$10 million a year, he was doing something right?

This is all because the cops didn't want to pay for it.

Yes it is true it has been brought up before and it blows my mind anyone promoted them after that. Further more he explained how to remove affiliate cookies in the members area forum bitching about how affiliates limit his (posted as a girl though) ability to make money.

I remember when Abby Winters first started out, and they turned that site and their DVD series into quite a success. What's crazy about this story is that their content is comparatively so softcore- mostly amateur Australian girls in solo masturbation photos & videos and girl-girl scenes too. Pretty defensible stuff against all but the most stringent obscenity laws in any Western nation. I imagine that even in Australia, with a good attorney they at least would have a chance to create a legal precedent if they fought it all the way. Of course drawing local attention in the communities with those flyers and even worse, the possibility they filmed an underaged model if the charges are for real complicate things quite a bit.

Galitsin got out of prison 2-3 month ago.

:1orglaugh

Ahh.. well who was the fuck that came on here and posted he got killed in prison over there? I know someone posted that shit like 6 months or so after that fuck was busted.

that's pretty fucked up

It might have been longer than 2-3 months ago actually.

I don't think I saw the original thread about him being killed. I came across a load of new stuff about him recently and it talked about suicide rumors in prison.

There's a load of pictures of him and his wife after their release on Flickr or somewhere like that and loads of blog stuff too.

They denied us as well :Oh crap

Yeah, seriously, fuck them.

Oh, and fiddy.

Garion made a statement: http://www.somebodythinkofthechildre...ues-statement/

well case closed guess?

At least they got some publicity out of it.

you can go down the same way.

put aside your little differences and stop being such little bitches.

i thought you were on holidays man.

I wonder where "abby" is in all this. We've had Abby Winters listed even before they had an affiliate program, and well before she brought on Garion and all the staff. We used to talk quite a bit in e-mail.

Anyone know if she's still involved in the business?

And isn't Heidelberg in Germany?

killing some time as my plain goes tomorrow afternoon ;))

hey Roald man can you hit me up quick with your reviews.freeones.com RSS/XML feed, that other review sites use? My programmer wants to handle that tonight if possible... [email protected] if you don't wanna post it here

Have a good trip!

You will get an email from one of the tech guys tomorrow morning about it.

Cheers!

According to wikipedia Abby might just be a pseudonym used by Garion.

Very good reminder of how pathetic the people making and enforcing laws are. Imagine the amount of resources wasted on this nonsense...

I didnt know australia was so backwards live and learn a new thing everyday

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

hopefully you didn't have cybersex.

Abby = Garion

are they out of their mind? freeones.com as an affiliate is like finding gold at the end of the rainbow.. I would kill to have you guys as my affiliate.

*slurp* *slurp*

maybe they did not want to pay the 70% payout freeones requires??

Another Classic. Remind sof the guy who had the argument with the bot and then came of GFY and said he owned the chick he was talking to not realizing it was a bot spamming him...lol

they are nazis when it comes to affiliates, if you dont do 30 sales a week or something which you can do, they will cut you off.

A sale is a sale, but I guess they must write the checks by hand

Abby Winters is a pseudonym.

In the members area there is a forum. One of the most active threads tells members that if they joined through a blog, TGP, etc they used an affiliate code. Then it tells them to cancel and rejoin so the girl gets all of the money. This is bullshit because there is no profit sharing with 98% of the girls on the site. Yes there are some that stick around like some FTV girls (allison, danielle,etc) but most of the girls are cash in hand paid a flat fee then told to bug off.

This is not stated to the members. I tried letting the members know this fact and that the advertisers that bring Abby Winters traffic are told one thing (you get rebills) and then given a different set of terms (you get your rebills canceled)... You (the surfer) would not know Abby Winters existed if it weren't for advertisers! So we are indeed giving Abby Winters massive exposure they would never have themselves and then we are getting screwed!

I got flamed for about 2 hours and then the reply was deleted and my account terminated.

Both affiliate and members... I asked why and they never gave me a reason.

A few years later I re-applied as my business and got accepted again. Made dozens of sales and NEVER one single rebill!

Oops... make that 1 rebill for ever 25 signups...

Now look at rebills with other teen niche sponsors:

CCBILL (average) 1:1.5
Island Dollars 1:1.68
Jayman Cash 1:0.58
Lightspeed 1:1.2
Niche Money 1:1.3
Panchodog 1:1.1
Teen Revenue 1:1.7
Teen Dolls 1:3.4

Abby Winters 1:25

And people ask me all the time why I don't promote the site more? Dude, I am making blah blah.. and blah... and how many rebills? ohh... Only a couple... We compare the same traffic sent to other sponsors and I make 3 times as much...

Oops Part II...

I just got my payment from them... I love them now. Watch me post several blog posts tonight!

Whoa, talk about some shady shit!

Back when I was in Queensland it was illegal to shoot hardcore porn. Also illegal to host porn in aus, not like you would since the price is 10x what you pay for os hosting.

Denied by someone? check my sig

in my opinion it would still be worth it in the long term. It's not like freeones is a small fish so they can produce high volumes so 70% is worth it in the long run. I would go into full details on how this would be beneficial to everyone involved, but I'm a little busy right now.

Any sponsor that doesn't know Freeones traffic is heaven sent is a moron... Especially one that is going to tell the surfer to cancel and re-signup anyway.

Gee.. should I feel special...? I've been an affiliate since 2005.

:( :(

You already know you're special.