I have never cut and pasted anything from Huffington post... so you can think what you want.

Obama knew it was based on questionable data and rammed it through anyways.

"CNET reports that less than two weeks before the EPA formally submitted its pro-carbon dioxide regulation recommendation to the White House, an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty 'decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data.'
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10274412-38.html

Here is the 98 page report in pdf format
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf

You know, you should really study a bit. I understand that here with all the liberal retards, you are like a macho. But in the real world, you are nothing but a donkey who doesn't have a clue.
Wait until your black knight in its shining armor comes and tax your little porn sites and makes it illegal as well. Let's see how you feel your dumb piece of fuck :321GFY

That's rught, you're too fucking busy stroking to Barry's hairless chest :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

While you continue to keep running your mouth... why don't you show us you actually know what you are talking about and show me some positively conservative legislation that conservatives have passed that you supported in the last 8 years (6 of which they controlled the congress and presidency).

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not liberal... You clearly have no ammo to fight with and can only post, left, hate, right, bullshit with zero fact to support your ranting.


So you are saying, I would feel like Bush was president again?

This isn't about Global Warming....

It's about moving us into the Energy Technology fields. <-- keep your eye on the ball.

GW is simply a tool "we can all use" to make the technologies we produce have one more leg for being accepted into Countries that "do think" GW is real.

IE: Money for us...

I posted this on another board yesterday.

As suspected, you are a good cut and paster.....

none of the representatives have had a chance to read the full bill before voting... Always a good sign...


Btw, do people still believe that there's no agenda behind this global warming/climate change/carbon dioxide hysteria ? Just the common good ? lol

I'm still waiting on your answer, smart guy. Do you actually know anything or just spout at the mouth like a typical NASCAR fan?

Six weeks to review the bill? I'm confused. Early Friday morning they added hundreds of additional pages. Are you saying everyone in Congress had access to those final several hundred pages for six weeks prior to them being added?

You read the bill?

You mean that you actually believe that crap? The entirety of bills and changes go through committee before they are presented to the floor for votes and the text is available to all members. Whenever you hear anyone saying that they didn't have a chance to read the bills they are lying (on either side).

Actually I do not follow Nascar and I am confused as to what answer you are seeking from me?

Yes... because they just don't get added... they have to be voted on in committee.

only the first 200 pages I believe... This guy just read from news wires and we know they don't like to bother their readers with too much details...

What would the purpose be of letting several hundred pages of a very important Bill sit in committee for six weeks and not be voted into the final Bill until the very last minute? They had six weeks to vote those pages in, why at 3 a.m. on the morning of the final vote?

That's bullshit... you don't know what you are talking about.

completely made up

Dude, download Livestation and add any channel you want, it's BAD ASS (and free)!!! Al Jeezera has turned into an incredible news station, hard to believe I know but they have evolved into something nice.

Thailand is good once you learn how to deal with the Thais and wiggle around their system. Other than visa issues, you can pretty much be left alone with no hassle here.

When they say that 300 pages were added they are lying. The real facts are that the bill was edited for clarity and any changes that were recommended during the committee process. You can track all of the changes to the bill from it's original form at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/show

Yes... I read the entire bill and it was boring.

i also don't get the gist of the thread topic-

mj died thursday distracting all americans citizens causing their house representatives to vote yes on the bill friday?

Just because they voted on them doesn't mean they have been read. There are congressmen admitting on TV that they haven't read these bills they are voting for. They don't care what anyone thinks.

I don't think you even have a clue about the process that a bill goes through before vote. There are very specific rules that have to be followed that have been established in the Congress over 200+ years. They can't just introduce a bill for vote without following those rules. Why don't you educate yourself before you continue: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.toc.html

You are correct. If they said they didn't read the bill then they are admitting that they didn't do their jobs. They have entire staffs including lawyers who are supposed to provide them with a summary of what the bill contains at the very least. If they didn't read the bill it's because they are purely not doing their jobs and spending too much time doing TV interviews and attending fundraisers.

Well i'm glad the rules are always followed... uhhh..

(PATRIOT ACT) Rep. Bobby Scott (Committee on the Judiciary member) said, “I think it is appropriate to comment on the process by which the bill is coming to us. This is not the bill that was reported and deliberated on in the Committee on the Judiciary. It came to us late on the floor. No one has really had an opportunity to look at the bill to see what is in it since we have been out of our offices.” Rep. John Conyers, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, declared, “we are now debating at this hour of night, with only two copies of the bill that we are being asked to vote on available to Members on this side of the aisle.”


Btw, you first claimed that the bill in it's entirety was available to congress 6 weeks prior to the vote... and you claim to know what you are talking about? lol You are delusional.. commitee isn't congress :2 cents:

assumptions are not facts :2 cents:

The patriot act is not a good comparison because it was passed before the transparency sites were created (probably as a reaction to the patriot act). Now you can track all changes to a bill from it's introduction through passage. You can look at all of the changes yourself (as I said). I know it was available because I READ IT.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/text

You can continue to keep showing how little you know and you can continue to berate me... but the FACT is that the bill (and all bills) are available on opencongress.org from their introduction... just because you don't follow things as closely as I do doesn't mean you are stupid... just ignorant of the actual facts.

I don't understand why the transparency sites would make the Patriot Act any less of a good example, unless of course, you are saying that they didn't follow the proper procedure before the transparency sites existed.

yes.. Ive been to 4 other countries

The rules were followed then too... they can't get around them. It was the same thing then as they are saying now... "I didn't get to read the bill"... That is bullshit. I am just saying that I can't verify that what they were saying is true because these sites were created AFTER the Patriot Act was already passed and the Patriot Act isn't on those sites (as far as I can see). The bottom line is that they can't introduce a bill for vote unless each side has sufficient time to review the bill and debate it. So if they say that they didn't get to read the bill before vote... that is bullshit. If they did that the opposition and every government watch organization would SUE.

BTW... Kucinich said he read the Patriot Act during a Democratic Debate last spring... if he read it then why couldn't anyone else?

Stop whining and invest in the solar panel industry. When you are creating your own clean electricity it's a win-win. Change is hard, but not impossible. We've been doing nothing for way too long. Time to wake up from the oil haze we've all been hiding under.

Long live Republicans! We had outdone ourselves during the last 8 years. You liberal morons enjoying the world's best economy because of us republicans. There is no such thing as global warming.. it's just a figment of your imagination. And fuck! We DO NOT need alternate energy sources. Just put Bush back in power and watch how he makes Iran supply us with oil for eternity.. so we failed to do the same in Iraq.. we learnt from our mistake, now we just need to invade Iran that we should have to begin with and will be the answer to all our problems!

You faggot liberal black ass kissers can now just watch Obama get impeached! Yes, just watch..

Ah, do you really exect me to discuss legislative acts with you on gfy?
You must be kidding, right?
You post shit you don't understand and spew crap from HP like you were some kind of educated tree fucker...

The situation is simple, Obama is even dumber than Dubya, only difference is that some people thinks that barry can deliver a speech, I don't think so myself, he just looks like an arrogant donkey that he is.

Now you can insult me all you want, I'll just go back to enjoying my capitalist earned $$$ :321GFY

Wow... really? Are you the bastion of intelligence in your village or do they leave the thinking to someone else?

Sarcasm.

No... I don't have that much faith in your ability to portray anything resembling an educated discussion because it doesn't involve beer or tits.

Yeah... educated people DO fuck trees... Who knew??? :Note

That is the funny part of your positions... if it were up to conservatives... you wouldn't be making a dime in porn. :2 cents:

You are so pathetic, it's funny :1orglaugh

Really? How so? Put your money where your mouth is and tell me how I am pathetic in educated terms rather than the veiled racist and psuedo hillbilly terms you usually use. :pimp

It's pseudo and hillbilly I am not:2 cents:

pseudo: Thanks for clearing that up. :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shit, I forgot to put directfiesta in the tags. Sorry

Yeppers... it's a bill attached to several ideas/theory. The idea of GW and other ideas issues that the bill covers, is nothing more than a trend attached to another bill, to help it pass.

Just like with Bush, add patriotism, tanks, 9/11 to a bill or even a gov grant, and it would go through. Follow the trends and your bills get passed.



Yeppers, the Republicans did an amazing job, hell even the last what, 16 years? Yeah, we have to ignore the biggest dept in history, mas war crimes, all the lies told, total rip of our civil liberties, a totally trash economy, mass deregulations, the largest rip off of money in history, and much more... but all that stuff is the minor details to the greater good.



Good point... Really proves something...

On the front page I stated "Did you call / write your congress person and tell them not to support the bill?"

Your statement proves how many of the "haters" in this thread, never spoke up in the first place.... or they aren't American.

oh no no no no.... its not about "climate change"... he's been very clear when cornered about the obvious devastating consequences this will have for middle/low income people ... "this is a job creation bill"

if the issue of the day was Emperor Penguins in the Brooklyn Zoo... it would be a penguin bill and everyone would still applaud the courage of a fucking jackass who has nothing to offer but a nice smile and great speaking skills.