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FTC is a private organization controlled by the government partial funded by fines they issue. (correct me if I'm wrong please) The FTC was not aware of any issues as the % of bad business is so absolutely tiny, now someone told them "it's a huge problem" because there is 5-6 people out of 1000s doing some shady business, obviously they did not name any names so this mean that it is likely that the investigations will just hit "the biggest players" that may be all legit, FTC doesn't see your volumes, they see only the complaints, someone with 0.1% complain ratio may appear worse than someone with a 5% complain ratio and shady business plan, simply because they do 100 or 1000 times more business. I think recently we saw soulcash fight the FTC and win, but went out of business because of the costs etc involved with fighting a commission based regulator :2 cents: I'm not against a regulated market at all, just against regulators trying to regulate based on results rather than common sense and the law, but if you want the same budgets for the next 4 years, you gotta show some results :winkwink: |
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Heres what i will say, Nothing like Karma, etc.. the greedy people always win..
I know lots of guys who are rich, and i only found out they are rich because they fucked consumer over one way or another... Do this, name 30 TOP rich guys in this biz..How many of them are not shady, meaning no cross sales, hidden joins, spam, etc, u can probably count on one hand. I found out from my experience that the more shady/blackhat you are willing to go, the more money you'll make.. this is how life works.. You could have a nice site you promote yourself, and lets say you get 50 joins/day @ $30, thats $1,500, but all of a sudden you can add $100 in extra crossale, and lets say 20% fall for it, you just doubled your income therotetically.. I noticed morality goes out the window after $1,000/day, meaning if you tell someone listen, i can show you a way to make $2,000 a DAY, but its immoral, Legal yes, but very shady, 99% of people would do it.. If i started a new thread and said hey guys, theres a new way to make money, ull make $2,000 a day, its legal but its very shady and you will be fucking over the consumer 100%, heck even ripping them off, but its legal and no jail... lol.. pretty much everyone here will be like share the method.. i wanna do it, etc.lol As they say, the only thing stopping people from robbing banks is jail time :) |
If you think about it and have been in this business for 10+ years, so many companies, even big ones,have come and gone.
Credit is due for the sites and companies that have been here since the get go. Sometimes I think this industry glamorizes the"Live fast, die young" ideology. Crazy Personally I feel everything will work out for those that love what they do and do what they love. There will be no more grand slams unless it involves some sort of someone getting fucked over. So if you lay down with dogs, expect to wake up with fleas. |
if i had 500k+ i would leave for Goa, but im forced to take this:
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I thought you gave up on GFY Steve?
Wasn't your business built off spam anyways? Get off your high horse man. Nothing worse than a newbie dinosaur is this biz rubbing salt in people's wounds. |
Fuck I am livid now.
Who died and crowned you King of Morality?! Exploiting teenagers while still in highschool and you're mad at a tube site that sends you front door signups, or xsales...wtf?! |
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oh and let's just say for argument's sake that teenagers still in high school are being exploited ok? THEN TELL ME WHY EVERY FUCKING TEEN SOLO GIRL SITE WEBMASTER INCLUDING ME HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH YOUR FUCKING EMPLOYEES FOR MONTHS BEGGING AND BEGGING FOR GUERILLA CASH CCBILL X-SALES? OH I SEE THE ONLY THING YOU'RE BITTER ABOUT IS THAT YOU AREN'T MAKING ANY MONEY OFF THE EXPLOITATION ........ http://www.bratcash.com/gfy/icq_bored.gif |
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We are trying to drum up business. Simple. I am not posting on GFY how I am this poster boy for business morality or telling people how to run their business, that's all.
Xsales are a part of this business whether you like them or not. I am leaving for the day...so bash away I won't read it. |
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The whole industry has gone too shit. Get used to the smell, because it's going to be this way for a while. Maybe indefinitely.
The big players can not compete legitimately with other tube sites, by building their own tube sites, because in order to be competitive, they have to steal content as well. Unless laws change that prevent "illegal tube sites" from operating, less and less surfers will continue to pay for porn. There is still money to be made, but no matter what, the industry as a whole is in decline. |
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Those who play dirty will succeed in winning themselves an irrefutable edge, however those who refrain from operating outside the law stand do not run the roulette gamut of punitive reactions. Therefore those who do operate outside the laws stand a greater chance of a total collapse of all their efforts, short term gains can quickly be wiped out completely by the long term onsequences of their actions. Those who operate within the societally acceptable parameters stand no chance of such a collapse. However, those who operate at a high enough strata of society are in the unique position of making the very laws that they are trying to subvert, thusly giving them a degree of immunity from their own moral hazards. |
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Money is tighter now, surfers are smarter, and the industry is more "Dog eat Dog" than ever... right
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Totally disagree with Steve on this
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It's not just a matter of somehow destroying tubes and filesharing sites. Even more monumental a task is dealing with the mentality of the majority of world citizens who think that porn is and should continue to be free. Even if somehow the top illegal tube sites were sued out of existence, some new ones would take their place.
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That's good. Let the debate begin. Nothing will ever improve in the industry if we don't face our collective issues, right? |
The greater the potential reward, the more people will risk to get it. Just look at Bernie Madoff. You could say karma caught up with him. But how many years did he live the high life? To say karma will eventually bring down the wicked is overly optimistic, I think.
There's a ton of immorality in business, not just in porn business. The key is to be good little Buddhists, I guess, and follow your own heart and keep your conscience clean so you can sleep at night in peace. Will that make you the most money? Probably not. But some peope say there's more to life than wealth... |
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traffic guys would think that corrupting the traffic pool with xsales/cross sales would worst thing you could do content guys think tube sites and "Stolen content" is the worst you could do. things like pretending the girl is active when she is no longer with the site like pre checking cross sales has been done by all the long term active (including lightspeed cash) that steve has the gaul to call honest Quote:
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You are right, companies like AFF / Cams, Brazzers, YouPorn, SexSearch, just to name a few are the ones that did the honest approach and prospered because they stayed away from spyware, supporting sites that had stolen content, etc. :upsidedow:warning |
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Huge difference. I think most responable people can draw the line between good business and bad business. Usually it involved theft of some compacity, whether its from shaving sales, to profiting off of stolen content, stolen traffic / sales, to stealing money off of customer's credit cards... :2 cents: |
shooting 18 to 20 year old girls is immoral :1orglaugh
and shooting 21 year olds is somehow not, like there's this magical date of maturity when it becomes a wise informed choice on their part industry filled with outright morons and bigger hypocrites than a born again TV evangelist caught in a hotel room with prostitutes |
the point is nature doesn't have a moral compass and take a karmic shit on whoever doesn't follow it.
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the porn industry really needs an ethics panel.
it could consist of spammers, pimps, prostitutes and organized crime. |
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