead of LA

Ouch. :helpme

Bladewire 06-14-2009 05:06 AM

1 in 3 heterosexual Americans has herpes, while gonorrhea, genital warts and syphilis run rampant.

Viruses don't discriminate. You don't wear a condom you can get any one of these infections, including HIV.

Your whole "I am straight so I'm immune from a fag disease" is exactly what will get you infected and your attitude against people different from you makes me feel like you'll deserve what you get :thumbsup

DWB 06-14-2009 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 15958064)
Your whole "I am straight so I'm immune from a fag disease" is exactly what will get you infected and your attitude against people different from you makes me feel like you'll deserve what you get

What if you're a fag and you claim to be immune from straight disease?

Bladewire 06-14-2009 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 15958082)
What if you're a fag and you claim to be immune from straight disease?

"Fags" are smarter then that. The only straight disease they are naturally immune from is pregnancy and white trash syndrome ~ it's proven :pimp

I think you show a complete lack of character using the term fag to describe the men you fuck. Grow up! No mans ass is immune to Gay cock, some just aren't man enough to take it. See you at the next show :winkwink:

Platinumpimp 06-14-2009 05:52 AM

Here in Pattaya Thailand it's infested too. Every fooker who puts his weener unprotected in a pussy or ass is just plain stupid.

DWB 06-14-2009 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 15958085)
"Fags" are smarter then that. The only straight disease they are naturally immune from is pregnancy and white trash syndrome ~ it's proven :pimp

I think you show a complete lack of character using the term fag to describe the men you fuck. Grow up! No mans ass is immune to Gay cock, some just aren't man enough to take it.

What then about a straight, real macho guy catching that uber-fag disorder where they almost combust into flames they are so gay and act like little fairies? How many twink cocks would a straight guy need to suck to catch that one?

DWB 06-14-2009 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp (Post 15958091)
Here in Pattaya Thailand it's infested too. Every fooker who puts his weener unprotected in a pussy or ass is just plain stupid.

Dood... have you seen the amount of African (real Africans) males POURING into Bangkok and slowly into Pattaya? They have taken over an entire soi now in BKK, 1000s of them.

OMFG, Thailand is going to have a wave of HIV like they have never known. :(:helpme

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 15957511)
One thing I can say for gfy, there will always be those un-gifted, mentally challenged individuals that love to go gay bashing. Thanks for making me proud to be a gay man, and shame on you for embarrassing the majority of other upstanding straight people who will have none of your non-sensical rantings.

Btw..those "10 hiv fags" were more than likely STRAIGHT guys who go "gay for pay" because they get paid more in gay films than straight films.

So if you want to "lecture" someone, you had better address the CORRECT audience in this case and that more than likely would be the STRAIGHT actors.

Look faggot! There is no such thing as gay for pay. If you suck a cock YOUR GAY!

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 15957537)
i know what his response is going to be, and i'd have to agree with it - there is no such thing as 'gay for pay' when it comes to dudes. a thousand bucks or whatever they get paid for a scene is not going to get any purely heterosexual male to suck a dick or get fucked in the ass. some people go both ways, these guys who do 'gay for pay' like the cock, maybe even more than pussy.

and there it is :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shameless (Post 15957618)
So what you are saying is that its the same risk having vaginal sex & anal sex? Are you kiddding me? How many of these cases come from Vaginal Sex? Our last outbreak was from condomless anal sex. I really dont think that its even the same ball park.

not only was it from condom less anal sex but the guy fucked a dude with boobs in the ass.

RadicalSights 06-14-2009 06:10 AM

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The DOUCHEess says ? reply to this
That's Karma for ya. When your in a distasteful Industry like that enough money in the World isn't goin to save you from death.
:1orglaugh

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7 (Post 15957686)
I hate to break this to you donny ..... lol .... but just about every girl that's shot in LA works in Fla , too .... you're not saving yourself from anything by shooting there instead of LA

not true at all. more than half of the florida whores never make it to CA.

Bladewire 06-14-2009 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 15958098)
What then about a straight, real macho guy catching that uber-fag disorder where they almost combust into flames they are so gay and act like little fairies? How many twink cocks would a straight guy need to suck to catch that one?

Your fascination with Gay sex is impressive. I'll personally answer your concerns at the next show, in person :)

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 15958020)
Just a stupid question. Why??? Why the gay industry isn't tested for HIV? Could someone explain me this?

because most fags have HIV :disgust

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fetishlad (Post 15958034)
this donylong guy is talking out of his arse.

In the gay industry people ARE as much and as honestly tested as in the straight industry.

However - in the gay industry MOST porn is shot with condoms.
There are a few bareback producers around - they do "serosorting" (neg with neg - poz with poz)

In the gay industry (due to the AIDS history) bareback porn is still frowned upon and not mainstream and you will NEVER see bareback pornstars cross over to the safe sex porn UNLESS they use condoms. Most bareback pornstars though will never be touched by safer sex producers again after they did a bareback scene.

The whole HIV infection problem does not just come from "fags" (as jonnylong calls them), but from straight "gay for pay" guys who stick their cock in any whole they can find.

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT AND MORE BULLSHIT AND there is no suck thing as gay for pay. if your a fag your a fag you fag :1orglaugh

Bladewire 06-14-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15958109)
Look faggot! There is no such thing as gay for pay. If you suck a cock YOUR GAY!

Obviously a Gay man broke your heart. Get over it faggot and bendover like the bitch you are :mad:

You got sucked by a dude SO WHAT?!! Nobody gives a shit, you're still straight. MOVE ON :321GFY

Your personal Gay issues of blame are not of concern in relation to the recent straight HIV infections in the California porn industry. Diseases don't discriminate. Stop being selfish and have your models wear a fucking condom end of story :pimp

I'm not even going to address the number of men on your site that I've seen in Gay/Bi porn. Why aren't your models wearing condoms?

donnylong 06-14-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sicone (Post 15958054)
Donny...

Do you know for a FACT that any of the performers infected have worked both gay and straight?

Do you know if any of them have recently worked with another performer who does both?

Do you know that the female performer (Patient Zero) got infected from a porn shoot, or does she maybe escort as well?

and BTW, I agree with you that performers should stay either gay or straight, not go back in forth.

1. YES READING ********

2. YES READ ********

3. not known yet but there are 22 cases at different times from different causes but most fags fault.

4. but they always will till we stop the fags from being pimp agents in this business


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