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tony286 07-25-2009 06:24 AM

Once the cop. Found it was his house.the cop should of said sorry to bother you and left.the cop is supposed to be the professional.Once he found out gates was in his own house it should of been end of story.

IllTestYourGirls 07-25-2009 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104764)
Once the cop. Found it was his house.the cop should of said sorry to bother you and left.the cop is supposed to be the professional.Once he found out gates was in his own house it should of been end of story.

Once the racist said "You dont know who you are messing with" that gave the police enough reason to arrest him. That is a direct threat to the police officers safety. Who knows "who he is messing with?" He could have been "messing" with someone who goes to his bedroom to get an ak-47, follow the cop down the road and shoot him up at the next stop light.

tony286 07-25-2009 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16104794)
Once the racist said "You dont know who you are messing with" that gave the police enough reason to arrest him. That is a direct threat to the police officers safety. Who knows "who he is messing with?" He could have been "messing" with someone who goes to his bedroom to get an ak-47, follow the cop down the road and shoot him up at the next stop light.

A old well dressed man with a cane? How can you say that with a straight face. If it was Dr Henry Kissinger it would be interesting to see how it would be perceived. Once the cop knew it was the mans house, a professional would of said sorry to bother you have a good day. Being mouthy isnt illegal especially after you find out the person you are going to check on is actually the home owner. The person whose taxes pays the cops salary.

IllTestYourGirls 07-25-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104840)
A old well dressed man with a cane? How can you say that with a straight face. If it was Dr Henry Kissinger it would be interesting to see how it would be perceived. Once the cop knew it was the mans house, a professional would of said sorry to bother you have a good day. Being mouthy isnt illegal especially after you find out the person you are going to check on is actually the home owner. The person whose taxes pays the cops salary.

Why are you profiling? "Old man with cane". Being mouthy isnt illegal. THREATENING a police officer is. :winkwink:

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 07:29 AM

there's white and black racist in this country scum of the earth their time will come

dav3 07-25-2009 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104840)
Once the cop knew it was the mans house, a professional would of said sorry to bother you have a good day. Being mouthy isnt illegal especially after you find out the person you are going to check on is actually the home owner. The person whose taxes pays the cops salary.

See, that's the thing. When the cops tried to verify his identity, after being called there for a possible burglary, Gates pulled the black man in America schpeel and refused to show his ID. Then when he did show an ID, it was his Harvard ID, instead of a government issued ID. If anyone refused to show an ID, when asked for by an officer, they would have been arrested also. That's just how it is.

This woman explains it well. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137

tony286 07-25-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16104852)
Why are you profiling? "Old man with cane". Being mouthy isnt illegal. THREATENING a police officer is. :winkwink:

That isnt a threat and he wasnt arresting for threatening a police officer. He was arrested for being difficult,difficult isnt a crime.So try again :)

tony286 07-25-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 16104860)
See, that's the thing. When the cops tried to verify his identity, after being called there for a possible burglary, Gates pulled the black man in America schpeel and refused to show his ID. Then when he did show an ID, it was his Harvard ID, instead of a government issued ID. If anyone refused to show an ID, when asked for by an officer, they would have been arrested also. That's just how it is.

This woman explains it well. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137

once again he wasnt arrested for that. The cop didnt like him being mouthy once again thats not a crime and he did show the cop id so the cop knew it was his house. If the cop was a professional he would left, a professional doesnt let assholes get to him.

tony286 07-25-2009 07:45 AM

http://www.examiner.com/x-907-NY-Cit...009m7d24-Gates

IllTestYourGirls 07-25-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104878)
once again he wasnt arrested for that. The cop didnt like him being mouthy once again thats not a crime and he did show the cop id so the cop knew it was his house. If the cop was a professional he would left, a professional doesnt let assholes get to him.

Threatening a police officer is disorderly conduct. :upsidedow

tony286 07-25-2009 07:50 AM

you read the cops report and you read the way gates said it happened. Its funny they both clear themselves. I figured what really happened was somewhere in the middle.

tony286 07-25-2009 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16104881)
Threatening a police officer is disorderly conduct. :upsidedow

He didn't threaten him sorry. He was supposedly calling the chief of police saying that. that's not a physical threat.

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16104881)
Threatening a police officer is disorderly conduct. :upsidedow

cops like 2 abuse their power their here to serve us he pays their checks he wasnt dangerous he could have jump in his car and drove off. good thing is karma it will come around.

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Rangermoore 07-25-2009 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104878)
once again he wasnt arrested for that. The cop didnt like him being mouthy once again thats not a crime and he did show the cop id so the cop knew it was his house. If the cop was a professional he would left, a professional doesnt let assholes get to him.

Your an idiot

tony286 07-25-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore (Post 16104916)
Your an idiot

oh thank you for bringing the conversation to a third grade level. lol

jmcb420 07-25-2009 08:05 AM

Race is the only issue involved here. Look at Gates background then look at Sgt. Crowley's. Gates went off before Sgt. Crowley even explained why he was there. When Sgt. Crowley asked for ID, the situation was taken to ridiculiousness by gates.

now you have some 60 year old Harvard prick with the spotlight and he gets to reign once again about "the man"

Fuck gates, he was in the wrong and instead of admiting that he will do the typical and use this to show that in his eyes in 2009 racism still exists.

And Sgt. Crowley is gonna be his stepping stone, and thats just fucking bullshit. Sgt. Crowley did nothing wrong. I'm like FletchXXX, I fucking hate the police. Period. But this is a good cop here, and he did all the right things.

Obama should worry about running the country. Not commenting on this case at all, cause he wasn't there. Even saying anything about it just makes the media run to Gates, someone whom i'm sure most will agree has always been propelled by race and is by all definition, racist himself.

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 08:11 AM

good cops :1orglaugh

escorpio 07-25-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16104967)
good cops :1orglaugh

What's so funny about good cops?

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 16104997)
What's so funny about good cops?

:error:2 cents:

Thomas1007 07-25-2009 08:42 AM

both were wrong. Obama shouldnt be commenting.
Although he did say he would try to arrange for a cold beer
in the whitehouse for all apparently.

dav3 07-25-2009 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16104878)
once again he wasnt arrested for that. The cop didnt like him being mouthy once again thats not a crime and he did show the cop id so the cop knew it was his house. If the cop was a professional he would left, a professional doesnt let assholes get to him.

Once again, Gates became disorderly before he had shown any type of ID. Why couldn't Gates have been professional and scholarly and kept his head? What makes him immune?

Next time you get pulled over and the cop asks for your ID, raise your voice and start yelling at him and see what happens.

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 08:48 AM

anyway u put it he went to jail when he was in his own damn house

escorpio 07-25-2009 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105040)
anyway u put it he went to jail when he was in his own damn house

Being in your own house doesn't make you immune to arrest.

eroticsexxx 07-25-2009 08:54 AM

For Immediate Release July 24, 2009

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

2:33 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Hey, it's a cameo appearance. Sit down, sit down. I need to help Gibbs out a little bit here.

Q Are you the new press secretary?

THE PRESIDENT: If you got to do a job, do it yourself. (Laughter.)

I wanted to address you guys directly because over the last day and a half obviously there's been all sorts of controversy around the incident that happened in Cambridge with Professor Gates and the police department there.

I actually just had a conversation with Sergeant Jim Crowley, the officer involved. And I have to tell you that as I said yesterday, my impression of him was that he was a outstanding police officer and a good man, and that was confirmed in the phone conversation -- and I told him that.

And because this has been ratcheting up -- and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up -- I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically -- and I could have calibrated those words differently. And I told this to Sergeant Crowley.

I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well. My sense is you've got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in the way that it should have been resolved and the way they would have liked it to be resolved.

The fact that it has garnered so much attention I think is a testimony to the fact that these are issues that are still very sensitive here in America. So to the extent that my choice of words didn't illuminate, but rather contributed to more media frenzy, I think that was unfortunate.

What I'd like to do then I make sure that everybody steps back for a moment, recognizes that these are two decent people, not extrapolate too much from the facts -- but as I said at the press conference, be mindful of the fact that because of our history, because of the difficulties of the past, you know, African Americans are sensitive to these issues. And even when you've got a police officer who has a fine track record on racial sensitivity, interactions between police officers and the African American community can sometimes be fraught with misunderstanding.

My hope is, is that as a consequence of this event this ends up being what's called a "teachable moment," where all of us instead of pumping up the volume spend a little more time listening to each other and try to focus on how we can generally improve relations between police officers and minority communities, and that instead of flinging accusations we can all be a little more reflective in terms of what we can do to contribute to more unity. Lord knows we need it right now -- because over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care. (Laughter.)

I will not use this time to spend more words on health care, although I can't guarantee that that will be true next week. I just wanted to emphasize that -- one last point I guess I would make. There are some who say that as President I shouldn't have stepped into this at all because it's a local issue. I have to tell you that that part of it I disagree with. The fact that this has become such a big issue I think is indicative of the fact that race is still a troubling aspect of our society. Whether I were black or white, I think that me commenting on this and hopefully contributing to constructive -- as opposed to negative -- understandings about the issue, is part of my portfolio.

So at the end of the conversation there was a discussion about -- my conversation with Sergeant Crowley, there was discussion about he and I and Professor Gates having a beer here in the White House. We don't know if that's scheduled yet -- (laughter) -- but we may put that together.

He also did say he wanted to find out if there was a way of getting the press off his lawn. (Laughter.) I informed him that I can't get the press off my lawn. (Laughter.) He pointed out that my lawn is bigger than his lawn. (Laughter.) But if anybody has any connections to the Boston press, as well as national press, Sergeant Crowley would be happy for you to stop trampling his grass.

All right. Thank you, guys.

END 2:33 P.M. EDT

escorpio 07-25-2009 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas1007 (Post 16105026)
both were wrong. Obama shouldnt be commenting.
Although he did say he would try to arrange for a cold beer
in the whitehouse for all apparently.

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jmcb420 07-25-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105040)
anyway u put it he went to jail when he was in his own damn house


Gates broke the law when he went verbaly abusive on the cop. That is the bottom line, freedom of speech is not something you should exercise when dealing with a cop. It dosen't matter if you are at your house or in church. A broken law is a broken law.


If you don't believe that walk outside, find a cop and say "Hello officer, Go fuck yourself."

Gates is just lucky he is who he is.

acctman 07-25-2009 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 16103048)
Here's how I think it went down.

Neighbor sees someone trying to get in the front door of a house and suspects
it's a break in so they call police.

Police answer the call and find a person inside the house. The person provides identification proving that he is in fact the resident of the home.

Police are satisfied and are ready to leave but the homeowner gets irate and plays the race card saying this would have never happened if he was white. Police try to diffuse the situation but the homeowner becomes increasingly belligerent. After ignoring numerous request by the officers to calm down he's arrested for disorderly conduct.

The homeowner then takes it public to gain notoriety and use the incident as a teaching tool. The incident is misunderstood and race never played a part in it until the homeowner decided it should.

but if you're on your property or inside your home you can say what ever you like. they can force you to stop swearing inside of your own home. cops should have just left. thats like getting arrested for before drunk inside your own home.

stickyfingerz 07-25-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 16105053)
For Immediate Release July 24, 2009

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

2:33 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Hey, it's a cameo appearance. Sit down, sit down. I need to help Gibbs out a little bit here.

Q Are you the new press secretary?

THE PRESIDENT: If you got to do a job, do it yourself. (Laughter.)

I wanted to address you guys directly because over the last day and a half obviously there's been all sorts of controversy around the incident that happened in Cambridge with Professor Gates and the police department there.

I actually just had a conversation with Sergeant Jim Crowley, the officer involved. And I have to tell you that as I said yesterday, my impression of him was that he was a outstanding police officer and a good man, and that was confirmed in the phone conversation -- and I told him that.

And because this has been ratcheting up -- and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up -- I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically -- and I could have calibrated those words differently. And I told this to Sergeant Crowley.

I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well. My sense is you've got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in the way that it should have been resolved and the way they would have liked it to be resolved.

The fact that it has garnered so much attention I think is a testimony to the fact that these are issues that are still very sensitive here in America. So to the extent that my choice of words didn't illuminate, but rather contributed to more media frenzy, I think that was unfortunate.

What I'd like to do then I make sure that everybody steps back for a moment, recognizes that these are two decent people, not extrapolate too much from the facts -- but as I said at the press conference, be mindful of the fact that because of our history, because of the difficulties of the past, you know, African Americans are sensitive to these issues. And even when you've got a police officer who has a fine track record on racial sensitivity, interactions between police officers and the African American community can sometimes be fraught with misunderstanding.

My hope is, is that as a consequence of this event this ends up being what's called a "teachable moment," where all of us instead of pumping up the volume spend a little more time listening to each other and try to focus on how we can generally improve relations between police officers and minority communities, and that instead of flinging accusations we can all be a little more reflective in terms of what we can do to contribute to more unity. Lord knows we need it right now -- because over the last two days as we've discussed this issue, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody has been paying much attention to health care. (Laughter.)

I will not use this time to spend more words on health care, although I can't guarantee that that will be true next week. I just wanted to emphasize that -- one last point I guess I would make. There are some who say that as President I shouldn't have stepped into this at all because it's a local issue. I have to tell you that that part of it I disagree with. The fact that this has become such a big issue I think is indicative of the fact that race is still a troubling aspect of our society. Whether I were black or white, I think that me commenting on this and hopefully contributing to constructive -- as opposed to negative -- understandings about the issue, is part of my portfolio.

So at the end of the conversation there was a discussion about -- my conversation with Sergeant Crowley, there was discussion about he and I and Professor Gates having a beer here in the White House. We don't know if that's scheduled yet -- (laughter) -- but we may put that together.

He also did say he wanted to find out if there was a way of getting the press off his lawn. (Laughter.) I informed him that I can't get the press off my lawn. (Laughter.) He pointed out that my lawn is bigger than his lawn. (Laughter.) But if anybody has any connections to the Boston press, as well as national press, Sergeant Crowley would be happy for you to stop trampling his grass.

All right. Thank you, guys.

END 2:33 P.M. EDT

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stickyfingerz 07-25-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by acctman (Post 16105082)
but if you're on your property or inside your home you can say what ever you like. they can force you to stop swearing inside of your own home. cops should have just left. thats like getting arrested for before drunk inside your own home.

You can be drunk inside of your home sure, but if you are causing an issue and your neighbors call and you refuse to give the cops your id, or act belligerent to them when they show up you will probably be going to jail. Thats how it works. Once a call has been placed the cops are doing their job to check out the issue. Obama was retarded to even comment on the issue.

Imagine if Bush had commented on a black cop and white professor in the same manner? Sheesh..

acctman 07-25-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 16105036)
Once again, Gates became disorderly before he had shown any type of ID. Why couldn't Gates have been professional and scholarly and kept his head? What makes him immune?

Next time you get pulled over and the cop asks for your ID, raise your voice and start yelling at him and see what happens.

getting pulled over and being on your own property are two different things. If you're pulled over its for a reason and mouthing off to an officer won't prevent you getting a ticket or possible arrest for disorderly conduct. NOW, if you're in your own HOME and on your property you can saw what ever you want. An officer coming to your door and then pretty much telling to stop swearing inside your own home or on your porch... does not give the right for them to arrest you. He showed ID so they knew it was his property, the should of left regardless if he was swearing at them from the porch or inside his home.

yeah lets allow all officers to arrest anyone swearing or being rude to them from within there home. yup, make them exit there home and arrest them, thats a perfect way to run things.

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by acctman (Post 16105082)
but if you're on your property or inside your home you can say what ever you like. they can force you to stop swearing inside of your own home. cops should have just left. thats like getting arrested for before drunk inside your own home.

cops dont talk shit in the hood their out numbered :winkwink: check the hoods in oak town police are scared :1orglaugh

escorpio 07-25-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105115)
cops dont talk shit in the hood their out numbered :winkwink: check the hoods in oak town police are scared :1orglaugh

Why are they scared? The police in my neighborhood aren't scared.

dav3 07-25-2009 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105115)
cops dont talk shit in the hood their out numbered :winkwink: check the hoods in oak town police are scared :1orglaugh

You have 10 seconds to comply.

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acctman 07-25-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 16105109)
You can be drunk inside of your home sure, but if you are causing an issue and your neighbors call and you refuse to give the cops your id, or act belligerent to them when they show up you will probably be going to jail. Thats how it works. Once a call has been placed the cops are doing their job to check out the issue. Obama was retarded to even comment on the issue.

Imagine if Bush had commented on a black cop and white professor in the same manner? Sheesh..

but the thing is he never refused to give his ID. after the ID was shown that should of been it. Regardless of his color, put yourself in his position the officers should have been the ones to walk away after seeing that he was the true owner. Not all cops are polite and nice, I'm pretty sure they knocked with hands on gun (which is normal) and told him to step outside. Which is fine, but I'm sure Gates asked why just like anyone else would ask why if cops came to your door and told you to step outside. Then once outside started asking you question and treating you like you broke into your own home. Depending on that person they react different, some may be like no let me get my id officers others maybe like WTF are you kidding me... and go off. I think more officers need to understand that not everyone is guilty and yes criminals do lie, but if someone is swearing at you just walk away... why waste the time to prove a point and arrest someone. there is a lot of serious matters that could take up there time, rather than arresting someone that has the right to be a little pissed off for being accused of being a robber and was proven not to have been.

brassmonkey 07-25-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 16105122)
Why are they scared? The police in my neighborhood aren't scared.

take a ride in south oakland better yet walk and when u get jumped call the police :)

escorpio 07-25-2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105143)
take a ride in south oakland better yet walk and when u get jumped call the police :)

I would get jumped walking in south Oakland? Why do you say that? You can walk in my neighborhood without getting jumped.

tony286 07-25-2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 16105109)
You can be drunk inside of your home sure, but if you are causing an issue and your neighbors call and you refuse to give the cops your id, or act belligerent to them when they show up you will probably be going to jail. Thats how it works. Once a call has been placed the cops are doing their job to check out the issue. Obama was retarded to even comment on the issue.

Imagine if Bush had commented on a black cop and white professor in the same manner? Sheesh..

Actually bush the first commented on Rodney king when he was president.Also his neighbors didn't call the police because he was being a problem.they thought the house was being robbed.once that old. Man showed it was his house the cop should of just left.that is what the call was for.

stickyfingerz 07-25-2009 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 16105176)
Actually bush the first commented on Rodney king when he was president.

Ok and what did he say?

acctman 07-25-2009 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16105115)
cops dont talk shit in the hood their out numbered :winkwink: check the hoods in oak town police are scared :1orglaugh

true lol... if more cops would listen to reason and not just arrest people just because they can, people wouldn't be as uptight about. ID was shown case close, have a nice day sir sorry for the confusion. No ID shown, sir please turn around we're going to have to arrest you. ... ID shown, we know you're the owner but we don't like the way you're talking to us so we're going to arrest you, come on now. its like a bully proving a point that he/she will always win regardless.


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