nevermind...

You should watch a few episodes of " COPS " and see how and why so many people get arrested for doing dumb stuff in their own home.

It's a simple question. Why not answer?

Remove officers from situation and the person will go back inside and calm down. Now if the officers decide to stay there and let the person continue... oh look we just arrested someone and wasted time when we "officers" could have just left. Its simple just leave, why is it so hard for an officer to just walk away, a lot of those disorderly conduct arrest are just a waste of time. clearly the person is pissed at you so just leave. if he/she continues and you get called back then make the arrest. but thats sounds to simple for anyone to understand and actually do. everyone wants to be a tough guy and when you're an officer you win regardless if you're the one fueling the fire.

that he found the video to be very disturbing.Also if the same thing happened in reverse the righties would calling for that policemans head.let's not kid ourselves.

and people wonder why people dont trust police cause they can make shit up even if they are wrong yeah watch cops u might see when the camera man turns the camera away when they punch the suspect.

:2 cents:

Not sure I see any sort of parallel to that story and this one. lol Bush saw a video of a black man getting beat down in the street by cops and said it was disturbing. Rodney King was black. If it had been black cops and a white guy there would be a parallel lol.

Not going to answer my question? You're the one that claimed I would get jumped walking in Oakland. Care to explain why?

I can see the cops being called to my house one day... because i never carry my front door keys and the only way I enter my home is via the garage. now if I lose my remote or there is a power outage, my only way in would be to scale the side of the house and jump over the almost 6ft talk wooden fence in the backyard. and unlock the door through the doggy door. Personally I can control my temper and would just show ID and point out why I entered that way and used my code to deactivate the alarm.

there are more dumb people then non... one could probably say me scaling the fence would be a dumb move but my thinking would be it my house.

So you admit that he should not of been belligerent and played the race card to the cops,and simply thanked them for coming to check so quickly and shown his id and treated them with respect and there wouldn't of been an issue? Imagine..

im not going there i have work to do have a good one all dont drink and drive and please remember 2 get your keys :1orglaugh that is all:)

yes in a perfect word, that how if should of played out. personally me i would of showed my ID and explained my situation and said thanks. not everyone is calm like that, and its up to the officer being in a position of power to understand that people react differently. I'm black so would never have used the race card but under some people get upset easier than others regardless of race. I've walked away for a lot of situations that could have been worse, if someone wants to continue being mad let them do it alone, walk away.

You already went there. Why not answer the question?

Well there you go. The guy acted in a non responsible manner and then pulled the race card.

Some of us called it early, this is a really simple story in the end. After all this baloney, one common phrase could sum it all up perfectly: Mess with the bull and you'll get the horns.

No big race issue, no nothin'. Just a jetlagged dude and a cop needing to wrap up a report. Words were said, an arrest was made. Maybe they'll have some good makeup sex. Moving along.

this article is what i'm getting at...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32136369...new_york_times

a good article and true.

“We say, ‘Back down,’ ” he said. “If they don’t back down and start making direct threats, that’s an offense. They don’t get a free pass.”

He said that threats could be defined in different ways, and he preferred to talk people down, but that the rules changed if a crowd formed, which was routine in New York and also occurred during the Gates incident."

That thereby nullifies the entire point of quoting that article.

“We don’t get to tell people what they want to hear,” said the Los Angeles officer, who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being quoted on duty. “Whether we’re giving them a ticket or responding to some conflict between a husband and wife, we’re not dealing with people at their best, and if you don’t have a tough skin, then you shouldn’t be a cop.”

in my opinion,

Black women have the biggest most beautiful breasteses in the whole wide world.

-Josh

This is for those who think they know what the law is and make stuff up...

"Unless you confess to a crime,or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here ? cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes. "

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...ti cle?chn=us

Try it sometime and tell us how it works out.

End of thread.

Read the whole story. The police were leaving and Gates took it outside. The police are not going to let you create a disturbance outside. :2 cents:

I'm surprised the fucking commie didn't say "it's just words".

If they just walked away and that person or another person was hurt, then they would be responsible. Being pissed off is when people tend to do a lot of stupid things. Doing your job as a police officer is not being a tough guy. More citizens need to stop acting like assholes. :2 cents:

boy did you miss the point... I'm not arguing how a cop may or may not react... This was a response to those who claimed that the cop did nothing wrong.. that mouthing off to a cop is against the law or that the cop was right to arrest Gate for being "tumultuous" ....

The cop shouldn't have arrested Gate for being "tumultuous"

End of thread.

The writer of that article doesn't have a fucking clue and apparently neither do you.


From Massachusetts law.

A disorderly person is defined as one who:

* with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
* recklessly creates a risk thereof
* engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
* creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.



From dictionary.com

tu⋅mul⋅tu⋅ous
  /tuˈmʌltʃuəs, tyu-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [too-muhl-choo-uhs, tyoo-] Show IPA
Use tumultuous in a Sentence
–adjective
1. full of tumult or riotousness; marked by disturbance and uproar: a tumultuous celebration.
2. raising a great clatter and commotion; disorderly or noisy: a tumultuous crowd of students.
3. highly agitated, as the mind or emotions; distraught; turbulent.


Go to ANY LEO and tell him his mother is a cunt and see if you're arrested.

And I repeat.

Try it sometime to the level that Gates took it and let us know how it works out.

Be sure to get Lawrence O'Donnell's phone # so that he can bail you out of jail.

Let's not forget that he was the one who compared Michael Vick's dogfighting to a fisherman catching fish...Yeah...that's right.

haha... yeah, if a person is being tumultuous and raising hell in front of say, a restaurant, he'll be arrested if he doesnt stop.... Funny how you try to prove that, Lawrence O'Donnell, Jr., amongst a few other qualified people I heard/read say the same thing, by pulling up the definition of a term that is very vague, without any context specified... and then interpretate it the way you want.. You are not a lawyer...

Caught that earlier today... from another clueless person I guess..

"If Crowley had gone to law school with Gates, he would have known not to arrest him too."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennif..._b_244859.html

and I repeat, you miss the point

http://i.newsvine.com/_vine/images/a...bfc7c2f03d.jpg
Cambridge police Sgt. James Crowley, left, stands with Sgt. Leon Lashley, right, as police from various unions hold a news conference in Cambridge, Mass. Friday, July 24, 2009 to express support for Crowley in connection to the incident in which he arrested Harvard Prof. Lewis Gates at his home. Sgt. Lashley, who was with Crowley at the scene of the arrest, later said he supports "100 percent" how Crowley handled the situation.

Obama says: "My sense is you've got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in a way that it should have been resolved."

The point you attempted to make was largely incorrect and that is being shown slowly, but surely.

This case is so simple, yet because Gates made it racial we have this overwhelming stink.

And Blacks in America expect to be treated equally.

Really now...

If an officer cannot reasonably question a citizen and then take said citizen into custody after they mouth off in a fashion that warrants them being taken in, only because that person is BLACK, then THAT is not equality in the least.

If we Blacks expected to be treated equally, then when we mess up we should be held to the same standard, WITHOUT being able to jade our side by crying racism.

How many officers will now put themselves in danger because they feel that they have to treat Blacks with "kid gloves" so that they are not accused of the same nonsense that Crowley is being accused of.

THAT is my point.

All that Gates is doing is creating resentment and stoking up racial tensions. And some of you are supporting it!

Gates needs to shut up and take his measly instance of being taken into custody as a lesson. His racial accusations belong in a cart of horseshit and he knows it.

He knew he could cuff him and take him in on a charge that would not get prosecuted and just piss the fuck off that old dude with a cane who was yelling at him.

Gates will regret this incident more than any in hies life. Everything he has done is being scrutinized, including him using this quote on his APPLICATION TO YALE

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

He has held resentment towards whites for as long as he has been alive.

Yeah Gates is so militant he has a white wife,mixed children and supported Hilary in the election.

Wow, well said.

Foot in your mouth :1orglaugh

Massachusetts WAS my home state.
I worked in law for 11 years

I must insist again, you missed MY point and argue something I never talked about...

Gates was wrong to make it a race issue... Same thing would have happened if he was white...

You say "take said citizen into custody after they mouth off in a fashion that warrants them being taken in" ... Warrants? Did Gate broke a law? Why do you want to give cops power they don't have? Saw the ambulance video? You know that happens more often then you think? And you want to give up your right to protest to a cop?

Here's my point again, slowly, The cop shouldn't have arrested Gate for being "tumultuous" after he gave out his IDs..