Iframe can become your friend here.....................................

legal tubes are a waste of time

no change here

i just looked at a serp i had been shooting for. it used to be like tpgs a blog and a tube now there are no tgps just a tubes, linklists and blogs

would be odd is the google update that has been rolling out since the beginning of the month kills off all tgps.

that is not good biz

I lost over 70k google! we have no clue why this happens like everyone else...if we know why this happens we may find some fix for it. Also i wanna say that it's a bit too easy putting the blame on ST unless we know exactly whats happening.

Yeah I had a site that was the first search result drop to the 4th page

I lost some BIG SERPs, and was running ALL paid licenses of ST. Each of the sites dropped completely. Who has a solution in place that is willing to work with me over the weekend to get converted?

I may have to go from TGP to legal tube if this doesn't return to normal (which I do not prefer to do). The odd thing is that I NEVER used the auto import tool, all of my galleries were custom added, and I wasn't running archives (just a single page).

If anybody hears anything else, I'd love to hear from you. :)

Last time i say it.......

smartthumbs just officially died
pretty fucked up

Damn :( I'm not using smart thumbs, but my friend is affected.. He was #1 for one popular keyword, now I can't see his website on 1st page on google :/

This sucks a lot. Really big change in just one day

Well, tell us the details, how, why, and where to read about it :thumbsup

wow, thats got to suck. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, for the most part, SE traffic is our income, take it away and we're sucking eggs.

I do. This sucks big time...

yea this is brutal.........

wow that sucks:Oh crap

seems a lot do aswell :Oh crap

I've met that guy before. He's quite the storyteller.

really? that's kind of fascinating to me. i mean i think he was a lunatic and full of shit.. but at the same time, i think it would be sort of interesting and sobering to sit in a room full of people and listen to all that... looking around seeing everyone stare in total amazement.

how did you meet him? at a speaking engagement?

Yeah, about 10 years ago at a convention. I chatted with him briefly after. He makes it sound pretty believable, but I agree, he's a nutbar.

This is fucked up!

This is my analysis....

I think a few bad apples using Smart Thumb used exploits. I remember cruising Google for key phrases and would come across TGPs that would lock you in until you clicked or download something. The site would eventually die a quick death but another would pop right back up with these exploits.

Google's algorithm couldn't keep up because Google bot would be re-directed to a clean version of the site. My theory is that Google did a manual manipulation of its search algorithm to throw back sites using Smart Thumbs. The bad apples using Smart Thumbs cause this Google backlash.

or I could be completely wrong....

yes! google is super concerned with relevant porn results. nothing they hate more than having a surfer typein "asian ladyboys sucking assholes" and getting mixed results back.

they don't manually manipulate results. they just don't. they don't look at 1.5 trillion stored pages and try to figure out how to improve the results for "donkey fucked teens"

that's not how search engines work... and its self defeating if you have to manually create good results vs find a tweak to algorithmically produce the best results. further, looking in that direction doesn't give you a solution (although it would be quite expected for everyone to jump on the "there's nothing i can do and its not my fault" bandwagon which is popular in porn)

since i have free ST sites with ZERO outbound links and NOTHING going on that also ended up getting penalized, i would suggest again that it has to with the smart thumbs link and how those links link to other sites. its not about whether a site has it or not (paid or free version).. its about those sites, and who's linking to who and the general link matrix itself.

there is ZERO contextual relevance between "smart thumbs" and "naked midgets" and the these sites are typically shitty, low quality sites that look EXACTLY like an auto generated link farm from a search engines eyes without a decent number of quality back links. Just pages with zero info with 100's of outbound links per page. linking to what can be considered a spam site can hurt you just as much as having your own network of spam sites interlinked can hurt you. having a "clean site" that gets penalized tells you that you should also be looking at your link trades and who you are trading hard links with. you'll find that your "clean site" suddenly just got a little dirtier.

why is this happening for sure? who knows. i personally dont care enough to figure it out because the TGP model in its traditional form is 100% doomed to fail no matter what. we used ST to put domains live that we might develop in 3-4 months.

all people have to do is start posting domains, start making lists of the commonalities and start trouble shooting... or do that with your own networks. but of course, this biz is too backwards for that to happen :) it could be that there are some common hardlink trades that are causing this... could be a lot of things. it simply requires a methodical approach to building a list of common factors and then determining which can/cannot be ruled out... and then looking at the remaining factors and testing.

you already have a strong lead... it seems to be affecting ST sites. so you've already narrowed it down from around 1.5 million domains to 1000's.

Wow looks like i lost more then 50% of my traffic :(
I guess the only thing we could do is ask Google in webmasters central and try to make ST script more seo friendly ?

We will need much luck and health to overcome this .. so good luck all Smart thumbers :thumbs up:

You could be but you ain't!

This non-sense about the back link to smart thumbs causing a problem is bullshit,
especially considering that smart thumbs still comes up #1 on the first page.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJAI N0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=smart...=leBsIIJA IN0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=tgp+s...fp=leBsIIJAIN0

Holy shit! Smart thumbs is way down to 4th on the 1st page for "tgp script"

So if google thinks the back link is spam then why penalize the site/message board
that got spammed and not the domain being spammed?

The other option would be that smart thumbs is using an SEO method that google
has decided to penalize. Add in some spammy sites and that's enough.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

a site doesn't get penalized because of links pointing to it.
:2 cents:

Seems that http://petitenympha.com got penalty too..

I agree. I have ST sites that were not penalized.

Exactly, so why punish the site pointing to it?

By your scenario we should all be penalized for pointing to the same sponsors.

Thank God I don't use Smart Thumbs ;)

I do feel sorry for the rest of you though because I do trade with a lot of you guys. Hopefully shit can get straightened out with it.

if you create 10,000 pages about MILF Hardcore that are crap, auto generated and link them together and link them back to your main site about ponies with the anchor text "i love ponies" in the footer... the pony site won't tank. the link network behind it will... making all the irrelevant, inbound links have no benefit to your pony site. its what spam is. its how spammers spam (although over quite simplified). how many links link back to smart thumbs from low quality, auto-generated pages? how many total pages? 500K? 1,000,000? 5,000,000? how many of those sites are also linked together?

i'm not saying that's why btw.. i'm just saying that the common thread is going to most likely be linking relationships between pages and the smart thumbs link "might be" a factor in getting these sites tagged as spam... because its totally irrelevant to anything and their site is not contextually relevant to anything linking to it and because people are throwing up auto-generated sites right and left with free versions. and just because you have a paid version w/o the link doesn't mean you aren't interlinked with these same sites via trades/hard link trades and being treated the same.

a site would survive this if they had quality back links... causing it to be treated differently.

at the end of the day, the common thread is ST it seems. google doesn't manually manipulate results. so there are going to be commonalities between these sites that are causing these. since i have several with ZERO outbound links and with no text and that aren't optimized for ANY phrase, i would say it most likely has nothing to do with over optimization as the 950 penalty does and the greatest common factor is going to be link relationships between sites/pages

anyway... no one is going to agree because that's the nature of people this biz. i don't care other than it's interesting to see and is something that should be understood just for the sake of understanding it. at the end of the day, Google is a math program, executing against algorithms. somehow it tied these sites together and has determined them to be low quality results for their phrases. it might be temporary.. might not be. i would definitely assume that its not. but i would guess that you will also find a pattern among these sites of low PR sites/pages with massive networks of shitty trades to other low PR sites/pages

and to drive home my point once more

this... which looks normal to you guys - http://www.bravoerotica.com/
looks no different than any other spam network to Google, set apart ONLY by its linking relationships to other domains.

100's of outbound links per page
zero unique content
all text/links are site wide and duplicated across every page

that's what i mean when i say that TGP's and link directories are essentially spam networks. i was trying to explain that in the "tubes only suceed because they steal" thread to Robbie who owns grampland.com - attempting to explain to him that his own site is a model that is doomed to fail because ultimately will never be the best result for a phrase other than "links" which is what it is, its a model that can't pass any real PR value to other pages making them important. same for TGP's.. they shouldn't be the best result for anything but "Phrase Pictures" or "Phrase Galleries" - so people shouldn't be surprised to see them start dropping away just as they are and as all the big link list sites are.

google, in most cases stops crawling at 100 links on a page anyway.

that's because of that stupid powered by crap...
I hate that shit on both paid and free scripts of any kind...

LOL!

You guys are so way off.

noticed a bunch of link lists reranking though. not sure what to make of it, just throwing it out there.

Good question. Perhaps that's what caused it...

People should just wait a few days and not panic.. I've got this one site (not ST) that ranks high for a couple terms and every so often google decides to fuck with it for a few days to a week.. Like this week.. Monday the SE raffic dropped to 40% of normal. By wednesday it was at 25% but then yesterday it was back up to about 70% and today looks like it will be at least the same.. So give it a few days..

starting to think about that too, it certainly can't do you any good to have a "powered by" link on any of your sites, other than satisfying the licensing tos, but the same goes for wordpress and even more so wordpress themes,


I'm starting to wonder if the best strategy is to say "FUCKEM" and strip all the designer and powered by backlinks out of the footer of all scripts and designs? :2 cents::helpme

Bump for someone to help a brutha out :)

wow that sucks guys