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d-null 07-30-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 16125572)
I'm fairly certain that liver damage can still happen with intramuscular injections. Remember, the Liver holds up to about 13% of all the blood in the body at one time. One of it's purposes is to clean drugs and what not out of the system. Intramuscular drugs still end up in the blood stream, and thus by definition in the liver.

The danger, as far as I understand it, with oral steroids is the the liver has to process the drug twice where as only one time with IM.

not exactly

the steroids that are known as liver toxic are ones that are specifically designed to be active orally by attaching a molecule to the main steroid so that they will survive the digestive system to become active, and that is what makes the liver have to do the work to cleave that attached molecule..... if you swallow a steroid that doesn't have that attached molecule, it won't hurt your liver at all, but it also won't do anything for you because the digestive system will destroy the steroid

many injectable steroids are not liver toxic because they don't have the attached molecule

JaneB 07-31-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16125225)
hopefully he will go into a roid rage when you are around and choke you out... :thumbsup


LOL. You make me laugh with your silly, immature postings. :thumbsup

tranza 07-31-2009 09:59 AM

I wouldn't go for it...

Owner 07-31-2009 11:38 AM

http://i32.tinypic.com/2j65jyw.jpg

Fletch XXX 07-31-2009 11:41 AM

doctors have access to all the good stuff

WWC 08-02-2009 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DLXphil (Post 16122625)
How often did you get checked by a dr...just wondering

once a year and major tune up every 5 years :1orglaugh

SpicyM 08-02-2009 07:40 AM

How you can be proud of muscles built on steroids? You cant.. you just show your inability, its like chicks having silicon boobs and doing like they were born with them :2 cents:

L0stMind 08-02-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16122728)
you have NO clue what you're talking about and i'm not going to bang my head against the wall for a few rounds just to make that point.


its not an opinion that you can responsibly use testosterone, hgh and other drugs to improve hormonal balances and restore diminished hormone levels to healthier levels. nor is it my opinion that there are tremendous health benefits from doing so.

when's the last time you went to the doctor to get full blood work done or use hgh or testosterone or deca while monitoring your blood work?

my last blood test was last week.

here is my normal tests every 6 months:

402 Dhea Sulfate
470 Fsh
615 Lh
839 Igf-I
866 T4, Free
899 Tsh, 3rd Generation
5463 Urinalysis, Complete
6399 Cbc (Includes Diff/Plt)
7600 Lipid Panel
10124 Cardio Crp(R)
10231 Comprehensive Metabolic Panel W/Egfr
30740 Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
31348 Psa (Free And Total)
31789 Homocysteine, Cardiovascular
34429 T3, Free
Patient Copy Page 1 of 2
https://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/ss...pp=EREQ_SSL&gu... 7/24/2009
36169 Estradiol, Free, Lc/Ms/Ms
36170 Testosterone, Free

i know where i stand health wise in every respect and i know EXACTLY how HGH, test cyp and other drugs affect my health.... do you?

...of course not. you're just making shit up as you go based on myth and hype.

:2 cents::2 cents:

I wish I could go to the doctor in Canada here and get my bloodwork done. But they won't, I've asked and even offered to pay for it :(

Jim_Gunn 08-02-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by L0stMind (Post 16136170)
I wish I could go to the doctor in Canada here and get my bloodwork done. But they won't, I've asked and even offered to pay for it :(

Just go to Dr. Crisler in Michigan (AllThingsMale.com) or another men's health specialist in the U.S.. An office visit is only $250 or so and they can give you a kit to send away for your bloodwork which isn't all that expensive. I wouldn't suggest self-medicating like Robbie was suggesting, unless you are going to research it a lot. Bio-identical testosterone and HgH aren't that expensive at all to obtain legally with a prescription. If you aren't looking stack powerful steroids in a cycle to grow muscles, you won't save a lot of money on the black market.

L0stMind 08-02-2009 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16136202)
Just go to Dr. Crisler in Michigan (AllThingsMale.com) or another men's health specialist in the U.S.. An office visit is only $250 or so and they can give you a kit to send away for your bloodwork which isn't all that expensive. I wouldn't suggest self-medicating like Robbie was suggesting, unless you are going to research it a lot. Bio-identical testosterone and HgH aren't that expensive at all to obtain legally with a prescription. If you aren't looking stack powerful steroids in a cycle to grow muscles, you won't save a lot of money on the black market.

Nah, I just want to have an idea of how healthy I am. I've worked out for a few years, busted my knee up last year and just had my surgery a few months back... finally getting active again and should be cleared to lift heavy soon.

Would be interesting to see how lifting actually affects my bloodwork. Also I tend to eat a lot better when I workout, lately I find myself eating much more junkfood then I normally would. It's a *funny* cycle, you stop working out, start eating junkfood, start to feel like crap, crave more junkfood. Or you could just workout and feel better overall. So I definitely know how these ginormous fat people get fat, what I don't understand is how they let themselves get that big and think it's ok.

Thanks for the link though!

Now, back to steroid discussion. I still haven't made up my mind 1 way or the other on steroids. HRT - yes, 100% think it's a great thing especially because you get dr supervision.

Slappin Fish 08-02-2009 09:22 AM

Steroids aren't just used by Bodybuilder looking to gain huge weight :2 cents:

There is a good reason professional athletes test positive for steroids in virtually any sport.

It allows you to train longer and harder with shorter recovery periods without overtraining symptoms.

Here in Thailand you can virtually walk in any hospital and ask for a shot, if you are training hard for muay or mma it is a welcome help.

d-null 08-02-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by L0stMind (Post 16136170)
I wish I could go to the doctor in Canada here and get my bloodwork done. But they won't, I've asked and even offered to pay for it :(

agree with you, it is one of the problems with the canadian health care system, you can't take your health into your own hands and take care of yourself

in the states you can order whatever tests you feel are necessary

WWC 08-02-2009 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Luv (Post 16123600)
No, I don't need to do steroids. lol

I can tell :winkwink:

WWC 08-03-2009 12:16 AM

Oh and even Carrot Top dude... lol funny looking now...he was funny and cooler looking before ... suited his funny comedian career but he just fucked up and no one hears from him anymore right? :1orglaugh

http://www.dlisted.com/files/ctophotness2.jpg

tornell 08-03-2009 12:23 AM

http://www.onemorebite-weightloss.co...icolesmith.jpg

Robbie 08-03-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 16139850)
Oh and even Carrot Top dude... lol funny looking now...he was funny and cooler looking before ... suited his funny comedian career but he just fucked up and no one hears from him anymore right? :1orglaugh

http://www.dlisted.com/files/ctophotness2.jpg

Carrot Top has been doing a long running show right here in Vegas. I haven't been to it yet but I do plan on seeing it. He's making more money now than he ever did in his life. Not steroid related of course. I personally think he looked "funnier" as a skinny little twirp. But I haven't been to see his new show yet so I can't really comment on his funniness quotient. But I bet he feels a hell of a lot better now that he's in shape, and I'd also bet the farm that he gets a LOT more pussy these days too.

WWC 08-03-2009 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16139907)
Carrot Top has been doing a long running show right here in Vegas. I haven't been to it yet but I do plan on seeing it. He's making more money now than he ever did in his life. Not steroid related of course. I personally think he looked "funnier" as a skinny little twirp. But I haven't been to see his new show yet so I can't really comment on his funniness quotient. But I bet he feels a hell of a lot better now that he's in shape, and I'd also bet the farm that he gets a LOT more pussy these days too.

I have seen his show in Vegas, was so so .....but how do you know if he is making more money now? With his shows? Is he still there?

Eitherway i think he looks bad....like a man who turned into a red head shemale back trying to look like a cool guy again lol

I say stay natural!

RadicalSights 08-03-2009 02:53 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&e...od ed&spell=1

Pleasurepays 08-03-2009 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights (Post 16140025)

should be...
"the man who suffered a pretty nasty abscess from injecting synthol into his bicep"

theking 08-03-2009 04:14 AM

It is my understanding that prolonged use of steroids will destroy ones immune system...among creating other health problems.

elmy 08-03-2009 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights (Post 16140025)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1395/...a8e25cf066.jpg

cancer ?

Pleasurepays 08-03-2009 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 16140157)
It is my understanding that prolonged use of steroids will destroy ones immune system...among creating other health problems.

you don't even know what "steroids" are, you're not correct... and you're a delusional and bitter weirdo that faked your own death on a porn forum.

Porn Grounds 08-03-2009 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elmy (Post 16140245)

That is done with a product called 'synthol' It is an oil that fills the muscle and makes it look huge.

d-null 08-03-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 16139850)
Oh and even Carrot Top dude... lol funny looking now...he was funny and cooler looking before ... suited his funny comedian career but he just fucked up and no one hears from him anymore right? :1orglaugh

http://www.dlisted.com/files/ctophotness2.jpg

the steroids actually make him look better, blame the eyeliner and makeup and painted fingernails for the freakiness :2 cents:

PSSuperstars 08-03-2009 03:18 PM

It's all in what you're mixing with it too...
In America, we pollute our bodies with tons of other drugs as well..

Let's use wrestling as an example...
2-3 national level wrestlers die a year....
probably 5-10 indy level wrestlers die a year...
It's always "heart attack"...

In other countries that are less, "gimme gimme more more more" drug filled.. you don't have these deaths..

The Lyle dude was just bullshit. He didn't reveal all the Soma's he was taking at night to sleep... then the lines of coke he was doing in the morning to wake up...

Steroids in and of themselves.. with a good diet and badass working out... can absolutely make a man a better man...

but when you've got steroids with shit diet, high stress, and other drugs... death is a given...

I watched a dude load up this weekend while backstage doing promos at a show... calm, great, nice guy.. badass amazing body... He and I discussed workout routines and his diet and shit.

Across the lockerroom... old school star from the 90s... blasted out of his mind on pain killers... was blabbering off bullshit advice... talking about going to Mexico and getting it.. not getting tested... and he goes in the ring that night.. and his rotator cup ends up tearing on a fucking leap frog, basic move... lands on his shoulder, pops it out of place... He ate like shit. He did shitloads of drugs.... + the steroids... fucked his life. It's his 3rd major injury in like 18 months... He'll be waking up in his own vomit soon and dying. guaranteed.

It's all about the lifestyle lived with the steroids... if you're not doing clean living and eating.. there's no reason to start cycling... you'll fuck your life more than before.

WWC 08-04-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16142177)
the steroids actually make him look better, blame the eyeliner and makeup and painted fingernails for the freakiness :2 cents:

"makes him look better"? have you seen his shoulders and bone structure now?


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