We only have the right to know who is the director/producer who let the patient 0 work w/o proper papers.


Btw some smart ppl in this thread - however this whole case is handled So Unprofessional and So Crazy [I mean especially the donnylong threads with almost all the content in them] it makes me sad and disappointed.

Thats the thing.. were all swimming in the same water.. if someone pisses in it i want to know who.

Duke

Nothing.

I caught Jade Marcella using a bogus AIM test back many years ago when she was working a lot. I told AIM and her agent at the time, World Modeling, neither cared.

I'm sure this sort of thing happens from time to time. I mean, lets be honest, we're not exactly dealing with pillars of society here.

The whole thing is flawed though. You shoot some black whore for Ghetto Gaggers on Monday, she has a clean bill of health from AIM, but you are not aware she was at some ghetto ass freak party on Thursday, sucking 50 black dicks and fucking guys in the back room bareback for $100 a pop. You are also not aware of her four escort clients over the weekend where two of them paid her extra to fuck her bareback.

She now shows up on your set, perhaps HIV is running rampant through her system because one of those guys she fucked raw also happens to take cock up the ass. Buuuuut... her AIM test says she is clean.

My point is, people are always pissing in the pool and most of the time it's people you don't even know about.

Any test is better than no test, I won't argue that. But I do believe too many producers and actors have a false sense of security with AIM and their tests, when in reality, you don't know who pissed in the pool just two hours before they show up on your set.

It's a scary business. :2 cents:

http://www.coolfunpics.com/slides/Di...Empty_Pool.jpg

http://imagecache.allposters.com/ima...ol-Posters.jpg

ADG

Pretty much. :2 cents:

So what is needed is affordable "instant" testing.
Since so many of the people think that porn valley is the entire porn business...How about this:
http://www.socalhivtest.com/

That's results in 20 minutes for HIV for $120. You can get the DNA PCR HIV Test Combo results next day for $295

So a large company who shoots 4 to 5 scenes a day with different girls and different guys and has legit concerns in California regarding the laws on "worker safety" could use this type of facility and have some peace of mind...oh wait...They can't because they made a deal with AIM and a couple of others (TalenTesting) to only accept their results. So they've shut themselves out of the ability to get "instant" tests

If they hadn't done that, and had the ability to have the talent tested within hours of a shoot...that pool we're all swimming in would be a lot cleaner. Hell, as a producer you could actually accompany the talent to the facility and observe them being tested. No worries there about forgery.

And I've read in a couple of places that there is a VERY affordable oral mouth strip test coming soon over the counter. That would be even better. Then talent could be tested once a month for other STD's and HEP. And tested right on the spot at the shoot location for HIV.

Anybody ever heard of these guys?

http://www.tstd.org/index.php

Their test does include hepatitis. I checked for their draw centers using my zip and came up with a page full as well. They say they are the lowest priced but I can't find any pricing.

Robbie no offense!, but who the hell is shooting five scnes a day anymore?. The big gonzo companies except maybe 5-6 are even shooting now. So talent can't even pay for a test now that is $120, let alone $295.

There simply is not that much work to justfy spending even spending the $120 for some people. All of those instant test are eliza based test, which the eliza test can have a window period of up to six months.

I am just glad that it HIV is extremly hard to contract on the straight side. As we all know us porn people have strange sex lives to some. AIM caught this one, although I don't know what the women question was doing working on an expired test.

We know the director and the company that this was filmed for, and if this is all true that the director shot a person without a valid test, he is fucked! and so is the company. As I see it AIM is the best we have right now, I don't see what else could of been done?, except not shooting someone with an expired test.

No offense taken. Claudia-Marie shot for Naughty America (they came here to Vegas for a couple of weeks) and they were shooting 4 scenes a day just like always. I'm sure Brazzers & Bang Bros/Nasty Dollars are shooting that schedule as well just like always. They have to to keep weekly updates for all of their websites.

And I guess I was kinda saying that with companies of that size and with that much to lose, it would probably behoove them to set up a deal with an "instant" testing company to send them all their business and get a discount AND pay for the talent testing themselves.

AIM is the best we can do? I should hope not...lets review what AIM has done so far

By now pretty much everyone who wants to knows who ?patient X? is. the also know her partner, the company involved and the director.

No thanks to AIM

So When AIM stated that April 29th was her first test, they lied. Because she has worked in the industry for quite a while. Or maybe she has worked years without a test, which I find unlikely.

So that goes back to AIMs strategy of whom they consider to be a direct exposure. They would have to test all of her partners since 3 weeks PRIOR to the April 29th test to cover the possibility that she was already positive at that time but not testing positive.

AIM would have you believe that the 22 positive tests since Darren James were ?civilians? and/or people wanting into the industry but not being allowed because they tested positive.

NOT SO says the LA Times as well as my sources. AIM does almost no testing of civilians and almost all of these positive tests were active performers, some in gay porn.

NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN, API, UPI, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and even NPR have all done stories on this and every one has cast AIM in a bad light, very bad.

Performers are furious with AIM for putting them at risk and not telling them. There is talk of boycotting AIM and AIM tests.

The local health authorities in Los Angeles have repeatedly said that AIM refuses to be cooperative, as they have in the past.

Pretty much everyone now knows that Sharon Mitchell does not have a Phd from any accredited school, and is not a doctor.

AIM is saying the producer director lied about calling them and getting a green light and that they made no mistakes, but they wont release his name and they have reportedly threatened him with legal action if he talks. They have also reportedly threatened the performers if they come forward.

At this point it seems as though one of porn?s most sacred cows is now slaughtered.

What will take its place is any ones guess but Im hearing that L.A. County is going to take over, issuing permits to performers that are in congruence with what prostitutes must do in Nevada, weekly testing for STDs and such. Much more stringent that the current methodology in porn. The state may pass legislation as well and Cal-OSHA will be all over compliance.

If you think California cant afford it think again, they will see this as a profit center.

Robbie i use these guys in San Diego :thumbsup:thumbsup

What is their pricing? I'm using talenttesting currently for Claudia-Marie each month. But I'd like to find a more affordable option if possible to be able to send male talent that shoots with her to.

All of this is already known Mike, even the womens stage name is known and the male talent that worked with her. I know you have a beef with AIM, I could care less about having an issuse with them.

Just let me know when you are ready to open up your clinic and offer the same services?, and I will be glad to come and test there. Yes AIM from the start messed this up, I said that the other day.

The issue here is who else as I said is going to do what AIM does?, it does not matter if you like them or not, they offer for now what nobody else does. To Robbie, I like your site with your wife, but even some of the companies you mentioned are cutting back a little.

Mike I like your post, but what is done is already done. The government will do what it feels it has to do, OSHA is a federal entity and can make condom use and dental dams manatory in all 50 states. I think for now that is a little fearmongering, but it is possible.

As I said I wish the women well, and this should go to show any director or company don't ever shoot anyone with an expired test. You don't have to have a PHD to know that.

We both know that's not true. He may fly under the radar for a little while but this industry (online & offline) forgives every crook that's in it. From producers who know their distributers are moving product out the back door, to distributers who know the replicators are running off more copies and selling them out the back door, to sleazy untested talent agents who fuck the girls, to companies / producers who don't pay or bounce checks, to companies repackaging the same old shit over and over calling it a "new release," to gay males who work in the straight industry and everything in-between. The industry is filled with bottom feeders who will turn a blind eye to anything if it will pay their rent or get them to the next gig. That has always been and always will be the sad nature of this business.

This director and AIM will conduct business as usual in no time at all. The only thing that may stop AIM is the State of California, but if they don't step in, it's business as usual. Everyone else will forget it happened within 30 - 60 days. :2 cents:

Your seeming dislike for AIM shows clearly in your presumptions. You are a respected figure in this industry.

It could have been her first test with AIM.

Have you given that consideration? Or are you stating facts? Who says that she wasn't using a previous testing center prior to that test?

Do you have any evidence that AIM is not doing this?

As far as I've read about that 'civilian' theory, that was not confirmed.

Your personal sources would be better than mine though, obviously.

Could this be because of the way that this situation was handled? Specifically that everyone automatically assumed that once a test comes back positive that everyone across the industry, regardless of their exposure level, should have the name, rank and serial # of persons involved.

Look at how this situation has blown up when a third party related information on a public board.

Do you really and truly expect this situation to get better if those persons go public? That would fuel the inferno of conjecture and misinformation being touted around and would worsen the negative press already out there.

All thanks to "professionals" who instead of doing what other industries have been doing for centuries, decided upon themselves to release information publicly that obviously has damaged the reputation of the industry.

My point is, in case anyone wonders, that the US adult industry has shown how fragmented and fragile it is. Egos, personal opinions and dislikes have gotten in the way of what was supposed to be a meeting of the minds.

What SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED was that Nina would have been able to go to an executive body of persons (representing the entire US industry) who would have then collectively contacted AIM privately so that proper controlled information could have been released to the public. The misinformation started when people on a public forum got emotional and upset at procedures that they did not understand and still do not understand.

It was pretty much a free for all.

Who knows what information is being piped to media outlets at this very moment! Anyone can go up to a media outlet right now and state that they have information about this scenario and throw a serious wrench in everyone's program.

Did anyone think of that? Now do any of you understand how important the control of information is when it comes to business...ANY business?

All that was displayed in this entire scenario is how easily it is to pit adult entertainment companies, staff and members against each other. The US adult industry doesn't stand a chance against mass media if our personal information can be presented and blasted out to the world so easily.

A set protocol for situations like this needs to be outlined and issued to everyone.

DWB we here in LA know who it is, we can not mention names, but it is already known. Word gets around in this bussiness, will the public know?, I doubt it, but as directors and performers we have done our own investigations into this matter.

Yes this is a very shady bussiness and it may be bussiness as usual. As soon as people understand this they will protect themselves better. I like to dvd comment about the back door:1orglaugh:1orglaugh.

We shoot 2 - 3 scenes a day and pay for all HIV & STI testing for every model, including both a PCR-DNA and a Elisa test, along with Gonorrhea, Chlamydia and Hepatitis B & C tests, all while evading (or greasing) the Thai police. We actually test more than everyone in the USA and simply chalk the additional fees up as the cost of doing business and looking out for those who work for you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the LA porn machine doesn't care about anyone and the performers are expendable. The most simple way to prove that is to ask any of them if they bother testing for Hepatitis B & C. Both transmitted sexually and can kill, yet nobody tests for it? :helpme

Sorry eroticsexxx, but Nina did a great job and should not be blamed. If there was a cover up it should of been exposed. Let me tell you why we should know who is on the list. In the last outbreak here, we had a few performers who had sex off camera with a girl who was on the first generation list.

One of the performers lied and said he did not have sex with the women. It took the director who fucked her of camera and another male talent who fucked her too, to go to AIM and report him. It also took a picture of him having sex with her to finally comply and go on the first generation list.

Do you see where I am going here, if we don't know who the people are that were involed, they will try and work not with their new AIM test, but their old one which is still good. If you think we can trust an honor system in this industry then you are going to be let down.

Once you test you sign away your right to privacy, we our in the sex industry. People in this industry have a right to know who is in quarintine.

Not literally the back door, but you know what I mean.

I have no idea who it is, if anyone wants to tell me via ICQ...

But he will work again. Perhaps not with you or a few others, but generally speaking, he will work.

Honestly, I think it comes down to personal responsibility to protect yourself because nobody else in LA is going to do it for you. Just having a recent AIM test, while better than nothing, is not enough. Performers should research who they are working with. For example, females should know if the male also works in the gay industry. Performers should DEMAND full STI testing and full disclosure of the results of the person they are about to work with.

Back many years ago I caught Jade Marcella working with a bogus AIM test. World Modeling was the agent at the time and neither them or AIM really gave a shit but AIM did say that she had not tested in something like 9 months!!! All the while she had been working in LA with a bogus test and NOBODY, NOT ONE COMPANY OR DIRECTOR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

Of course, this was a while ago and I hope LA has since got its act together, but the sound of all this new crap makes me wonder.

I agree with DWB without government intervention it will be back to business as usual in no time my buddy JimmyD (James DiGiorgio) coined the phrase "You can't flunk out of porn" and it has been proven over and over and over to be true.

There is a difference between disseminating information properly and creating mass panic. That is one of the reason why HIV+ test results are kept as private as possible. People get afraid, emotional and outraged.

What everyone is claiming is a cover-up was simply protocol being followed. Instead of letting a testing center do what they were paid to do, everyone jumped ahead and did their own thing.

I can't be the only person who can understand why AIM would not simply release information willy-nilly to everyone in the way that Nina did. Or should we expect AIM to create a thread on GFY anytime someone tests positive for any STD?

I'm not saying that people do not have the right to know. What I AM saying is that procedure needs to be followed - in a more professional, controlled way instead of releasing the information on a public forum.

Wouldn't that make common sense?

As I said before, an HIV+ test result can turn any company or industry upside down. Seeing that sex is what we are all about that makes it even more important, but we ALL need to realize that certain information about our industry should not be simply published out to the world without consulting and confirming with industry leaders.

What's to stop another person next week from doing the same thing? The next thing you know, nothing will be sacred and no one will have any semblance of privacy in this industry.

What about all the guys who are shooting porn in the rest of the country? Or the rest of the world? It's kinda a conundrum of what to do. An irresponsible, drug addicted, or irrational girl (and we don't have any of those around do we?) could just as easily have driven to Phoenix with a forged test and shot with Dogfart or Lightspeed or Royal Vault or any of the other companies there. But now that a big blowup has happened and everybody knows about it...everybody is now on their toes.

I don't know what the answer is except for more frequent testing as we argued about before...it'll have to be done cheaper and in a more timely manner as it is done in 10,000 subsidized clinics around the U.S. for free

No truer words have ever been spoken. :2 cents:


Exactly.

Good luck getting anyone outside of the USA to work within the same rules as the people in California have abide by.

From the other thread - the solution. Which, once this is implemented, can utilize free/subsidized clinics across the continental US and, in the future, globally

By the way, one of my companies can source, implement, configure and maintain such a system.

Exactly. They contact the people who have had sex with her. This would have come out one way or another. :2 cents:

Yes. It would have come out to studios, producers, actors and actresses within the industry in a controlled manner that was consistent with medical procedure.

Not in a way that was basically a free-for-all, where everyone and their uncle pointed fingers, assumed, blamed, criticized and spread distorted information.

Big difference.

Some pretty stong allegations, Mike, especially when you say AIM lied --are you making these as an individual, or as a journalist/www.mikesouth.com?! If you are proven correct, your future postings and opinions/sources/accusations will rightly gain increased readership; but, if you're wrong, aren't you afraid that some folks will steer away from your site, and some GFY folks might write you off as loud-but-irrelevent ?

I've asked you twice in another thread about your "reporting" that the male talent involved was "threatened" by AIM--again, for the third time, please tell us if the "threat" was threatening action by AIM, or whether the "threat" might actually have been caring-counseling that the individual needs to be sure he doesn't get in trouble with LA County/CA/USA if he releases medical info that is unlawful to release (in which case, it's not really an "AIM threat", but merely briefing/counseling---right?).

Kayden and Matt might not be the only sources you should depend upon -- care to name your sources so that we readers can feel good about your postings?

Good luck!

Some pretty stong allegations, Mike, especially when you say AIM lied --are you making these as an individual, or as a journalist/www.mikesouth.com?! If you are proven correct, your future postings and opinions/sources/accusations will rightly gain increased readership; but, if you're wrong, aren't you afraid that some folks will steer away from your site, and some GFY folks might write you off as loud-but-irrelevent ?

I've asked you twice in another thread about your "reporting" that the male talent involved was "threatened" by AIM--again, for the third time, please tell us if the "threat" was threatening action by AIM, or whether the "threat" might actually have been caring-counseling that the individual needs to be sure he doesn't get in trouble with LA County/CA/USA if he releases medical info that is unlawful to release (in which case, it's not really an "AIM threat", but merely briefing/counseling---right?).

Kayden and Matt might not be the only sources you should depend upon -- care to name your sources so that we readers can feel good about your postings?

Good luck!

funny you mention Kayden of all people she knows far less than I do, she asks me for info. As for Matt I dont know who that is.

I can only say that two of the parties directly involved told me that aim has threatened them with legal action if they come forward.

as for aim lying, that is well documented right here aim lied about this from day one then came back and told a half truth.

AIM doesn't need mikesouth.com to make them look bad they are doing an exemplary job on their own.

I know everyone involved and I have made efforts to speak directly with everyone involved, not all agreed to speak but not all didnt.

Are we talking Hans Holbein the Younger...

http://www.shafe.co.uk/crystal/image...odors_1533.jpg

...or Hans Holbein the Elder?:

http://www.rotten.com/art/holbein/st-sebastian.jpg

ADG

well the weekend is almost over...

the younger

yes the weekend is over and yes pretty much everyone in porn knows...at least everyone that wants to know

http://991.com/NewGallery/Robert-Fri...ing-443220.jpg

Since you are suggesting that you and the porn elite are in the know, explain why you won't say who the Producer/Director is, and if you won't/can't, why not?

What patient confidentiality rules apply to identifying a Producer/Director, as long as you don't identify the performers tested?

Otherwise, really what is the point of this thread?

ADG

instant hiv
 

Skimmed the thread and saw someone mentioned the need for an instant HIV test.

I actually work with a company that provides this in a ton of markets..www.tkno.org can get there within an hour if they service your market.

damn I feel so left out lol

I agree with you 1000000000000000% bro. you are so correct.
Duke

Hep C will take you out quicker that HIV. And, its 20 times more virulent.
Personally, I'd choose HIV over Hep C. Anyday. I know people with both... And the HIV'ers are doing fine. The Heppers are holding on for dear life :(
Duke

I cant name anyone publicly I dont want the expense of fending off a lawsuit but ask around...its common knowledge