Fitty secret handshakes:pimp

And is it not secrecy that fuels all the misconceptions?

wow, funny that this is brought up.

My grandfather & grandmother, would take me to these meeting's I had no idea what all was going on, as I played around with the other kids. I know it was a big thing for them as they went every week and dressed up alot, I still don't know why they were members.
Infact, it seemed like the rest of the family didn't mind that they went, so it is a good thing? No biggie, I just never figured out why they went and took me, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_A...f_the_Universe

"As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to neutrally represent whatever Supreme Being to which each member individually holds in adherence."

great, grand, semantics.

Doesn't appear very secular to the casual observer.

From the United Grand Lodge of England

it's not a good day for wikipedia then..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_A...f_the_Universe

Maybe it's a term used in superior degrees :winkwink:

Please dont take my opinions above as offensive. And do not take it personal, I do not single out Masons or anyone. I view any group that uses religion in ANY way as dangerous. This thread just happens to be about this particular group.

My personal beliefs simply put me at odds with anyone in any religious group.

If the group isnt religious,....Why cant they just leave out all the god stuff and just talk about stone cutting? Nope, one major requirement is to declare belief in supreme being"

Those of who value what neitzche taught us, no longer allow religion to dictate our actions, it is our Will we follow.

ps i never saw national Treasure :winkwink:

By no means am I taking offense. Every one has their right to their own opinion and believe what or who they want to belive in. This is the path that I have chosen and have no regrets. I am sure the other Masons like myself laugh at the comments and silliness that people come up with about Masons because they don't know what it is really all about.

My only problem with the group is the god stuff to be honest. I always thought a group like that sounded cool, but once I find out about the religous aspects, even if you claim its secular, I simply could never bow. And my beliefs are spot on with Neitzche when it comes to religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

Once the Overman awakes in you, there is no turning back. And once you cross the line to believing in yourself more than god, the Will almost leads you along the path, even if along the left hand.

That is Satan taking control of you!!!!!!!!!!!