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HunkyLuke 08-15-2009 09:02 AM

I can second that, Paul is actually an employee and not an alias of Lee!!!

HunkyLuke 08-15-2009 09:11 AM

oh by the way, i have no problems complying with the new rules (I just logged in and entered my info)...after all it, epass complying with aml rules makes it safer for all of us!

cherrylula 08-15-2009 09:26 AM

employees gone wild :1orglaugh

Machete_ 08-15-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 16188504)
employees gone wild :1orglaugh

ROGUE employees

Webmaster Advertising 08-15-2009 09:55 AM

I have not gone wild and im not a rogue emplyee either thank you very much haha

This is a perfect example of what happens when people jump to conclusions, Michael made an ass of himself thinking i was someone i was not, no harm, no foul maybe next time he thinks he is being clever he will stop to think about if he actually is being or not :2 cents:

Still does not change the fact that i did not want my real name being associated with online porn and sent them a photoshopped id with my porn name on it and they accepted it.

fuzebox 08-15-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising (Post 16182512)
Because its much harder to steal someones identity using a passport than it is a drivers license, credit card statement, phone bill, etc, etc...

Quite the opposite for me.

Bec 08-15-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HunkyLuke (Post 16188437)
I can second that, Paul is actually an employee and not an alias of Lee!!!


I can third that ... Paul does indeed work FOR Lee, and it is Paul who is posting.

Webmaster Advertising 08-15-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16187371)
lol

Does O stand for Owned?

Looks like he has been for jumping to conclusions haha

Furious_Male 08-15-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 16183274)
As soon you do a certain volume (total) with Paypal they ask for A LOT more information...while locking your account and funds there of course :winkwink:

Do you know roughly what that figure is? I have been using Paypal on a near daily basis since 2000 without an issue.

nikki99 08-15-2009 02:52 PM

yes I had to put my ID number

NOTR 08-15-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising (Post 16189272)
Looks like he has been for jumping to conclusions haha

Won't be too hard to find your account, I would quite while a head. All he needs to do is look at transactions from your "boss" made out to "you", I am sure there are monthly amounts to a certain account consistently.

D Ghost 08-16-2009 12:15 PM

I love these banks, etc checking up on people all in the name if "anti-money laundering" it's all bullshit...

D Ghost 08-16-2009 12:19 PM

anti-money laundering is just another way of saying "making sure that everyone pays their unconstitutional, overreaching, and anti-liberty taxes"

lol

borked 08-16-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male (Post 16189406)
Do you know roughly what that figure is? I have been using Paypal on a near daily basis since 2000 without an issue.


It's ?2.5-3k movement per year (for me) and they don't ask for a lot -just faxed copies of IDs, giving a list of 5 valid IDs (all have to show your address). I sent them the required with identifying numbers (bank account/passport ID) blacked out with no problem whatsoever.

So this "re-submit your ID number electronically is IMO total bullshit and more importantly totally illegal in Europe.

The fact this company is not European should ring many alarm bells with Europeans, because we have strict data protection laws for a very good reason....ePassport does not have to abide with these laws at all, yet have publicly stated in this thread they are following certain European laws, but not others....

harvey 08-16-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16188134)
Those of us doing daily adult business cannot simply use Paypal for everything, epass allows those of us dealing with daily adult industry business transactions to do so without risk of having the account closed simply because the nature of our biz is "adult."

I understand that. As you might be aware, I was working in adult for at least the last couple months :winkwink:. I'm just stating an objective fact: Paypal works well. Epass doesn't. It's an undeniable fact. The sole fact that the whole company has only 1 (one) person that knows his job, and to who we all need to run for help every single time EP fucks something (which is a per-week basis) demonstrates this fact without a shadow of a doubt.

Then again, they ask for massive amounts of personal information like every month (as if they don't already have it), information that a serious company doesn't require. Makes you go "huh?".

Anyway, I submitted my info without a problem, I did it 1 hundred times already so it's just another day at EP world, no harm done, I'm just pointing OBJECTIVE FACTS that no one (not even Michael O) could ever ever ever answer.

And sorry Michael, but about your statement saying "only people in US will see the info"... is that supposed to be a guarantee? Like... "hey, I've an US passport hence I'm the most honest people in the world" ? AFAIK, more than 50% of the scammers I know are from US (just take a look in this site and you'll see) and every single problem I had with EP led me to people who spoke even worse English than me (and that's saying something). To the very least, 99.99% of US companies seems to have "rogue employees" :winkwink: at some time or another, so why should we be cool with providing info we already submitted SEVERAL TIMES and you're not even aware of? What happened with what we already submitted? A "rogue employee" lost/stole/burnt/packed a sandwich with it? A tornado over Netherlands Antilles blew it off? You have so extreme security measures about info you don't even know what you have? As you can see, reasonable questions for non-reasonable behaviors

Again Michael, not trying to attack you or anything, as I told you many times you're one of the few reasons EPass still exists as a business and I truly appreciate all what you have did for me. I just can't understand why EP acts the way they do, and sincerely, I hope the money is really good for you, because I really don't understand how you take all the heat you take due to the incompetence of your fellow workers :( I worked several years in banks and CC business, and if I or any of us did just one of the things EP employees does every single day, we'd be fired in question of seconds, believe me

charlie3273 08-16-2009 01:40 PM

Geez it is not that bad just punched in my drivers lic. and boom done:thumbsup And who cares who knows what if someone trys to take over my identity they would find themselves even more fucked than they are now. LOL I got shitty credit and all kinda misc bullshit if you want to be me I say go for it.:1orglaugh

x-rate 08-16-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael O (Post 16187342)
About the documents:
Smokey I have told you on ICQ after you raised the question the last time that all documents can only be viewed by trusted staff located in the US.

So you are saying that if there's an audit by VISA EU they will deal with US people and not epass europe staff? LOL that's a good one...

Tickler 08-16-2009 02:17 PM

Click-click on the form. Fine & Dandy you got some info.

Now Micheal for the questions. :Oh crap
1) EU(or USA laws) laws don't apply to Canadians so WTF are you bugging me for?
2) You are aware(I hope) that the fines for breaking Canadian Privacy laws are around $100k per instance?

Machete_ 08-16-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickler (Post 16192239)
Click-click on the form. Fine & Dandy you got some info.

Now Micheal for the questions. :Oh crap
1) EU(or USA laws) laws don't apply to Canadians so WTF are you bugging me for?
2) You are aware(I hope) that the fines for breaking Canadian Privacy laws are around $100k per instance?

Good luck getting money from a US company for breaking Canadian laws in the US :thumbsup

J. Falcon 08-16-2009 02:35 PM

For everyone here who says they prefer paypal.... doesn't paypal prohibit the use of their service for adult transactions?

Nicky 08-16-2009 02:35 PM

I entered in the number from my drivers license that I faxed them a copy of earlier, I have nothing to hide.

x-rate 08-16-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickler (Post 16192239)
Click-click on the form. Fine & Dandy you got some info.

Now Micheal for the questions. :Oh crap
1) EU(or USA laws) laws don't apply to Canadians so WTF are you bugging me for?
2) You are aware(I hope) that the fines for breaking Canadian Privacy laws are around $100k per instance?

Another problem with epass is that we dont know which law apply... One of my friend had a business account with them in the past and to load his business account he had to send a wire in curacao if I clearly remember. At the back of his epass card it was saying that the card was from a bank in st-kitts and now they claim it's about EU regulation so go figure where's the money really.

Hey Michael If I sue someone and have a judgment against them and want seize the money in the epass account of someone under which law I need to go claim my money? US, St-Kitts, Curacao, EU?

SmokeyTheBear 08-17-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisH (Post 16192251)
Good luck getting money from a US company for breaking Canadian laws in the US :thumbsup

happens all the time..

georgeyw 08-17-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by borked (Post 16192140)
It's ?2.5-3k movement per year (for me) and they don't ask for a lot -just faxed copies of IDs, giving a list of 5 valid IDs (all have to show your address). I sent them the required with identifying numbers (bank account/passport ID) blacked out with no problem whatsoever.

Have put alot more than that through paypal and they have never ever asked for any form of personal ID whatsoever.

Zester 08-17-2009 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 16181080)

Did you all see that, in addition to ID and a copy of the card, they want a copy of your bank statement or credit card statement before they will let you withdraw your funds?

i dont think that's required for affiliates for withdrawing

Machete_ 08-17-2009 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 16193648)
happens all the time..

I have yet to see any Foreign Individual's get money from such a lawsuit

Darkhorse 08-17-2009 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 16192291)
I entered in the number from my drivers license that I faxed them a copy of earlier, I have nothing to hide.

Did the same took two secs and was easy....

Rui 08-17-2009 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by harvey (Post 16187137)
on a side note: Paypal works great. Epass doesn't. Yet Paypal (nor any other similar service that I know of) doesn't ask for any of the damn info Epass does, and the excuse is "US government asks for it" and they are in... Netherlands Antilles!!!

Thats bullshit mate, since if you reach a certain volume (think it depends where you are based) you are asked for a lot more than a copy of your drivers license, surprised to see somebody that has been around for so long say something like this.. *sign*

Rui 08-17-2009 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male (Post 16189406)
Do you know roughly what that figure is? I have been using Paypal on a near daily basis since 2000 without an issue.

Migth wanna ask them since I use the European Paypal Luxembourg division (and thats when the whole - "you reached blabla we need craploads of info on you" thing started)

If you have been using them on a daily basis I'm pretty sure you already surpassed the value when they locked my account and asked for almost everything except a sperm and blood sample :1orglaugh

Machete_ 08-17-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 16194044)
Migth wanna ask them since I use the European Paypal Luxembourg division (and thats when the whole - "you reached blabla we need craploads of info on you" thing started)

If you have been using them on a daily basis I'm pretty sure you already surpassed the value when they locked my account and asked for almost everything except a sperm and blood sample :1orglaugh

for the US, the law is anything above $3000 as a individual. But most do it before anyway

Naja-ram 08-17-2009 05:15 AM

Michael , will you and how will you verify the given ID's for foreign webmasters ?

Fletch XXX 08-17-2009 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse (Post 16194028)
Did the same took two secs and was easy....

thats why i said it takes ore time to come in here and bitch about it than to "handle business" LOL

it takes seconds to comply. :thumbsup

cykoe6 08-17-2009 06:18 AM

Personally I think it is great that Epassporte is trying to weed out the scammers and tax evaders. That makes it a better tool for the rest of us who use it for legitimate purposes.

MasterBlow 08-17-2009 06:36 AM

Never had a problem with epassporte

SmokeyTheBear 08-17-2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 16194393)
Personally I think it is great that Epassporte is trying to weed out the scammers and tax evaders. That makes it a better tool for the rest of us who use it for legitimate purposes.

so you would have no problems giving a hotdog vendor copies of all your id and ss#'s ? probably not , but what if i told you the hotdog vendor was fighting scammers and tax evaders, so its all legit..:thumbsup

SmokeyTheBear 08-17-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterBlow (Post 16194441)
Never had a problem with epassporte

Do you know what the farmer said when his cow died.. "first time she has done that before"

J. Falcon 08-17-2009 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 16195010)
so you would have no problems giving a hotdog vendor copies of all your id and ss#'s ? probably not , but what if i told you the hotdog vendor was fighting scammers and tax evaders, so its all legit..:thumbsup


Great analogy there :error

Comparing hot dog vendors to a visa card that lets you do business with almost anyone in adult and lets you take out money from any atm in the word.

cykoe6 08-17-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 16195010)
so you would have no problems giving a hotdog vendor copies of all your id and ss#'s ? probably not , but what if i told you the hotdog vendor was fighting scammers and tax evaders, so its all legit..:thumbsup

That is complete nonsense. Epassporte is not a hot dog vendor. They are essentially an online bank account (I am not aware of any bank which opens an account without ID). The main reason people do not want to provide identification is that many are involved in tax evasion or fraud. I don't care what other people do but the people who use Epassporte for tax evasion and fraud reflect negatively on those of us who use it for a legitimate purpose.

In a free market I respect the right of Epassporte to try and run their business in a way that protects their legitimate law abiding customers. I also understand that if people don't like the policy they can use another service. :2 cents:

harvey 08-17-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 16194034)
Thats bullshit mate, since if you reach a certain volume (think it depends where you are based) you are asked for a lot more than a copy of your drivers license, surprised to see somebody that has been around for so long say something like this.. *sign*

so you know better than me what I was asked? AFAIK I never sent even a driver's license or ID. Just an initial deposit with my MC (5 dollars or something like that) and that's it. AFAIK that's ALL what I was asked in the last 10 years or so by Paypal, happily you're keeping track of everything I missed on my side :thumbsup

btw, could you tell me the numbers of the lotto for next month? I could use some of your mighty mental powers! :thumbsup

Rui 08-17-2009 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 16196675)
so you know better than me what I was asked? AFAIK I never sent even a driver's license or ID. Just an initial deposit with my MC (5 dollars or something like that) and that's it. AFAIK that's ALL what I was asked in the last 10 years or so by Paypal, happily you're keeping track of everything I missed on my side :thumbsup

btw, could you tell me the numbers of the lotto for next month? I could use some of your mighty mental powers! :thumbsup

The problem is that you assume you = the rest of the world, specially places under other laws, but whatever.. And by stating what you did makes you look a bit on the clueless side of things you know?

Anyway good luck with the attitude! (no point in wasting time replying to such a high authority!). :thumbsup


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