obama thanks...

Not as much as we did when you reelected Bush now that got 80% of the world laughing.

okaaaaay

i love that the guy can tell people point blank.. that in the middle of the worst recession since the depression (his well used words)... that in the middle of accelerating the national debt in a way that's never been done before... in the middle of trying to take over the health care system in another multi-trillion dollar debacle with no way to pay for it... that in the middle of giving almost a trillion dollars to failing companies... the guy can come out and say "Oh, by the way, we are going to cause the cost of energy to sky rocket" and people are so very cool with that.

its like no one understands basic math. how do you think food is grown and transported? how do you think ANYTHING happens in the universe? it requires energy. energy is an expense. the cost of everything you buy is about to go up significantly at a time when the economy is totally fucked, when people are losing their homes, when people are losing jobs and so on ... but that's totally cool. its not just the cost of gas. it means a plane ticket doubles. it means your milk goes up. it means your petro chemical made triple anal jack hawk 9000 anal jackhammer gets more expensive. (well.. thats for nation-x specifically)

I can't imagine living in a more retarded time on this planet.

Republicans ran away completely with spending. So the response after bitching about that for 8 years?????? Is what? ANyone? The response is to put them to fucking shame in a way that defies any sense of reason and break new ground in the irresponsible spending of money that doesn't exist WHILE begging China to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep buying our debt.

in some respects its a bit interesting... we are definitely witnessing the birth of the Idiocracy.

We know and care more about Michael Jackson and where his doctor is than whether or not North Korea is actually going to fire a missile towards Hawaii or how many people this week were butchered in Iran for actually wanting democracy. Thank God American Idol and Dancing with the Stars isn't in the final weeks right now... 1/2 the world could be waging nuclear war without anyone's knowledge... and its probably just a matter of time until that happens.

Obama is a well spoken retard, just accept this fact!!!
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama knows how to deliver a speech.

Will the real Puppet Master please stand up?


PS: Fuck you to doctor worm, nation-dork, directretard, the"dumb"doc

PS: Obama is a dumb mother fucker who knows how to deliver a speech to a bunch of dumb fuck who hated the previous guy so much that they became blind.
PS: Obama is the ultimate product of the best marketing campaign ever!!!
PS: Obama is the biggest piece of lying shit ever to make it to the White House

PS: Fuck you to all haters

Easy... This bill was all over the media. When MJ died, It was 24/7 MJ and this bill dropped below the radar and no one was really reporting on it.

And now, Obama wants to tax your health care benefits. We are screwed in ways we have never known.

Baaahhhh!
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Didn't the US invent nuclear technology?

To be fair in the "Republican versus Democrat" argument, McCain was advocating healthcare taxes last year and Obama said no. Now he is tossing around the idea "since he now knows more", as he put it. The truth is you always learn more about a situation as time goes on and modifying your position after you learn of new facts would logically make sense... it's just kind of funny that he actually admitted that the first time around he didn't know what he was talking about, politicians never do that. Of course on the flip side you have to ask, why did you have such a strong opinion about something you knew nothing about?

So you are saying that Obama was talking out of his ass during the election acting as if he "knew" all the facts, then once in the White house its ok with all that voted for him that he was 100% wrong. :winkwink:

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"he will not propose changing the tax-free status of employee health benefits, neither will he oppose it if Congress does so."

McCain wanted to the same thing, Bush wasn't against the idea either. Obama was actually told he should back off McCain during the campaign, because he may need to use this at a later date.

Ok. So what shall I expect? Should I watch my home utility bill for a new tax? Someone tell me precisely where to look for this new money that is going to destroy america.

That's right...because there is no difference between the big "R" or the big "D" ...they both serve the same master.

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PP your posts lately have been giving me sexual pleasure.

In all seriousness though there's not really anyone on this board I like more than you. Too bad we can't grab a drink together or something I'd love to pick your brain.

So where on my utility bill should I look for this new tax increase? Will I have to give up 1 cup of coffee per day? I might have to joust the washington momument in my caffeine depleted outrage!

It will be passed to the consumer, so many people won't even notice it, sadly. There will be no special taxation bracket, it will cause your power company to up their prices to you, in order to afford to become (by Government mandate) creating at the minimum 6% of their power by renewable energy. :(:(

Conditioning, my man. It's as simple as that. I too thought it was quite conveniant that all the celebrity "tragedy" hit at the very same time the most important piece of legislation that needs to be shot down was in the House for a vote, and none of big media reported anything about it. Just sad.:(:(

So instead of my gas and electric prices going up every year like clockwork, they'll go up this year like clockwork 2.0. And mysteriously, nobody will be able to break it down to a $ amount because it'll be too fuzzy. How much geothermal progress will be made for every unknown dollar I spend more for coal fired electricity? Impossible to calculate. I dont see why people are upset yet. Probably changing their furnace filter 4 times a year will save them more than this'll cost them. But that'd take away a talking point.

Oh well, carry on here. No energy for this.

Maybe people would prefer "drill baby drill".

its not "my gas and electricity going up"

it's ... "everything that requires gas and electricity to be produced, going up - which also includes your own gas and electricity going up"

we could have just gave car companies or inventors or Tesla Motors or whoever 1 Billion Dollars.. and another 300 Billion in start up capital when a viable alternative is developed instead of bailing out failed, shitty, irresponsible financial institutions... instead, we'll just keep punishing success, punishing the average person and hope for the best. That's a plan that only someone with a profoundly poor understanding AND/OR total disreguard for the most basic tenets of economics, could dream up as a "sensible idea"

instead of rewarding innovation and encouraging innovation, we'll instead create a new bureaucracy and more government control in the economic sphere, that punishes everyone until someone figures out how to be punished less... as a solution with ZERO regard for consumers and the economic consequences.

Either that is sarcasm are you are the most starry eyed delusional Obamabot on GFY (with apologies to nation-x). It is scary to think that people would put such blind faith in a Chicago machine politician (or any politician for that matter). That is the sort of brainwashed "Dear Leader" talk you wold expect to hear form a well trained North Korean not from someone who lives in a relatively free society. Really pathetic. :1orglaugh

hmm.. maybe you should go to your little village library, pick up a dictionary and try finding the meaning of the word "sarcasm" :winkwink:

Ok well, you do realise dont you that for decades, WE the people have been paying oil companies in grants and dollars direct from the gov? And all the while they were CUTTING money to wind and solar and geo power? So why is this an Obama thing? Because he must be cast in the most unfavorable light looking towards the next election cycles. Nice try.

what does 10 - 20 - 30 years ago have to do with today and todays reality?... much less the right and wrong of what happened then and whether or not it should have happened at all.

just like with the spending bill... you use past bad behaviors to rationalize current bad behaviors.



again... the guy just looked you in the eye and said energy prices will skyrocket. HIS WORDS.


that's not disputable and neither are the simple facts that we've already spent trillions we don't have in the last few months and we are still in a recession which Obama couldn't stop talking about how severe and how horrible and how devastating it is and will be.... now the next trick is going to make energy costs SKYROCKET, which switching focus to a multi trillion dollar take over of health care - which again, not only expands government again as well as their control over YOUR life... it is trillions which we again, don't have to spend.

funny how you guys have no problems ignoring those simple facts.

Because you're talking like this is some new phenomenon. Remember last summer paying 5 bucks a gallon for gas? Fesh produce goes up, everything being shipped anywhere goes up.. Big deal, we know that. We've KNOWN that forever, and yet every fucking president and legislator kicks the can down the road.

Better someone to look you in the eye and deliver hard news than to tell you things are fine, then go golfing.

PP, this recession is very weak... it can't hold a cup of tea to the 80's and even parts of the 70's. This is WHY he is doing something now, before it gets really bad.


You make a good argument but you leave out massive factors, like people changing over, energy/technology and industry that has already changed over... and time, this doesn't happen today and it doesn't just happen all at once, it's a slow change - SO - other technologies/industries/jobs/technology can catch up and replace them.

Driving our entire Country "ahead of the world" making us the leaders of alt energy solutions that can sell all over the world, driving the costs of everything down, putting more people to work......

If you want to tell facts, how about you spit all the facts out.

Seriously? You think you have control right now? Haha.. funny stuff... You have NO choice, the insurance companies tell you the doctors you can visit, they tell you what you will pay and you have no choice, they tell you when they will provide insurance to you.. They even tell you which 'state' you are allowed to have the surgery in. They tell the doctors which Pills you can have and what pills (even if they work) you can no longer have. They tell you the price, the over priced by 10x - 1000x the cost.. they ROB you blind. They FORCE drugs, medical crap on you.. your kids.. for more MONEY..

The medical industry, drugs, etc have robbed our country of several TRILLIONS of dollars. It's a sad day that my wife without her job can't get insurance, ever... and 100% WILL die without meds and they cost more than your car paymentS...

Pathetic when the pills are less than $20 in Mexico...

You support Americans being screwed over, people dieing because they can't get covered? The MILLIONS of Americans losing jobs, without Coverage.... kids without coverage.

Would you rather a family with 1 working person, no insurance.. quit so they can qualify for welfare, all to get the entire family medical insurance?

Or like Millions of Americans who can work, but are disabled.. but if they work, they lose ALL medical benefits.. Because they are on a welfare system. Think... think.... think... we ALREADY have social medical that is 'locked down'... it's time to expand this, open it, start the bidding.

PLEASE............ Start using your head and STOP listing to the right wing morons.

Our system is SCREWED...

well he's got a lot of work to do, but this is probably not going to work out well for him, or the US

I made felon spy . com as a joke... the joke being that everyone would get super upset at the notion of "big brother" watching everyone.

What happened?

Floods of e-mails from people turning in other people. tons of e-mails with no factual information, no actual legal information - just..

"Please add bob roberts, address 123 main street, elkheart indiana, 22222 to your system. i think he's been convicted of drunk driving and i'm pretty sure he hits his wife"

This was my first big clue that this nation is actually ready for a police state. Something i would have never believed in my life. This nation is ready to be taken over completely by anyone with the balls or flawed ideology and sincere belief in it, to do it.

What else happened? CNN, MSNBC, FOX and every 1/2 retarded local news station ran stories on it as if it was real.. as if was a great tool - in spite of the fact that nothing about it is serious, including the randomly generated results which OBVIOUSLY aren't real.

I even have a video of a Deputy Police Chief in Rhode Island saying he uses it.

In one of my proudest moments - i recieved an e-mail from a fox news affiliate in chicago who said the following:

"Dear Sir,

We here at Fox News have serious doubts as to whether or not felon spy is actually a real site. Could you tell us more about it"

my reply

"Dear Sir

We here at felon spy have serious doubt as to whether or not Fox News is actually real news"

- which they quoted on the air.

This nation was founded on the principle of minimizing government in peoples lives and has devolved to the point that everyone is now expecting government to be the answer.

Its sad.

It's really really sad.

This nation is fucked. Maybe not this year or the next, but the simple fact is that it has an inoperable cancer that will eventually claim it's life. That's something I would never have said just a few years ago.

One thing the couple dozen hoax sites i created - many of which have been extremely successful has taught me is that i've given far too much credit to people in my life. People are dumb... and they're getting dumber. With so much access to instant information and being bombarded at every turn by twitter, myspace, michael jackson, american idol or whatever the fuck, they have almost stopped thinking completely for themselves... and critical thought is a thing of the past.

its quite ironic that i keep being accused of parroting "republican talking points" - when everything i've said is 100% true and indisputable. Obama TOLD YOU your energy costs will SKYROCKET among other things.

Welcome to the Idiocracy.

3 Generations from now, we will most likely be electing people like Emenim as President. We've already elected an woefully inarticulate professional wrestler and Arnold to public office as Governors.. its not a huge stretch.

The Gov job is to provide protection to the people. This is protecting the welfare and health of it's citizens AFTER the citizens FAILED to do it.

It is sad, greedy Americans allowed Americans to die for Money.


Wow, 99% of Americas said it a few years ago, hell the entire term with Bush. Now, most think it's getting better.

Maybe you should stop thinking so much.... and aren't you just repeating what the radio/tv told you? I know for a fact you didn't draw these stupid conclusions on your own.



And they will... So? We are going to replace them, more jobs will be created, new technology.. it's time for change rather than being stuck on a system that totally controls all of America just by squeezing our balls.. ie: oil



It is stupid we have been stuck on foreign energy production for so long.


Let's not forget about the Actor President Reagan.

I don't think that anyone believes our system isn't screwed. I know the story above better than most people.

The difference between people is their views as to what the answer is. What is the fix. What will solve the problem. Hell if I know, sure wish I did.

I suppose it's easy to be a naysayer without any real solutions. But when you look at the current system and notice all of the flaws that you find with it... so many of those flaws go back to "the government." In my opinion, anyway. And when the answer to a problem we already have is more of that same government that contributed to the current problem... it just makes me wonder, what outcome are we really expecting?

It's interesting. 12 months ago Democrats hated the government. Now they love it. 12 months ago Republicans loved the government. Now they hate it. Heh.

I doubt them all.

I don't think it wouldn't matter WHAT solution Obama offered... the Republicans would oppose it and so would PP and PM. That is the real truth of the matter.

I know you understand it more than most...

People shouldn't be 'forced' onto the welfare medical system (which has serious rules). You should have the choice to have ALL your medical crap covered & work, freely, without worrying about if you make to much. And if you came to work for me, I couldn't provide you insurance right now.. that's totally unfair to both of us.

Obama wants to regulate and expand the 'current' Gov Social system (it's a GREAT system right now) It's not the welfare/va system.. it's already part of our normal medical system. But it would allow people like me when i lived in Texas not to have to drive 3 hours to a VA hospital. And people like you... to make a new choice.