No because the government can rig the game, just like they have been for years. :2 cents:

it would be easier faking a moon landing than 'rigging' the free market.

i apologize, sincerely. It just keeps demanding to come out in spoken word.

This dude especially gets that sort of attention from me because i think he's smart enough to do a lot of good...

...rather than spew propaganda for an entirely (cough cough) different nation about a service he already enjoys.

Hope you like Stella Artois!

Um we are not in a free market. And it is really easy to pass laws that make it hard to do business and make it an even less of a "free market".

jesus dude, when did we get to the point where i have to specify every word i use?

'the best example of a free market we have'

same goes for any sort of example i use for freedom.

furthermore, i respect your opinion and most everything you say, but when did you get in bed with the corporates?

these people are raising rates and laughing at the numbers. I wonder if these current rate increases are to pay for the amount of propaganda being spewed out.

For example, the repubs just put up a canadian woman saying she had to mortgage her house to get an operation.

lets say that again. she mortgaged her house for a 100k operation that she could have gotten THAT day for FREE in Canada if it had been life threatening. She could have gotten it FREE if she simply just waited in line so people who needed it could get the operation THAT day. it's so terrible, they are promoting our healthcare without even realizing it.

what they are saying is an outright lie.

if you care to read the entire 900+ page bill in the house http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

page 16 has a provision under the heading Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage... it does nothing of the sort. It basically eliminates the private option over time. Just like Obama states as his goal in the above video.

Maybe I should believe what they tell me instead of my lying eyes when I read the bill.. :(

I wish we could fire all of the politicians and just start over.

Great news! So by the very act of Obama saying this will eliminate privatized insurance, that pretty much guarantees it WON'T HAPPEN! :D

Do you believe that YOU and everybody else will get the same kind of healthcare that the morons in congress get?

We're fucked either way.

i barely know what that says, but i'm going to take a wild guess and say that it's to protect the consumer who loses the ability to protect 'private health insurance' while not being able to pay the premiums. i THINK.. i'm guessing

but i have no idea where you came up with what you're suggesting in that mess

State Health Care will not close private Health Care. We have State Health Care in Europe and we have companies like BUPA.

The cost of the US system is way more than the European system and over all it's worse. Or the life expectancy in the US would compete with countries in Europe. It does not.

Give people and companies the option, they can got private or State. Then until more State hospitals are built, the State tells the private ones what the treatment costs. The private hospitals will come around.

If you only read that section then I can see where you would have that impression... but it isn't what it says at all... in this bill (which is the House version and won't see the light of day) all private plans currently in existence will no longer be able to add new policy holders but are still in effect... all new policies will be offered through the network... this includes private plans. It doesn't say anything about eliminating private plans... period.

The banks are starting to repay the money. There was no option to saving the car industry, the affect on the whole country would of been devestating. A lot of the Car Industry costs were private health insurance.

Obama has been in power for a few months and is getting to grip with the terrible state of the economy that he inherited. Anyone who kids themselves that it's his fault is either not dealing with a full deck or thinks we are stupid enough to swallow it.

As for the guys who think non ES citizens should not comment on how the US is run is also dealing with half a deck of cards. These guys are often the ones who tell us how marvelous the US and how it's the biggest economy in the world, might not be now Bush has had 8 years of raping it, so we all have every right to comment.

Leave your boxes sometimnes and think outside of them. These non points are useless and show the weakness of your case, like blaming it on lefties.

The money private insurance costs a lot will disappear whether there is something in the bill of not. I beleive very often companies pay insurance, they will see it as a way of cutting costs. Yes the right wing Repubs will see a way to save money and go for it.

People have given way too much weight to Obama's words.

Look at his actions...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...96_468x675.jpg

i agree that the section wouldn't make it through congress

Republicans and Democrats want you arguing over bullshit while they keep passing laws... They are not smart enough to write the laws or qualified to manage the changes.

Politics is all just a act and we have no idea what the hell is going on.

"Believe" what you want, we don't know shit.