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uno 06-19-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 15979995)
Is it just a coincidence that all these ST sites are dropping in ranks?

Or could there be something else in common between all these dropped sites that we aren't thinking of?

It's obviously an illuminati/bilderberg/lizard people conspiracy.

Blackamooka 06-19-2009 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 15980206)
It's obviously an illuminati/bilderberg/lizard people conspiracy.

Don't forget 9/11.

arock10 06-19-2009 08:42 PM

unique linking structure ftw

Pleasurepays 06-19-2009 08:46 PM

no one is blaming Bush yet?

uno 06-19-2009 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15980236)
no one is blaming Bush yet?

Sorry, I thought that was implied without saying as his father is a well known lizard person.

Webmaster Army 06-19-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15979833)
That is a shitty link, it tells nothing about what happened.

The -60 penalty is associated with bad inbound links, purchased links, or link farms(too many outbounds).

Huh? Multiple things in that list are things just about any TGP would not pass on. Did you even read it?

Pleasurepays 06-19-2009 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 15980242)
Sorry, I thought that was implied without saying as his father is a well known lizard person.

According to Phillip Schneider, we've worked everything out with the lizard people and all is good. (well... except for Phillip's untimely death)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8b5Ea3dgK3c

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hbONIQfQmDU

https://youtube.com/watch?v=srX0lNQ6Kb0

arock10 06-19-2009 08:56 PM

google wasted a bunch of video dump sites last year at the end of the summer, I guess this year ST and a few misc other sites got it

and yes, I still havent gotten my 30k a day back so suck it up

Agent 488 06-19-2009 08:56 PM

don't fuck with Phillip Schneider - he shot grey aliens in an underground base or whatever.

Agent 488 06-19-2009 08:58 PM

anyone selling any smart thumbs licences?

Pleasurepays 06-19-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 15980257)
don't fuck with Phillip Schneider - he shot grey aliens in an underground base or whatever.

he was also shot by an alien... resulting in wounds which oddly enough... looked a lot like an explosives accident resulting in burns to his chest and taking off some fingers... and coincidentally, he was a demolitions expert.

riveting stuff!

Agent 488 06-19-2009 09:01 PM

huh? it's just some article i found on the fly but everything you said there is covered in the article as what to avoid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15979833)
That is a shitty link, it tells nothing about what happened.

The -60 penalty is associated with bad inbound links, purchased links, or link farms(too many outbounds).


Pleasurepays 06-19-2009 09:02 PM

and if i recall.. he shot an alien, in their under ground civilization with a Walther PPK - or the same pistol that James Bond used.

amazing stuff!!

Agent 488 06-19-2009 09:02 PM

well we may have a lead on who wired up the twin towers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15980264)
he was also shot by an alien... resulting in wounds which oddly enough... looked a lot like an explosives accident resulting in burns to his chest and taking off some fingers... and coincidentally, he was a demolitions expert.

riveting stuff!


Shoplifter 06-19-2009 09:06 PM

Well this is going to ripple through the industry...

Gonna hear some big crying next week from everyone if this doesn't revert.

Agent 488 06-19-2009 09:06 PM

can't say what happened in your case arock - but i ran a link anchor check on most of the sites over at iq that got penalized and they never varied their anchor text - always assumed that's why they were penalzied - though of course i may be wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 15980254)
google wasted a bunch of video dump sites last year at the end of the summer, I guess this year ST and a few misc other sites got it

and yes, I still havent gotten my 30k a day back so suck it up


Jdoughs 06-19-2009 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Army (Post 15980247)
Huh? Multiple things in that list are things just about any TGP would not pass on. Did you even read it?

Of course I read it. And its just another post made by some fucktard telling people the most standard of SEO advice.

There is no meat in that post.

By the way, I didn't lose any serps, I gained some, and have pulled more then a few domains out of penalty, I'm not just talking out of my ass here.

I called this one well over 24 hrs ago and knew the penalty and particulars. And I'm not posting in numerous of these threads on numerous boards to talk shit, I'm just offering experienced advice.

the Shemp 06-19-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dready (Post 15979145)
It seems at 1pm EST yesterday, a LOT of TGPs running ST saw their SERPs drop big time. Pretty much anyone that had a keyword on page 1 saw it drop to page 6.

The only TGPs I see in top 10s now are running obscure scripts, or something custom.

Seriously upset here... anyone else seeing this?

that's a shame ...

geedub 06-19-2009 09:47 PM

whats up team smart script?

KillerK 06-19-2009 10:10 PM

no word from the author?

MoreMagic 06-19-2009 10:21 PM

Iframe can become your friend here.....................................

cosis 06-19-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 15979873)
the sad truth


but make "illegal" tubes, because google will love them more than the legal ones pretty soon when all the "legal" ones with sponsor hosted 2 minute clips will end up getting this kind of page 6 google penalty

it is a sick internet world we live in :2 cents:

legal tubes are a waste of time

Doctor Feelgood 06-19-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo (Post 15979991)
I use AutoGallery SQL, my search engine traffic has increased 5x just from today...

no change here

Agent 488 06-19-2009 11:35 PM

i just looked at a serp i had been shooting for. it used to be like tpgs a blog and a tube now there are no tgps just a tubes, linklists and blogs

would be odd is the google update that has been rolling out since the beginning of the month kills off all tgps.

GAMEFINEST 06-19-2009 11:43 PM

that is not good biz

Godsmack 06-20-2009 12:26 AM

I lost over 70k google! we have no clue why this happens like everyone else...if we know why this happens we may find some fix for it. Also i wanna say that it's a bit too easy putting the blame on ST unless we know exactly whats happening.

blazin 06-20-2009 01:06 AM

Yeah I had a site that was the first search result drop to the 4th page

shermo 06-20-2009 01:22 AM

I lost some BIG SERPs, and was running ALL paid licenses of ST. Each of the sites dropped completely. Who has a solution in place that is willing to work with me over the weekend to get converted?

I may have to go from TGP to legal tube if this doesn't return to normal (which I do not prefer to do). The odd thing is that I NEVER used the auto import tool, all of my galleries were custom added, and I wasn't running archives (just a single page).

If anybody hears anything else, I'd love to hear from you. :)

MoreMagic 06-20-2009 01:29 AM

Last time i say it.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreMagic (Post 15980411)
Iframe can become your friend here.....................................


Trax 06-20-2009 01:37 AM

smartthumbs just officially died
pretty fucked up

Ecchi22 06-20-2009 01:48 AM

Damn :( I'm not using smart thumbs, but my friend is affected.. He was #1 for one popular keyword, now I can't see his website on 1st page on google :/

This sucks a lot. Really big change in just one day

hjnet 06-20-2009 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreMagic (Post 15980602)
Last time i say it.......

Well, tell us the details, how, why, and where to read about it :thumbsup

Zorgman 06-20-2009 03:47 AM

wow, thats got to suck. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, for the most part, SE traffic is our income, take it away and we're sucking eggs.

hribar81 06-20-2009 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mobilefun1987 (Post 15979980)
who?.....

I do. This sucks big time...

idtapdat 06-20-2009 06:16 AM

yea this is brutal.........

master_design 06-20-2009 06:26 AM

wow that sucks:Oh crap

Si 06-20-2009 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hribar81 (Post 15980849)
I do. This sucks big time...

seems a lot do aswell :Oh crap

dready 06-20-2009 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15980272)
and if i recall.. he shot an alien, in their under ground civilization with a Walther PPK - or the same pistol that James Bond used.

amazing stuff!!

I've met that guy before. He's quite the storyteller.

Pleasurepays 06-20-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dready (Post 15981136)
I've met that guy before. He's quite the storyteller.

really? that's kind of fascinating to me. i mean i think he was a lunatic and full of shit.. but at the same time, i think it would be sort of interesting and sobering to sit in a room full of people and listen to all that... looking around seeing everyone stare in total amazement.

how did you meet him? at a speaking engagement?

dready 06-20-2009 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15981158)
really? that's kind of fascinating to me. i mean i think he was a lunatic and full of shit.. but at the same time, i think it would be sort of interesting and sobering to sit in a room full of people and listen to all that... looking around seeing everyone stare in total amazement.

how did you meet him? at a speaking engagement?

Yeah, about 10 years ago at a convention. I chatted with him briefly after. He makes it sound pretty believable, but I agree, he's a nutbar.

TheSenator 06-20-2009 10:02 AM

This is fucked up!

This is my analysis....

I think a few bad apples using Smart Thumb used exploits. I remember cruising Google for key phrases and would come across TGPs that would lock you in until you clicked or download something. The site would eventually die a quick death but another would pop right back up with these exploits.

Google's algorithm couldn't keep up because Google bot would be re-directed to a clean version of the site. My theory is that Google did a manual manipulation of its search algorithm to throw back sites using Smart Thumbs. The bad apples using Smart Thumbs cause this Google backlash.

or I could be completely wrong....

Pleasurepays 06-20-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 15981249)
This is fucked up!

This is my analysis....

I think a few bad apples using Smart Thumb used exploits. I remember cruising Google for key phrases and would come across TGPs that would lock you in until you clicked or download something. The site would eventually die a quick death but another would pop right back up with these exploits.

Google's algorithm couldn't keep up because Google bot would be re-directed to a clean version of the site. My theory is that Google did a manual manipulation of its search algorithm to throw back sites using Smart Thumbs. The bad apples using Smart Thumbs cause this Google backlash.

or I could be completely wrong....

yes! google is super concerned with relevant porn results. nothing they hate more than having a surfer typein "asian ladyboys sucking assholes" and getting mixed results back.

they don't manually manipulate results. they just don't. they don't look at 1.5 trillion stored pages and try to figure out how to improve the results for "donkey fucked teens"

that's not how search engines work... and its self defeating if you have to manually create good results vs find a tweak to algorithmically produce the best results. further, looking in that direction doesn't give you a solution (although it would be quite expected for everyone to jump on the "there's nothing i can do and its not my fault" bandwagon which is popular in porn)

since i have free ST sites with ZERO outbound links and NOTHING going on that also ended up getting penalized, i would suggest again that it has to with the smart thumbs link and how those links link to other sites. its not about whether a site has it or not (paid or free version).. its about those sites, and who's linking to who and the general link matrix itself.

there is ZERO contextual relevance between "smart thumbs" and "naked midgets" and the these sites are typically shitty, low quality sites that look EXACTLY like an auto generated link farm from a search engines eyes without a decent number of quality back links. Just pages with zero info with 100's of outbound links per page. linking to what can be considered a spam site can hurt you just as much as having your own network of spam sites interlinked can hurt you. having a "clean site" that gets penalized tells you that you should also be looking at your link trades and who you are trading hard links with. you'll find that your "clean site" suddenly just got a little dirtier.

why is this happening for sure? who knows. i personally dont care enough to figure it out because the TGP model in its traditional form is 100% doomed to fail no matter what. we used ST to put domains live that we might develop in 3-4 months.

all people have to do is start posting domains, start making lists of the commonalities and start trouble shooting... or do that with your own networks. but of course, this biz is too backwards for that to happen :) it could be that there are some common hardlink trades that are causing this... could be a lot of things. it simply requires a methodical approach to building a list of common factors and then determining which can/cannot be ruled out... and then looking at the remaining factors and testing.

you already have a strong lead... it seems to be affecting ST sites. so you've already narrowed it down from around 1.5 million domains to 1000's.

1200mics 06-20-2009 10:43 AM

Wow looks like i lost more then 50% of my traffic :(
I guess the only thing we could do is ask Google in webmasters central and try to make ST script more seo friendly ?

We will need much luck and health to overcome this .. so good luck all Smart thumbers :thumbs up:

sortie 06-20-2009 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 15981249)
This is fucked up!

This is my analysis....

I think a few bad apples using Smart Thumb used exploits. I remember cruising Google for key phrases and would come across TGPs that would lock you in until you clicked or download something. The site would eventually die a quick death but another would pop right back up with these exploits.

Google's algorithm couldn't keep up because Google bot would be re-directed to a clean version of the site. My theory is that Google did a manual manipulation of its search algorithm to throw back sites using Smart Thumbs. The bad apples using Smart Thumbs cause this Google backlash.

or I could be completely wrong....

You could be but you ain't!

This non-sense about the back link to smart thumbs causing a problem is bullshit,
especially considering that smart thumbs still comes up #1 on the first page.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJAI N0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJA IN0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=tgp+s...fp=leBsIIJAIN0

Holy shit! Smart thumbs is way down to 4th on the 1st page for "tgp script"

So if google thinks the back link is spam then why penalize the site/message board
that got spammed and not the domain being spammed?

The other option would be that smart thumbs is using an SEO method that google
has decided to penalize. Add in some spammy sites and that's enough.

HorseShit 06-20-2009 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1200mics (Post 15981320)
Wow looks like i lost more then 50% of my traffic :(
I guess the only thing we could do is ask Google in webmasters central and try to make ST script more seo friendly ?

We will need much luck and health to overcome this .. so good luck all Smart thumbers :thumbs up:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 06-20-2009 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sortie (Post 15981352)
You could be but you ain't!

This non-sense about the back link to smart thumbs causing a problem is bullshit,
especially considering that smart thumbs still comes up #1 on the first page.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJAI N0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJA IN0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=tgp+s...fp=leBsIIJAIN0

Holy shit! Smart thumbs is way down to 4th on the 1st page for "tgp script"

So if google thinks the back link is spam then why penalize the site/message board
that got spammed and not the domain being spammed?

The other option would be that smart thumbs is using an SEO method that google
has decided to penalize. Add in some spammy sites and that's enough.

a site doesn't get penalized because of links pointing to it.
:2 cents:

Ecchi22 06-20-2009 11:10 AM

Seems that http://petitenympha.com got penalty too..

cykoe6 06-20-2009 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsmack (Post 15980556)
I lost over 70k google! we have no clue why this happens like everyone else...if we know why this happens we may find some fix for it. Also i wanna say that it's a bit too easy putting the blame on ST unless we know exactly whats happening.

I agree. I have ST sites that were not penalized.

sortie 06-20-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15981373)
a site doesn't get penalized because of links pointing to it.
:2 cents:

Exactly, so why punish the site pointing to it?

By your scenario we should all be penalized for pointing to the same sponsors.

Slick 06-20-2009 12:03 PM

Thank God I don't use Smart Thumbs ;)

I do feel sorry for the rest of you though because I do trade with a lot of you guys. Hopefully shit can get straightened out with it.


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