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PornHero 07-23-2009 07:20 PM

Hi Steve,

You definitely don't remember meeting me at the Toronto GFY Xmas party in Dec 2004 but I definitely remember meeting you.

You've always been a role model for me in this business - since the beginning I've loved your sites and made great money with your pioneering program.

I just wanted to say I support your post and its good to see humility on GFY for change. Although the "good times" may be over for now there are still profitable opportunities for selling sex on the internet - it just takes more work. Thats ok though, work never scared me. I am here for the long haul because...

I have nowhere else to go.

:thumbsup

$5 submissions 07-23-2009 07:25 PM

Steve, welcome back and stay strong, man. Ups and downs are what its all about. Things happen for a reason. It's just our job to find our meaning in every moment. I wish you the best!

tony286 07-23-2009 07:27 PM

I met Steve and he struck me as a very warm and kind soul. It was very touching what you wrote but billing practices and tubes are killing this industry. The industry was on vhs and then dvd for years and made a mint thru a few recessions. Because no one was using porn as a lost leader for their other agendas.

BestXXXPorn 07-23-2009 07:31 PM

Steve, I've sent you a few emails and a PM on GFY but no response back. Hit me up when you have a chance. I'd like to talk shop and share expertise from either side. I know you were previously looking for a developer or two. If the emails got lost in the tubes let me know and I'll forward them :)

Thurbs 07-23-2009 07:35 PM

i meet steve like 5 or 6 years ago .... was a great guy then, sounds like an even better guy now :) how've you been steve?

F-U-Jimmy 07-23-2009 07:39 PM

I have admired Steve since i was 19 years old. That was 40 years ago :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

SBJ 07-23-2009 07:45 PM

very nice post Steve! :thumbsup Baller or not you are still tops when I think of stand up guys in this biz at a time when we need more honest programs :2 cents::thumbsup

Eva PSC 07-23-2009 07:49 PM

awesome thread. It was refreshing to read your post Steve and many others who joined in with their kind words.

TDF 07-23-2009 07:54 PM

each one teach one has always been my motto. No reason in being stingy with information in this biz

Due 07-23-2009 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16099686)
I met Steve and he struck me as a very warm and kind soul. It was very touching what you wrote but billing practices and tubes are killing this industry.

I really can't say I agree to that. Lack of initiative to develop new functionality that makes you stand out is killing a lot of peoples businesses.

If you wanna get somewhere in this business then you can only rely on yourself to make that happen, most online ventures last 2 years, 4 if you are good and tweak them. After that you better have the "next big thing" ready as you will loose probably about 1/3 of the revenues each year thereafter. (there's always the exception of the rule)
A few examples could be: CJ's, TGPs, MGPs, Blogs, Tubes as far as traffic goes

baddog 07-23-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16099686)
Because no one was using porn as a lost leader for their other agendas.

Lost me.

CrkMStanz 07-23-2009 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16099810)
Lost me.


giving away massive amounts of porn to generate traffic for an alternate product (dating, toys, etc)


you know....

baddog 07-23-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrkMStanz (Post 16099816)
giving away massive amounts of porn to generate traffic for an alternate product (dating, toys, etc)


you know....

You're good.

Shap 07-23-2009 08:17 PM

Hey Steve. I know you aren't a fan of me and I'm not a fan of yours. That said I still have great respect for what you've accomplished in this industry. I've always thought you were a smart guy and this post confirmed those thoughts.

MediaGuy 07-23-2009 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16099169)
The adult industry is in trouble. We have all been affected by the global recession, new credit card rules, and the general lack of consumer confidence. Many of us look for someone to blame besides ourselves. After all, we WERE making money, and WE didn?t change anything, so it must be someone else?s fault, right? Tube sites and aggressive billing practices are obvious and easy targets, but I think we need to look again at ourselves.

In 1999, it felt like everyone and everything was new. Even though no one knew each other, and the best ways to earn money online were still undefined, we were all willing to meet and work together to figure it out. No one knew from where the next great idea was going to come. A handful of pioneers were leading the way, and the rest of us took notes when they spoke. The industry was young and hungry, and mostly HUMBLE.

But then the worst thing happened. We all started making lots of money. Along came lavish parties, and the ?Industry RockStars? were created. Immediately, the industry divided into two camps. The ?Haves? and the ?Wants?. The ?Haves? became less humble, and the ?Wants? were not welcome anymore. Parties and conventions became exclusive and invite-only. The ?Haves? power grew while the ?Wants? were left out. But the industry stopped growing because the people with new ideas were effectively shut out.

Along the way, the ?Haves? tried to work together, but clashing egos and poor business skills doomed many of their projects to failure. Eventually, petty bickering forced everyone apart, and the industry started sliding.

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

So I say the circle is broken, and the only way to fix it is for everyone to change. Let go of resentment and petty disagreements and start working together again. All of us. Most of all, we need to learn from our own history and avoid making the same mistakes.

I want to be the first to start. I want to apologize to everyone. Events in my life have reminded me where I came from. Some of you will laugh at me, or revel in my misfortune, but I?m going to learn from my mistakes and be humble again. I?m ready to let my ego go, stop acting like a RockStar, and return to taking notes when people speak. I'm ready to listen and learn, and party like it's 1999.

Steve Lightspeed

Great essay. Let us discuss in Florida. You're right, and what you describe is the best way to save us from our own lust for grandeur.

Rock on, sir lightspeed!

:D

LiveDose 07-23-2009 08:19 PM

I just got a tingling feeling up my leg.

fatfoo 07-23-2009 08:24 PM

Tube sites are easy targets indeed. Their traffic shot up so much in 2008 and 2009. TGPs are loosing traffic now to those guys.

Mutt 07-23-2009 08:26 PM

i don't get it - what are you aplogizing for? for not being one of the shitheads who have dragged this industry down? for not being a hypocrite like many in this thread? for not 'adapting' by being a scumbag whose moral compass changes in accordance with what's in their bank account?

tony286 07-23-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due (Post 16099766)
I really can't say I agree to that. Lack of initiative to develop new functionality that makes you stand out is killing a lot of peoples businesses.

If you wanna get somewhere in this business then you can only rely on yourself to make that happen, most online ventures last 2 years, 4 if you are good and tweak them. After that you better have the "next big thing" ready as you will loose probably about 1/3 of the revenues each year thereafter. (there's always the exception of the rule)
A few examples could be: CJ's, TGPs, MGPs, Blogs, Tubes as far as traffic goes

I just celebrated our 9th anniversary online. Im not speaking out of turn. You cant beat free sorry.

DatingGold 07-23-2009 08:42 PM

Becoming a millionaire is relatively easy, staying a millionaire is a lifelong battle.

JD 07-23-2009 08:44 PM

100 apologies

Spunky 07-23-2009 08:44 PM

Group hugs

Vexes 07-23-2009 08:46 PM

This may go down as the lamest threat ever on GFY!

Steve are you apologizing to use for no longer being a success? Did you think you were a player? You were exposed when you posted your pontiac convertible. ( It will be a classic one day since the company won't be around soon :thumbsup )

Do not worry Steve, you were not really a big player anyway. You confuse being popular on a message board of sociopaths with being a player. Real players are still making bank, still innovating, do not attend shows, or throw parties to stroke their egos.

Steve, you are conning the good folks at GFY or you need to take your meds. Either way it will be fun to watch. :1orglaugh

SteveLightspeed 07-23-2009 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexes (Post 16099888)
This may go down as the lamest threat ever on GFY!

Steve are you apologizing to use for no longer being a success? Did you think you were a player? You were exposed when you posted your pontiac convertible. ( It will be a classic one day since the company won't be around soon :thumbsup )

Do not worry Steve, you were not really a big player anyway. You confuse being popular on a message board of sociopaths with being a player. Real players are still making bank, still innovating, do not attend shows, or throw parties to stroke their egos.

Steve, you are conning the good folks at GFY or you need to take your meds. Either way it will be fun to watch. :1orglaugh

What took you so long to get here? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Please, teach away, I'm taking notes. :thumbsup

LadyMischief 07-23-2009 08:49 PM

Awesome post Steve.

NinjaSteve 07-23-2009 08:52 PM

A lot of people have learned from our growth and our mistakes in life, but I doubt everybody will be feeling these 'warm fuzzies' and they won't think twice about smaller affiliates or new programs that are launched.

Nicky 07-23-2009 08:55 PM

I read your full first post then I skimmed through the rest, gonna save for tomorrow when I'm "sober" in sight. But as I see It you are right. I entered this biz in '99 :) Much has changed......but really not that much....

jact 07-23-2009 08:57 PM

Awesome post Steve, spot on. I returned my ego for a refund earlier this year, it seems to help.

Nicky 07-23-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexes (Post 16099888)
Real players are still making bank, still innovating, do not attend shows, or throw parties to stroke their egos.

yea well, please tell me what the "real players" are innovating? I know they are making mad bank because there is millions laying on a table but does that really mean they are innovating?

TheAmericanCannibal 07-23-2009 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16099638)
In a thread filled with humility, honesty and a calling to unite as an industry whole, you post the most egotistical garbage spam possible, congrats.

What and simply put a "Sig Spot" here post?

You have to admit, I am consistent.

WiredGuy 07-23-2009 09:15 PM

Great post Steve. Much respect for this post.
WG

tigermtb 07-23-2009 09:25 PM

Lotsa love Steve.

I know things have changed a lot for me and my business since my humble beginnings... things are tough for everyone and you're not alone.

Here's to the next wave of innovation.

tonyparra 07-23-2009 09:49 PM

I guess im one of the "wants":disgust

niche25 07-23-2009 10:04 PM

This is the most meaningful post in GFY history. Thank you Steve, you are an awesome friend.

lazycash 07-23-2009 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal (Post 16099928)
What and simply put a "Sig Spot" here post?

You have to admit, I am consistent.

Consistently arrogant, yep.

JustDaveXxx 07-23-2009 10:22 PM

Nice post, i know that you have accomplished a lot in our biz, good luck with your present and future endeavors.



I live day by day treating people the way i want to be teated, except if you are trying out to be a male performer. lol I answer tech questions to anyone who asks and i help people better there video and photo game. The fact that they may be my competition for the same content jobs never sways me from answering questions from a fellow shooter. I am always striving to be that better person everyday.


Hopefully i treat people well enough from the get go so i never have to be in a position of feeling bad or posting an "im sorry" post.


Thanx for sharing, takes a real man to say sorry.:2 cents:

Nicky 07-23-2009 10:24 PM

Snowflake visited this thread. Hi snowflake :)

lazycash 07-23-2009 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16099851)
i don't get it - what are you aplogizing for? for not being one of the shitheads who have dragged this industry down? for not being a hypocrite like many in this thread? for not 'adapting' by being a scumbag whose moral compass changes in accordance with what's in their bank account?

I got the feeling from his post that his apology was referencing his announced departure from gfy recently where he might have come across to some as condescending. I took his post as an attempt to make amends, move forward positively and encourage us to better work together to solve some of the issues currently plaguing our industry. Of course I could have completely misinterpreted it.

Bake 07-23-2009 10:39 PM

Still rembering making old school bank with you. ;-)
Money's made flat for stacking most in this industry cant accept that concept.

epitome 07-23-2009 11:14 PM

Great post.

I see everything more as a changing of the guard.

There will be plenty that survive, but there will also be new big players in town.

Those that roll with the punches, never give up and keep their costs as low as possible will weather the storm.

There are going to be plenty that wake up and see themselves on the outside looking in, but that is happening across the US and in many parts of the world in all types of industries and across all walks of life.

The people I feel sorry for are the ones who tried to do everything right but still fell victim. I do not feel sorry for the ones that pissed their money away and took things for granted.

Money is a drug and it is easy to abuse.

These times are going to be a wake-up call for many. It can also be a great learning experience to those that are humble enough to recognize it as such.

Karma will start biting a lot of people in the ass. It will also start paying off for some worthy folks.


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