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POed-poster - 25,000 USD
F-U-Jimmy - 80,000 USD
will76 - 35,000 USD
tombarr - 35,000 USD
FreeOnes - 27,000 USD
Extremehole - 12,000 USD
Aftershockmedia - 76,000 USD
quiet - 255,000 USD
debsdeepthroat 15,000 USD

-=- 525,000 USD -> iBill scam count over Half Million Dollars -=-

So in 2002 you sold iBill? Is that what you are saying?


Which time? The Web900/Esquire debacle was prior to the sale of iBill in 2002, no?

Would be interesting to know the real names of the people who own the company now, I'm sure we can match up the timeline with the events leading up to just who wasn't paid for what at which point.

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and that's just a drop in the ocean

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Just as I suspected.. :(

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Nobody from iBill in here but the crickets, I take it?

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very nice ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Yes, I am here. How can i help you Kimmykim?

I think you guys should have had a nice press release written naming the owners that scammed everyone then introduce the new names and also add in the press release that you have changed the name of the company.

That would have cleared things up if the owners really changed.

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CyberAge-Dave

Go to the AVN website and search iBill, you will see a story they did a few months back

Thanks,

Jonas

They are dead they just don't know it :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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POed-poster - 25,000 USD
F-U-Jimmy - 80,000 USD
will76 - 35,000 USD
tombarr - 35,000 USD
FreeOnes - 27,000 USD
Extremehole - 12,000 USD
Aftershockmedia - 76,000 USD
quiet - 255,000 USD
debsdeepthroat 15,000 USD

-=- 525,000 USD -> iBill scam count over Half Million Dollars -=-

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From AVN.com

iBill Name Returns as New Company


Colorado payment processor has nothing to do with scorned old firm


Posted Jul 9th 2009 12:14PM by Edward Duncan
AURORA, Colo.?The name is old, but the owner is new and says it has nothing to do with a company accused of bilking adult webmasters for millions. Yes, iBill has returned.

The new Colorado-based third-party processor is well aware of the stigma that goes with that name for many in the adult industry, as the original iBill in Deerfield, Fla., went belly up three years ago, leaving many clients unpaid and various legal claims also hanging.

There were also claims that two lists containing personal information from more than 18 million former iBill clients had disappeared, but at the time both the company and the Federal Bureau of Investigation offered assurance there were no problems.

The new iBill has little to do with its prior incarnation, according to Jonas C. Brown, executive vice president of security. Brown worked for iBill in the early part of this decade, as did a few others now with the new company. He left the processing operation in 2002.

"This was before it was sold, and by the time I had left I wasn't too pleased with how the new owners wanted to go with it," he told AVN.com. "We had worked so hard to build up the company only see it torn down."

So why go with a name loathed by many in the adult industry?

"Somebody asked, 'Why not start a company with a new name?' I think there so much value still in that name," Brown said. "Yes, iBill screwed over some people, but that was the people who ran the company then, not the company itself. I know there are still issues out there."

Brown is adamant that they are totally different companies.

"You can check the ownerships and see exactly where the trail ended with the old iBill," he said.

iBill relaunched late last year for mainstream website third-party payment processing and re-entered adult several months ago. The news has been met with much bashing on message boards as well as plenty of angry emails. Brown told AVN.com that was expected.

"When people first found out, we got a lot of hate mail and that's died down," he said. "Now we're getting more emails asking, 'Is this deal you're offering true?' and 'What's the turnaround time for this?' Lots of questions, lots of inquiries."

One of the things the new iBill has maintained are the previous company's extensive back links.

"That's something a brand-new company can't get and it's done wonders to help us, especially for non-adult processing," Brown said. "I, personally, never had to answer questions from non-adult companies about the old iBill. They've never seen that. They're looking for third-party processing, and that's helped us get going.

Since venturing back into adult, the company has made some new signings with clients that don't have a tainted history with the old iBill.

"Those commenting on the message boards, the people that've been burned, we don't plan on getting them back," Brown said. "There's no signing them up like we did back in early 2000s; people already have sites, already are processing with somebody. But the people just getting sites started, those are the people we're signing up."

Meanwhile, Brown knows some of the hate salvos will keep coming and the new iBill will just press on.

"We'll take the good with the bad," he told AVN.com. "Even though we explain it's a case of different owners, some still have their issues, which is completely understandable. But we're getting over that."

"We're not going to get old, seasoned porn people, but there are always new, up-and-coming people," Brown said. "And that's who we're signing up."

For more about the checkered past of the former iBill, please see the AVN.com news archives.

Now even the newbies know what a fuckup IBILL is :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Web 900 anybody :321GFY:321GFY

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Why did you guys decide to keep the same name? If there were new owners, don't you think a new name would have been a better approach.

Just my thoughts.
In this biz, once you get that black eye, you are jinxed for life. New owners or not.

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you still didn't answer a question we keep asking:
if the owners are new and have nothing to do with the "old iBill", why on earth did you keep the name iBill that is blacklisted by so many webmasters?
couldn't you just use a different name ? it just doesn't make any business sense.
or do you still don't understand what the name iBill means to people here?

I'm waiting respectively to hear your reply

That says it all really. The majority of 'old, seasoned porn people' would not let themselves be scammed by iBill again. Pretty easy to scam the 'up-and'coming' people though isn't it? How long before they steal money again? 6 months? 12 months? 2 years? About the only thing you can be pretty sure about is it will happen.

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Ok, I'll call it even if you give me a copy of the list.

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Jesus this thread still going, good stuff.

Im guessing none of the brilliant people relaunching this name ever typed (ibill) into google LMAO

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Happy Black Friday. :winkwink:

After reading the AVN article all I could say was wow and I thought I was good at writing and marketing.

Who ever thought keeping a name that is widely hated was a good idea needs to be shot... it be like me opening a restaurant and serving a unique cheeseburger plate and calling it the E-Coli Special!!

Perhaps if I-Bill were to actually show the management / owners / staff were different and not the deceivers from before it would help a bit. I heard the same stories and "trust me" posts from years back only to find it what everyone was accusing them of.

Obviously the reinvented I-Bill refuses to believe the jury is out and never left or the level of distrust that has occurred and they already have stood strong as before to their story hoping that people will believe what they want them to believe.

Someone needs to take a seminar or two at a convention and show proof on legal paper so that we can properly vet the information for ourselves... less we fall into the old saying, "fool me once - shame on you - fool me twice - shame on me"

If they bought iBill they must have knowledge of the owners who scammed the half industry. Why don't they give them out? NAMES, etc...