Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16112925)

no one has done product placement properly
but that because everyone is trying to run the iron man before they even learn to walk. when you jump so far ahead of the cycle you are only going to get a fraction of the value. that being said some people are getting free goods for their videos.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 16113088)

Taking what you say as a given....

The adult industry is apparently leaving millions (if not billions) of dollars on the table. You are not running your own sites and monetizing these ideas? I am confused. You know how to watermark videos 'correctly' and how to do product placement 'properly.' Everyone else is clueless so you have a huge lead on the rest of the industry.

Tell the truth, are you just holding yourself back because you want to stay humble?

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113137)

quite simple because i need to prove to a bunch of investors that adult videos would respond the same way as mainstream videos responded to those changes.

the base line test (the ones we did before we developed the innovative branding bugs stuff) was simple doing watermarking and product placement like it was done historically done in mainstream

. we used the q-ratio and tracked the viewer to response ratios, they are the same as mainstream.

on a point by point bases adult product placement work the same as mainstream
which is why i can say any one who claims that product placement doesn't work in porn just doesn't understand product placement.

using only whitelabels and custom domains you can do product placement right.
I know that was the test senerio we used.

Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 16113050)

He knows it all... That's why he wastes so much time on here posting just like you. You both are really successful.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16113180)

Ohhh I understand it greatly. Eyeballs the porn industry doesn't have.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113236)

http://www.tube8.com/anal/french-girl-anal/1007/

7,697,245 views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Own_...ries)#Episodes

top rating 7.3 million viewers

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113236)

right like that not exactly the same problem that tv shows have right now when they choose to do product placement. they balance the content vs traffic line very well, nothing says a porn company can't do the exact same thing.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16113304)

That's 7.3 million that they can track in one series? And that's not raws views that's viewers. The tube8 video took 20 months to reach that many "raw" views, total.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113342)

you don't get it
that one tube site
this video could/would have been submitted to dozens

vs national rating of a show across all the local affiliates that relayed programming.

second so what if it takes 20 months to get those viewership, product placement is a long term advertising solution

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113342)

again this comes down to not understanding q-ratio. I suggest you actually look at episode of mowe referenced download it and watch. count the number of minutes that that edwards sport car was featured in the entire 2 hours episode (1.5 hours without commercial)

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113342)

getting coke to do a product placement in porn is like trying to sell tampons at a guys only gay bar. Get prodcut placements that are contextually relevent.

if you don't waste your time trying to get irrelevant placements. it not a waste. specifically because the views gotten when the content is pirated can count.

you make money when your video is "Stolen". You actually turn the problem into the solution.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16113352)

mowe cost 5 million + an episode to film
the average porn video if your lucky 2-3 grand.


if you got .1% of the success you would be turning a massive profit on this type of product placement.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16113381)

Because you can't guarantee the viewings of those people, for the product, when it's shown. Because the unique viewing across all of them is unknown. This nobody is paying worth a crap.

I might as well open a clip store.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16110063)

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 16113463)

Hey! Get the fuck out of here tube boy.

There are adults talking in the room, and none of them more significant than the class act you just dissed you lying sack of shit.

Get the fuck out of here tube boy!

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16099169)

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 16116880)

Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry.

Shap, takes a real human being to apologize and though we have never met I only have respect for the way you handle biz in forums like this. Hopefully you will never let your success go to your head and develop what I call "rockstar syndrome" because you seem to genuinely remember what it was like back in the day when you were the newbie too.

Gideongallery, I honestly don't know why people react so negatively toward your contributions on this board. I sincerely respect what you have to say and learn a great deal from what you add here, plus I am impressed by how you never play tit for tat in the name calling that usually ensues whenever you post.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 16116880)

Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16121349)

Thanks Far-L -- That meant a lot to me. Dare I say, "Perfect!"

Originally Posted by B O B (Post 16099175)

Steve, I love you like a brother, and you have always been there for me...Im lucky to consider you one of my closest friends...

Originally Posted by Machete_ (Post 17831040)

retarded bump of a 2 year old thread

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17831259)

The bump is funnier than Steve's original Tawnee is dead thread.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16099169)

The adult industry is in trouble. We have all been affected by the global recession, new credit card rules, and the general lack of consumer confidence. Many of us look for someone to blame besides ourselves. After all, we WERE making money, and WE didn?t change anything, so it must be someone else?s fault, right? Tube sites and aggressive billing practices are obvious and easy targets, but I think we need to look again at ourselves.

In 1999, it felt like everyone and everything was new. Even though no one knew each other, and the best ways to earn money online were still undefined, we were all willing to meet and work together to figure it out. No one knew from where the next great idea was going to come. A handful of pioneers were leading the way, and the rest of us took notes when they spoke. The industry was young and hungry, and mostly HUMBLE.

But then the worst thing happened. We all started making lots of money. Along came lavish parties, and the ?Industry RockStars? were created. Immediately, the industry divided into two camps. The ?Haves? and the ?Wants?. The ?Haves? became less humble, and the ?Wants? were not welcome anymore. Parties and conventions became exclusive and invite-only. The ?Haves? power grew while the ?Wants? were left out. But the industry stopped growing because the people with new ideas were effectively shut out.

Along the way, the ?Haves? tried to work together, but clashing egos and poor business skills doomed many of their projects to failure. Eventually, petty bickering forced everyone apart, and the industry started sliding.

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

So I say the circle is broken, and the only way to fix it is for everyone to change. Let go of resentment and petty disagreements and start working together again. All of us. Most of all, we need to learn from our own history and avoid making the same mistakes.

I want to be the first to start. I want to apologize to everyone. Events in my life have reminded me where I came from. Some of you will laugh at me, or revel in my misfortune, but I?m going to learn from my mistakes and be humble again. I?m ready to let my ego go, stop acting like a RockStar, and return to taking notes when people speak. I'm ready to listen and learn, and party like it's 1999.

Steve Lightspeed