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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 08-12-2009 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 16174668)
Yes, it's an Ex-GF site, that's how most of them do it.
and act which in itself is both shady and scumbaggish, not to mention questionably illegal.

Fletch XXX 08-12-2009 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16176388)
COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!! Using an image of a person without their permission OMG call the lawyers!!! :1orglaugh

gideongallery 08-12-2009 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16174498)
you won't do for a buck?

http://ads.brazzers.com/ads/design4/...9-08-11_18-56/

http://www.exgirlfriendfootage.com

so now you're into the dirty little netherworld of EX-GF sites, Eric and Ice freak out when anybody mentions the two letter abbreviation which we all know makes up most of these sites so I won't type them. you just couldnt stand to watch small fries making money from that niche so you just had to jump in.

oh....... and nice of you to include Raven Riley, I'm sure she and 3xTom are thrilled to be included.

http://cdn-1.dvdcdn.com/e1/wlb/exgir..._content_7.jpg
if the girl is not in the site then when they join and don't find her they will try and find out who she really is.
you need to just do some seo work to pull the traffic from these disappointed viewers

ie "maria from sitename.com"

that being said who is natalie and what program reps her.

d-null 08-12-2009 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16176519)
COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!! Using an image of a person without their permission OMG call the lawyers!!! :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh


but officer, some user uploaded that image to my forum and checked the form that said that they had all rights to upload the image and were authorizing me to use the image in any way I saw fit, therefore I'm in the clear on this one and all the others too :1orglaugh

SiMpLe 08-12-2009 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16176388)
Boxxy!!!

gideongallery 08-12-2009 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16176519)
COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!! Using an image of a person without their permission OMG call the lawyers!!! :1orglaugh
that fair use it called commentary.

Fletch XXX 08-12-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16176574)
that fair use it called commentary.
I was just poking fun at the irony of someones image being used without their permission in a thread about someone ELSE using someones image without their permission, I wasnt that serious about the accusation. However I am fairly certain Boxxy does not approve of images being made from her personal videos...

:winkwink:

SiMpLe 08-12-2009 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16176585)
I was just poking fun at the irony of someones image being used without their permission in a thread about someone ELSE using someones image without their permission, I wasnt that serious about the accusation. However I am fairly certain Boxxy does not approve of images being made from her personal videos...

:winkwink:
Boxxy roll
GO!

:1orglaugh

Qbert 08-12-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16175270)
Never gonna happen.

As long as they keep paying the whales, and affiliates good money. They will keep promoting them. This includes the big tube site owners who are also enjoying their prepaid traffic sold out monthly..... Oh yeah.

Nothing is going to change tootsie. Keep dreaming.

They are also ramping up their production end, so I expect them to be the king of online adult in 12 months. Simply no one will be able to compete, or outspend them.

So get a hanky.
:2 cents:
1) I'm not your tootsie and I don't need a hanky.

2) I never said it had a snowball's chance in Hell of happening, just that it was the only way Brazzers would become motivated to make any changes.

3) We now return you to your regularly scheduled piss-fest.

Nismo 08-12-2009 04:12 PM
Yet another reason to stay away from brazzers.

Horny Alf 08-12-2009 04:22 PM
So why is it that Brazzers steals from everyone and gets away with it and nobody steals from Brazzers??

NY Jester 08-12-2009 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 16176388)
AHhh its a Boxxy nation :upsidedow

DavieVegas 08-12-2009 04:34 PM
Ya, id dedicate myself to doing the same they are doing to everyone else and just hide everything from servers,content,offices, out of the country like they do..Bank accounts etc.

brassmonkey 08-12-2009 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ProG (Post 16176203)
Lots of the whales are still pushing Brazzers. It's all about the ends not the means. No one really cares what they do (or did) until the checks stop coming.
:2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 08-12-2009 05:55 PM
Always late for the good stuff...

gideongallery 08-12-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16176585)
I was just poking fun at the irony of someones image being used without their permission in a thread about someone ELSE using someones image without their permission, I wasnt that serious about the accusation. However I am fairly certain Boxxy does not approve of images being made from her personal videos...

:winkwink:
and i am just pointing out the legitimacy of the use of the content without permission from creator/owner.

Which is the exact counter point to the bogus arguement made by mutt.

SmokenCess 08-12-2009 06:15 PM
all the photos are from public access. You guys don't know how the internet works.

fhbang 08-12-2009 06:19 PM
no great surprise

Jim_Gunn 08-12-2009 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16177211)
and i am just pointing out the legitimacy of the use of the content without permission from creator/owner.

Which is the exact counter point to the bogus arguement made by mutt.
Gideon, your points are bogus as usual. I defy you to point out a single instance of legitimate fair use of any piece of adult media. I don't mean a hypothetical case, I am talking about a real instance you can point to online somewhere. It simply doesn't happen. Anyone and everyone using adult photo or video content without permission from the owner is simply avoiding to pay for it and/or helping others to do so for entertainment, status or profit. I can understand the many legitimate cases of fair usage in the mainstream for parody or news reporting or creative derivative works comprised of prior works and other cases. But those are never the case in the adult world.

gideongallery 08-12-2009 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16177329)
Gideon, your points are bogus as usual. I defy you to point out a single instance of legitimate fair use of any piece of adult media. I don't mean a hypothetical case, I am talking about a real instance you can point to online somewhere. It simply doesn't happen. Anyone and everyone using adult photo or video content without permission from the owner is simply avoiding to pay for it and/or helping others to do so for entertainment, status or profit. I can understand the many legitimate cases of fair usage in the mainstream for parody or news reporting or creative derivative works comprised of prior works and other cases. But those are never the case in the adult world.
so let me get this straight you expect to walk into a court of law and say
your honor i know you guys have already ruled that content producers don't have a right to licience away "timeshifting" by claiming that they only licience it on "a specific day at a specific time" but you should let us do it because we produce porn.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it amazing how you keep pointing to mainstream victories by the riaa and talking about precedent they set and don't see how all those case set precedents against you also.

if you want an example of such an extention in porn
mrskin.com

btw that is an amazing far reaching one because not only does he cover his actions by commentary but he actually charges for accessing the "unauthorized use" or more accurately fair use authorized use.

stever 08-12-2009 09:16 PM
is this thread from today?
stealing images for paysites is so 1996

the devolution continues...

burntfilm 08-12-2009 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 16174598)
I am sure their designer or who ever collected the pictures for the site doesn't know who this Raven Rily is, I am sure they will remove it if you just DMCA them.
Unless they fucking somehow think that they somehow TOOK THE GODDAMN PICTURES THEMSELVES then there's no way they can think that they have the right to sell them.
Oh, whatever "just put in a DMCA with them" is such a fucking piece of shit cop out.
:2 cents:

Jim_Gunn 08-12-2009 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16177615)
so let me get this straight you expect to walk into a court of law and say
your honor i know you guys have already ruled that content producers don't have a right to licience away "timeshifting" by claiming that they only licience it on "a specific day at a specific time" but you should let us do it because we produce porn.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it amazing how you keep pointing to mainstream victories by the riaa and talking about precedent they set and don't see how all those case set precedents against you also.

if you want an example of such an extention in porn
mrskin.com

btw that is an amazing far reaching one because not only does he cover his actions by commentary but he actually charges for accessing the "unauthorized use" or more accurately fair use authorized use.
Mr. Skin isn't a porn site nor has porn content. The whole first part of your argument made no sense at all. I was asking about fair use in adult and you haven't come up with an example yet. Your agenda is like one of those religious nuts that starts with a weird conclusion like the earth is 4,000 years old and then works backwards to find "facts" or some twisted logic to reinforce their silly pre-determined conclusion. What's your interest in all of this anyway? Do you just want to see everything given away for free? Like I said before, there isn't a single case of fair use going on in the adult world. It's just a bunch of cheapskates and scofflaws who are taking advantage.

Horny Alf 08-12-2009 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Horny Alf (Post 16176679)
So why is it that Brazzers steals from everyone and gets away with it and nobody steals from Brazzers??
Nobody has an answer?

will76 08-13-2009 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 16174658)
If they are a multi million dollar company I am sure they have tons of employees working for them, probably many outsourced in thirld world countries. Do you really think each of these employees knows who Raven Riley is? The purpose of an ex girlfriend site is to collect user submitted pictures from forums etc. not to have it produced professionally. If someone uploads a Reven Riley picture on a forum and pretends it's his girlfriend, it can end up on these sites easily.

http://www.smashedgirls.com/tour/
welcome to the interwebs.... where us grown ups actually buy/own the content we display on our comercial porn sites. We also have 2257 docs on nude content.... gasp!

true user submitted content is a different story, such as if you owned a dating site and the REAL user submitted an image of themselves. But to search the internet to steal content is fucking retarded for any company to do muchless one making lots of money.

There is such a thing as buying "amateur" looking content. Not all bought content is porn movie looking.

Dirty Dane 08-13-2009 12:25 AM
:Oh crap:Oh crap Most of those girls look like 25-30 though..

DonovanTrent 08-13-2009 12:37 AM
gideongallery obviously has no understanding whatsoever of copyright law and the limits of fair use. No point in arguing with him, Jim_Gunn, it is a waste of your valuable breath.

Mutt 08-13-2009 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 16178109)
:Oh crap:Oh crap Most of those girls look like 25-30 though..
i agree that it looks like they stayed away from the real young looking girls and went with college coed types but i will guarantee you that at least a few of those girls are under 18, they have no way of knowing any of these girls real ages. I can show you lots of girls on OMP and ModelMayhem who are 16 and look the same as many of the girls on this tour.

NaughtyRob 08-13-2009 01:24 AM
They will do what they want until someone stops buying it which is never.

Dirty Dane 08-13-2009 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16178198)
i agree that it looks like they stayed away from the real young looking girls and went with college coed types but i will guarantee you that at least a few of those girls are under 18, they have no way of knowing any of these girls real ages. I can show you lots of girls on OMP and ModelMayhem who are 16 and look the same as many of the girls on this tour.
And even if they were under 18, there still have to be something explicite, to consider it illegal. In context it is wrong, but not illegal.

Half man, Half Amazing 08-13-2009 06:55 AM
I'm loving what Brazzers is doing. Rape sites, questionable-age girls, copyright infringement and all the while making millions.

That's exactly the kind of thing that governments love to prosecute. Brazzers should sign Max Hardcore and Rob Black to directing gigs when they get outta the joint.

Hey "Man" and "Sef", do they have foosball tables in Canadian prisons?

Half man, Half Amazing 08-13-2009 06:57 AM
I'm loving what Brazzers is doing. Rape sites, questionable-age girls, copyright infringement and all the while making millions.

That's exactly the kind of thing that governments love to prosecute. Brazzers should sign Max Hardcore and Rob Black to directing gigs when they get outta the joint.

Hey "Man" and "Sef", do they have foosball tables in Canadian prisons?

gideongallery 08-13-2009 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16177847)
Mr. Skin isn't a porn site nor has porn content. The whole first part of your argument made no sense at all. I was asking about fair use in adult and you haven't come up with an example yet. Your agenda is like one of those religious nuts that starts with a weird conclusion like the earth is 4,000 years old and then works backwards to find "facts" or some twisted logic to reinforce their silly pre-determined conclusion. What's your interest in all of this anyway? Do you just want to see everything given away for free? Like I said before, there isn't a single case of fair use going on in the adult world. It's just a bunch of cheapskates and scofflaws who are taking advantage.
every single time a porn tube wins a case based on the safe harbor provision that is an example of fair use going on.

safe harbor is and will always be designed to protect fair use.



case after case shows that fair use has a right to exist for porn
your arguement is the one that makes no sense, if the government could claim that laws don't have to exist equally don't you think they would put an exemption in free speach to criminalize porn.

nothing in the fair use statute in the copyright act says anything about not applying to porn.

There is no restriction that says porn is entitled to special right.

read the copyright act again, only a moron would claim that porn doesn't have to respect establish fair use rulings.

if anything that moronic arguement would be laughed out of court BECAUSE you produce porn.

gideongallery 08-13-2009 07:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 16177847)
Mr. Skin isn't a porn site nor has porn content. The whole first part of your argument made no sense at all. I was asking about fair use in adult and you haven't come up with an example yet. Your agenda is like one of those religious nuts that starts with a weird conclusion like the earth is 4,000 years old and then works backwards to find "facts" or some twisted logic to reinforce their silly pre-determined conclusion. What's your interest in all of this anyway? Do you just want to see everything given away for free? Like I said before, there isn't a single case of fair use going on in the adult world. It's just a bunch of cheapskates and scofflaws who are taking advantage.
oh and mrskin example is exactly on point with this issue.
Mutt is complaining that brazzers took a single image from a video and presents it in their advertising material without the permission of the creator


mr skin not only takes a clip of the nudity and SELLS access to it without the permission of the creator. He puts those images in banners as well.

your insanely stupid arguement is that mr skin is not porn so his actions are ok, but brazzers actions are porn so the fair use protection doesn't apply anymore.

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spazlabz 08-13-2009 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 16174559)
I've never made much money in adult. It's been more of a side business for me, to supplement my mainstream work. It would be nice if I could make more money from this industry, but as it is riddled by so many scumbags who cannot work together, it is unlikely things will be getting much better in the near future.

On the other hand, if adult WAS my main business, and I WAS a big player in this industry, I couldn't imagine allowing the thieves and fuckers who are stealing content and giving away all of what I had been PAYING for, WORKING for, and RISKING so much for, to be allowed to get away with it!

Can you imagine spending millions in content, and then find out someone else is taking that content and using it to make the profits that YOU funded, and that YOU worked hard for, and that YOU risked so much for?

I really just don't get it! If someone steals a few hundred dollars from me, oh well... but if someone stole MILLIONS from me, in the form of blatent theft and shady bullshit, heads would fucking roll!

It is clear that there are no real tough guys in adult, just an endless supply of self-destructive idiots!

</end rant>
Heads would roll ok. profitable companies have a lot to lose. So while the thought of taking a sledgehammer to someone may seem intensely satisfying it does not solve anything. As for

"no real tough guys in adult, just an endless supply of self-destructive idiots!"

You're not serious are you? Just what is a tough guy supposed to do? I can't help anyone make money behind bars and illegal tube site owners are PROTECTED under the DCMA as retarded as that is


spaz

RadicalSights 08-13-2009 07:51 AM
I've done work for Brazzers in the past. Does that make me bad? :pimp

crockett 08-13-2009 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 16174598)
I am sure their designer or who ever collected the pictures for the site doesn't know who this Raven Rily is, I am sure they will remove it if you just DMCA them.
That's not exactlly the point now is it? They are stealing content on their tubes sites, now they steal content for a ex GF site. I still don't understand how other affiliate programs can't sue the living fuck out of them for unfair business practices.

One should be able to argue that Brazzers is trying to hurt their competition's websites by stealing their competitors content in a attempt to dilute it's value by giving it away for free on the illegal tubes they run.

gideongallery 08-13-2009 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 16179024)
That's not exactlly the point now is it? They are stealing content on their tubes sites, now they steal content for a ex GF site. I still don't understand how other affiliate programs can't sue the living fuck out of them for unfair business practices.

One should be able to argue that Brazzers is trying to hurt their competition's websites by stealing their competitors content in a attempt to dilute it's value by giving it away for free on the illegal tubes they run.
three words
safe harbor provision.

crockett 08-13-2009 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16179090)
three words
safe harbor provision.
Those tube sites didn't start empty.. that means the owners uploaded videos to get them started.. Even "IF" by any chance that it's 100% user uploaded today. However we all know it's not 100% user uploads but of course arguing with you about theft is like talking to a brick wall. With the exception that the brick wall would be more interesting.


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