Ok pc guys... which I'm a former....

Try this,

Take out one of your 4 year old, off the shelf PC Laptops... any of them... Then load it up with oh, 2 gigs of ram.

Now load up a remote client, adobe c23, Episode pro (which they make for the pc now btw) create a batch encode from Mini DV to Flash and let it run, Dreamweaver, Adobe Lightroom (since you don't have access to aperture) and top it off with you browser and say 10-15 open sites...

While your at it, hook up 3 Firewire 800 External drives to it, Dual screen it with a 30 Inch Monitor and plug in the rest of your goodies, like your wacom tablet, a Epson R1800, You firewire CF card reader, You Firewire DV capture, etc.

Now, while your running all this stuff, use that remote to control 2 other machines doing basically the same stuff, so you only have one keyboard and mouse, and make the whole setup seem like your just running one large multi screen setup.

Now run all of that stable. I have a machine on my desk that has now been doing that continuously since Feb, without one lockup, or crashes and the only reboots due to system updates.

I'm sorry, but being an MSCE myself and working in IT for over 20 years, I have NEVER seen a machine build this well, this rock solid.

Totally agree with you there. Not dumb but ignorant to hardware and software configurations. People like macs because you can be ignorant to what hardware you have and it will still work with everything.

PC come with an array of configurations and dumbasses think they can get a barebones PC and do multimedia with it. If you want a PC where you can be ignorant and you know it has the right hardware just get a SONY VAIO PC they are configured for just about anything you can throw at them.

As for VIRUSES and SPYWARE, stay away from shady sites and software!!!!

Your going to have more ignorant people on MACs thats for sure because there is no configuration required and you dont really need to add anything to it to make it work for multimedia.

Same if you buy a decent PC but the problem is people buy the cheapest PC they can find and compare that to a MAC.

If they sold MACs in cheaper configurations it would be the same scenario.

MAC is nothing but PC with a different operating system. They adopted INTEL (PC) chipsets/motherboards in 2001.

MAC users are ignorant to the fact that its really the same machine now with different OS.

If you dig deeper its using the same graphics cards, hard drives, memory, sound chipset.

Your software doesnt really care about what the windows look like if you give it the right hardware.

In addidtion MAC user tend to be upgrade ignorant as opposed to the expert PC who can configure their machines with faster hard drives, more memory, a real time rendering graphics card that will run circles around anything, & more.

Ask most MAC users they probably don't even know how to change a video card.

I render with this http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_cx_us.html
and Ill run circles around any MAC user I know.

FACT for MAC and PC users:
ADOBE CS4 runs 227 % faster with a 64 bit operating system.


Stop complaining and do a little research. Both machines are great MAC is overpriced though. You pay more for a MAC because they spend more on marketing. PC or MAC will do the job.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT WHATS UNDER THE HOOD THEN BUY A MAC. IF YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HARDWARE CONFIGURATIONS BUY 4 PCs FOR THE PRICE AND YOU CAN DO 4 X AS MUCH.

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Exactly my point get a bunch of morons to pull out their machines they bought as cheap as they could for just surfing.

This isn't a fair comparison. In 1999 i was building rock solid PC editing machines with Perception catpure cards that captured uncompressed 4:2:2 video with no generation loss what so ever and no frame drops. I had a raid controller ultra wide SCSI drives, & less than a gig of RAM. Back then you had to have a monster of a machine I spent like 6 K on my machine and the capture card was about $3k. Things have come along way but even back then I had a rock solid PC for editing that rendered with premiere and after effects in real time. Back then the editing cards or capture card used its own memory to render and its own processors built onto the board. I could still edit with that machine it was rock solid. This was when windows NT was the best OS. I like it best because it wasn't consumer. After windows 98 they started making operating system idiot proof and senior friendly. If you ask me they should have 2 versions of OS for mac and PC.

one OS for the morons that need all the warnings and explanations
and a pro on like windows NT use to be that didn't have the unnecessary bullshit.

The problem is most people doing these comparisons have no idea what they are talking about they just compare oranges to apples.

My viruse protection has always been free.... I don't download from untrusted sources or visit shady sites. I have never installed virus protection its annoying and unnecessary for me. I chose what I download.

People with kids and that are dumb enough to let them use their office machines or better yet dumb enough to download the viruses.... better get protection.

Downloading software from and untrusted source is like fucking a girl in porn without and AIMS test.

why pay at all if you can get Virtual Box for free ;) And it just works perfect!

Well, actually, if you look at a mac, they kind of do have what your talking about... The interface is just a pretty and simple way to use the unix undersystem... so if you tech savvy, you have the full power of Unix at your fingertips...

How anyone who knows ANYTHING about OS could ever compare Dos/Win to Os X/unix and think that the win has a chance is a moron and really needs to learn what Unix is.

Arguing with you would just be a waste of my time, so I'll keep it simple: you're an imbecile.

Again lets try to compare price and hardware...

Dells Xps Studio 16 Price From dell 10 minutes ago... $2,303
summary-
16 inch screen 1920x1080
500 gig 5400rpm sata
Radon hd 3670 512 meg graphic.
2 Usb 2.0
2.93 core due t9800.
3-4 hour battery

Maxbook Pro 17- Price 2,499
CPu 2.8GHz Due core
17 inch screen 2560x1600
Geforce 9600M 512m
Firewire 800 Port
2 USB 2.0
Built in Isight Camera
SD slot.
500GB 7200-rpm hard drive,
8 hour battery
dual link DVI.

So 200 buck difference give me a bigger screen, Faster HD, Faster Graphics card, Firewire 800, SD slot, more than twice the battery life, Dual link DVI, and much higer resolution... there actually is more, but I think you get my point. The Macs a better buy...


Oh, and please... TRY and find me another laptop out there with colse to the same hardware specs as the mac pro... good luck.

Lets keep this thread going with these facts lol!!!!
 

Apple?s ads may be funny, but they?re woefully inaccurate. Here we reveal dozens of reasons why the PC outclasses the Mac.
"Advertising is the modern substitute for argument; its function is to make the worse appear the better.? So claimed Spanish philosopher, George Santayana, long before Steve Jobs was even an Apple in his mother?s eye. But Santayana?s prophetic sound bite perfectly describes Apple?s omnipresent ?I?m a PC, I?m a Mac? campaign.

For the benefit of those readers who?ve been droving in the Dandenongs for the last few months, the campaign portrays the PC as a crash-prone, virus-ridden, boring, office workhorse. A stereotype that?s so 1995, we?re amazed. How has the victim of these laughable slurs reacted? Aside from a few catty comments from Bill Gates, the world?s richest company ? a corporation renowned for bullying its competitors ? has meekly rolled with the punches. So, in light of Microsoft?s total lack of response, PC Authority has stepped in to defend the Windows corner. We?ve got 32 solid reasons why the PC is better than the Mac, ranging from the over-inflated price tag on Apple?s hardware to the under-valued ability to build your own PC from scratch. And we demolish the vast majority of the spurious claims made by Apple?s ad gurus in the process.

Of course, PC Authority isn?t immune to the Mac?s charms. Recently, we found that an Apple computer was one of the fastest systems we?d ever tested. So to prove we?re not PC bigots, we?ve invited our colleagues from MacUser magazine to offer ten reasons why the Mac is superior. Following this feature, we?ve also provided an in-depth guide to running Windows on a Mac, allowing you to reap the benefits of both platforms.

1 - Service packs don?t cost $199
Since Mac OS X was launched in 2001, there have been four ?new versions? of the operating system ? Puma, Jaguar, Panther and Tiger ? with a fifth, Leopard, due imminently. That?s almost one a year, each costing a princely $199 ? racking up a total bill of close to $1000 for anyone who?s bought every version. And they say Windows is expensive.

Apple has effectively introduced the first subscription operating system, and has somehow gotten away with it. If Microsoft had done likewise, Bill Gates would have been before the anti-competition courts quicker than you could say, ?isn?t $199 a bit steep for a service pack??. The Mac zealots claim that each new cat really is a new operating system, but that argument doesn?t bear scrutiny. Take Panther (Mac OS X 10.3): the Apple press release hails ?more than 150 breakthrough new features?, the pick of which are a new ?Finder?, a way to see all your open windows at once, and bundled video-messaging software. God knows how insignificant the other 147 were.

2 - No price premium for flashy design
There still isn?t a PC maker on the planet that can hold a candle to Apple when it comes to product design. But not everyone wants or needs a computer that looks like it fell off the back of a Bang & Olufsen lorry. Macs routinely cost more than their PC equivalents. The cheapest Mac you can buy, the Mac mini, costs $949 and comes with a piddling 60GB hard disk, a meagre 512MB of RAM and no screen. Pop over to Dell, and that same $949 will buy you a Dimension E520 Vista PC with a 160GB hard disk, 1GB of RAM and a 19in flat panel display. Dell?s cheapest system costs just $898 at the time of writing. We?re not expecting Dell?s bargain-basement models to trouble our A List anytime soon, and Kate Moss wouldn?t be seen dead near one, but they?ll suffice for a cheap office PC that sits under a desk all day or a computer for the kids? homework. Mac buyers simply don?t have that choice.

3 - Thousands of decent games
?I was designed for the home,? scream the Mac ads. You were? Then how come you?ve got such a poor bunch of games? At the time of writing, the top-selling Mac games on Amazon.com were World of Warcraft (yawn), Crazy Machines: The Wacky Contraptions Game (What the?!) and The Sims II ? a two-year-old title designed for loners who need imaginary friends to compensate for the lack of actual people in their pitiful lives. Want the adrenaline-filled 3D action and spectacular graphics of Rainbow Six: Vegas? Or, a spin round the track at high-velocity in a beautifully rendered Porsche in Test Drive Unlimited? Want to revisit a seminal classic such as Half-Life 2? Sorry, you can?t. Computer says no. That?s not to mention the fact that the PC has a near-monopoly on all the decent graphics hardware. And even if you did want to upgrade your Mac?s graphics, you probably couldn?t anyway. ?Nvidia graphics options for Apple desktops and notebooks can only be purchased through Apple or as Apple update kits,? warns Nvidia?s website. If you?re even halfway serious about gaming, you need a PC.

4 - Two mouse buttons
Yes, we know Macs are meant to be so simple your Grandma could partition the hard disk while solving the Countdown conundrum, but do they really need to be dumbed down to use only one mouse button? A monkey with Attention Deficit Disorder could master two buttons, but Apple?s (seemingly not ironically named) Mighty Mouse resorts to a single mouse click by default. Yes, you can easily tweak the driver for two buttons or simply plug in a normal mouse, but a firing squad is too lenient for the imbecile who decided that pressing Ctrl and left-click was a better out-of-the-box solution than a single press of the right button.

5 - Broadband just works
It?s hardly their fault, but our poor Mac friends aren?t always well served by the ISPs. Broadband modems can fail to work properly on Macs (especially with Bigpond cable), and when customers attempt to phone the tech-support lines for assistance, they?re none too amused when the script-reading person at the other end tells them to ?click on the Start button and select Control Panel?. Finding a reliable ISP is hard enough; finding one that also supports Macs is a headache you really don?t need.

6 - Custom-made systems
Gaming PCs, video workstations, media centres, digital photo PCs, build-your-own, mini-chassis, midi-towers, business PCs? need we go on? There are dozens of different desktop PC configurations that can be fine-tailored with thousands of specialist components to meet a buyer?s requirements. How many flavours do Mac desktops come in? Three. Mac mini, iMac and Mac Pro. If none of those meets your needs, take a hike.

The open architecture of the PC platform, on the other hand, gives you access to an immense range of configurations, enabling you to tailor a PC to your needs without wasting money on capabilities you won?t use. It also means you can make modular upgrades, such as fitting a new CPU and motherboard without having to replace your existing graphics card and hard drives. Try that with an iMac.

7 - Macs are months behind
If you want cutting-edge hardware, you need a PC. Remember when the Intel Core CPU was released? Apple finally jumped ship from IBM processors, even though PC processors had been outstripping the PowerPC G5 CPU for years. But even though the agreement was trumpeted from the rooftops by Intel and Apple, it still took months for the complete Mac range to go fully Intel. Core 2 was even worse, with almost the whole PC market having them before Apple shipped a single Core 2 Mac. The same is true of almost all new technology. Not only is there no option to buy a desktop or laptop Mac with an internal HD DVD or Blu-ray drive, you can?t buy an internal Mac-compatible one at all. The same is again true of graphics: while the PC has up-to-the-minute 3D video hardware, Macs are an entire generation behind. And while PC users have had super-fast draft 802.11n wireless for nearly two years, Apple users have only just acquired it.

8 - Life beyond 1st January
It isn?t only children?s sticky fingers that will take the gloss off the shiny new MacBook you got for Christmas ? the new line-up of laptops announced at the annual MacWorld show every January will leave your cutting-edge gift looking so last year, almost immediately. Yes, consumer-friendly, cuddly-wuddly Apple decides to spring new products onto its customers just days after the peak buying period every single year, and there?s little point in trying to second-guess what the company is about to launch, because it cloaks its announcements with an iron curtain the USSR would have been proud of. Thankfully, there?s no such post-Christmas Microsoft jamboree.

9 - Superior search facilities
Our counterparts over at MacUser swear blind that the Macintosh Finder is just as good as Windows Explorer. Yet even after five major releases of Mac OS X, it lacks many features that Windows power users take for granted, such as resizing windows from any corner or edge, using cut and paste to move files around, and renaming files from within a file requester. It doesn?t even offer a working ?maximise window? button. If you just want a computer that looks pretty then the Finder might suit you, but if you actually want to manipulate files then Windows Explorer wins hands down.

10 - Safety in numbers
While having one company controlling both the hardware and operating system undoubtedly has its advantages, it also leaves Mac fans with all their eggs in one titanium-clad basket. Apple could, for example, decide to drop Mac OS X at any time ? not entirely out of the question now that Intel-based Macs are perfectly capable of running Windows. What would happen to Mac OS devotees and developers then? It also leaves Apple remarkably vulnerable when innovations go wrong ? the ill-fated Cube placed the company in deep trouble, for example, whereas international giants such as HP and Sony can tinker with experimental form factors such as smart displays and UMPCs, without worrying that commercial failure could potentially cripple the company.

11 - Sensible support costs
Macs never crash or go wrong, obviously. Which is just as well, because the standard Apple technical support offering is nothing short of scandalous. You could pay $25,664 for an absolute top-of-the-range Mac Pro or $949 for a Mac mini, and you?re still lumbered with Apple?s standard warranty, which comprises a pitiful 90-days, telephone support and just one year?s return-to-base hardware warranty. You can, naturally, pay extra for Apple?s three-year protection plan, which costs $229 for Mac minis, right through to a ridiculous $419 for the MacBook Pro. By comparison, our A-Listed Dell Latitude ultraportable laptop and Dell Optiplex desktop PC both include three-year, on-site warranties as standard.

It isn?t only manufacturer repairs you have to worry about. Take your PC down to your local computer shop and, chances are, they could replace the hard disk or slot in extra RAM without batting an eyelid, with little in the way of labour costs. That same repair shop may well blanche at the prospect of prizing open the sealed iMac casing, however.

12 - Microsoft?s on your team
Microsoft may be the company everyone loves to hate, and it doesn?t always play by the Queensbury Rules, but if there?s going to be a domineering, cash-rich mega-corporation in the industry, you definitely want it to be on your team. The PC is, of course, Microsoft?s platform of choice, and so the Windows market is the first to benefit from ground-breaking new products such as Office 2007. Mac owners will have to wait until later this year for a new version of Office, and even then it will be largely devoid of the well-received Ribbon interface that Microsoft first introduced into the PC version in January.

Similarly, PC owners with an Xbox 360 nestled under their television can turn their console into a Media Center Extender, allowing them to play music, video or photos stored on their computer through their television ? all because Microsoft has its fat fingers in so many pies.

Give it up!!

If you think any one is going to read 10 pages of BS you are an idiot.

If you can't make your point in max 2 paragraphs then don't bother.

I would never replace my pc or ibm notebook with mac... never...

There are too many reasons for 2 paragraphs if you take the time to read.

Many, many WM's have said the same but sooner or later they do it and most never look back.

They only regret they waited as long as they did.

i just got my new PC - it's a beast. the iMac is gonna be a backup computer and for movies. this PC if I keep it clean will run circles around the iMac speed wise - i may not work fast but my computer will!

jay u visit tube sites, any site that has iframe PPC ads and that is most tube sites - inevitable that you will get some malware. i know i've gotten nasty shit from Etology iframe ads twice.

old but funny

And this is where I stopped reading. The cheapest Mac Mini costs $599. Which means you're either using a very, very old article, or a very, very bad one.

You need to stop being an idiotic fanboy. All systems have their pros and cons. A computer is merely a tool. Anyone with even half a brain would realize that choosing specific tools for specific jobs is far better than continuously shouting "THE HAMMER IS THE BEST TOOL!!!" at the top of your lungs.

Mac's really fucking suck.

Oh boohoo. Yes the prices are outdated (for both btw) but the point remains the same.

I'm waiting... find me a comparable Laptop to the current Mac book Pro. I Require Firewire 800 and usb2. I also want at least a 7200 RPM HD, no smaller than 500gig. Oh, and I want to be able to run a 30 inch screen at full resolution. Better have 4 gig of memory at least, at least a 17 inch screen and I have a lot of crap open at once so I do use 2560x1600 resolution anything less will not cut it. Oh, I also use bluetooth, I want that built in not as an add on card.. and 802.11n, plus yes, I use gigabyte networking... so it's required. I also use an express port, so I'll need that. I use my laptop a lot in dark places so I need the backlit keyboard.

While we are at it, I also need a machine that can double as a full server mirroring my Mojohost server... you know, for local development.

I'm a hardcore user so I want the 8 hours of Battery life. Oh, and I video chat all the time via skype, so I want a built in camera.

Now, I also require that the memory be upgradable to at least 8 gig... No I don't by memory from apple but directly from that source much cheaper so I will be upgrading it fully.


Find me THAT machine and find it for me cheaper than 2499.00


Once you do, I'll start to listen to you.

You mean like this one I found with a 2 second search?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....2180525 35616

If you're just going to nitpick about some simple something or other not built in on a damn machine that is made for easy interchange then don't even bother. It's stupid, Mac sucks and you are ridiculous.

No, it doesn't. Assuming similar specs, prices are usually roughly similar these days.

2 lbs heavier, 6 hours battery life less. Built to be put on your desk, and kept there.

You're an idiot.

Are you out of your damn mind? :1orglaugh

LOL your not even close...
HD.. 5200 RPM.
Processor 2.0ghz are you kidding me?
No Firewire 800
Display only 1920x1800

Oh and it can't run a 30 inch display. Take some time to learn about computers and try again.

And to top it off its 1850.00 My 4 year old Mac Book Pro has a faster processor... try again idiot.

You know something else that a requirement... the fucking Mag safe connector Seriously the best feature of any laptop out there period. Someone trips over the cord, your machine doesn't go crashing to the floor, or your connection doesn't get broken inside the laptop requiring repair... brilliant and yes, both the above have happen to me while I was still using Sony Laptops. I've personally had my cord yanked off my Mac at least 15 times in the last 4 years... never a worry.

Actually, the CPU on the HP is a core 2 quad instead of a core 2 duo, so for some applications it's a fair bit better. On the other hand, the type of RAM on the MBP is better.

Either way, it's no comparison, since the weight and battery life on the HP make it a desktop computer that's merely shaped like a laptop.

yup true. I saw that 2.0ghz and laughed..

Hi -

I've been a PC head forever and just bought my first mac about 2 months ago and I love it. I still use my PC's all the time but I use my mac now just as much.

I went to the store to buy a laptop pc. What I really wanted was long battery life and was all set to buy a Sony Vaio. As it turns out they had non in stock, so I started playing with a Macbook. 30 minutes later I was still playing with it. I had learned how to use it, the speed felt right, so why not?

What REALLY sold it to me was the 5 hour batter life. Even if it turns out to be only 3 or 4, that's still better than the 2 hour life on most PC lappys.

Anyway, even if you're a dedicated PC person, you owe it to yourself to take a look at Macs. They're pretty good.

Don't tell me you are comparing HDD speeds solely based on the RPM? :error:error

Congrats on the buy .. it will take a week or 2 to get in the groove, but once you are comfortable .. you will actually say out loud " wow .. this is pretty slick " I was a pc guy forever .. made the switch for reliability and truth be told .. I haven't turned off my 17" macbook Pro in 2 yrs, it has been totally problem free and I am on it ALL day, every day .. It rips through editing other work related tasks with out a hiccup .. you'll be happy ..

No, there are quite a few factors including cache etc. But spindle speed is a good starting point. Actually I would rather have a n ssd drive, but there are just not cost effective yet. Course I could go with this....
http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0...mco=MjE0NDk5Mw

Ditto....