What site do you have it on?

So you see a 48 minute video?

They purchased the content, aren't they allowed to use it how they want?




Is that because you think surfers know it's stolen? Stop kidding yourself..


If you're making 80 cents on the dollar, you shouldn't be in business.


Aye, we can see how is missing the big picture in this post, that's for sure.





Here we go again, another fellow that thinks surfers know it's stolen. Like the site has a big giant ass sign --> stolen content here never buy again <--






Wow, accusing someone of something without proof... ban time?




What subject?


For the record, I don't promote/consult for NA...

Marine... solid.

That is not what I said.

I said by giving away the fucking farm there is a huge loss in potential revenue.. you're high if you think otherwise


Stolen or not.. its retarded either way.

Giving away the farm for the purpose of generating sales by volume is not some clever technique that deserves props.

We went from link list to TGPs with 10 pic galleries to categorized TGPs with 15 pic galleries to MPG galleries.

Now we have tubes with hour long videos..

This escalation has caused a decrease in people willing to pay to access content.

Once everybody and his brother operates a tube site the free content give away will simply continue to escalate further and the amount of people willing to pay to access content will decrease further.

This is not some clever "evolution" its piss poor business model.. a train running into a brick wall.

Sad times when you can't sell porn on a porn site because you're giving to much away.. hence tubes sites plastered with dating and cam ads..

You don't see the problem here? Can you see the big picture now?

LOL!!! Do you even know Mark? Take it easy KillerK...can't we all just get along without those nasty F bombs?

Mr.Kenny,

With all due respect, you have a different philosophy about providing consumers with a product than we do.

Naughty America is giving people a new reason everyday to stay a member. We have new live programming, new live videos and many other new types of content that keep members happy and new members coming in the door. Our new LIVE product is really a great product that every affiliate should been promoting with our new IFRAME.

I dont know your websites or anything that you have done in relation to adult entertainment to make money and this makes it hard to really engage with you and understand how maybe Naughty America can help you make money as an affiliate (you probably dont want to work with us because of our decision to work with certain sites and that is okay.)

On another note, I would like to know if you have bought a membership to an adult site or just made money selling memberships to sites that customers were getting at an obsurd price?

I built Naughty America on helping poorly converting affiliates turning their free traffic into sales. Maybe we can help you with what you are doing today.

Its been established that you have a live product that more than likely converts tube traffic better than normal sites.

That is not my concern.

If YouPorn is one of those tubes that steal content that is a concern. I can't see doing business with an outfit that will stab my colleagues in the back and act as if its ok.. as if its just an evolution of business.

Free porn is another concern that is out of everyones control and free porn escalation is something the majority of us are guilty of. It is something that we let get out of control.

This industry would be much better off if free porn was some how banned and a credit card was required to see any obscene material.

My problem is not with the legal tube site specifically.. its with the escalation of free porn in general. Tube sites are just a gross example how this model is hurting this industry. It always was a bad business model and we somehow managed to make it worse.

Do you work for small companies :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ?

good points but your wasting your breath.

whats up andreas long time no talk

To answer the second part of your question.

I have never purchased a membership to an adult site. Sold thousands of memberships but have never purchased one.

However, I do know plenty of people who have purchased memberships and the majority of those will no longer purchase memberships for a variety of reasons. Roughly half of these people state they have been ripped off or felt cheated in some regard. The other half no longer pay because they know they can simply get it for free. Most of the people who stopped buying because of free accessibility stopped well before tube sites they stopped when the TGPs became advance and started offering top rate user interfaces.
The tube sites have merely compounded an existing problem.

Currently I am not looking to promote anything in the adult industry in its current form. I am taking a break from this industry for the first time since 2001. There are many things I can do at this juncture that are better investments of my time. The adult industry has done me well in the past and I am going to keep an eye on it and wait for a correction.

I do not think the adult industry can sustain going in the direction that its going. Free porn escalation is devaluing content to the point where its bleeding the life blood from this industry - the production of content.

This is why I feel a correction is in order. In the future I see more outfits protecting their content to a higher degree. Pay sites will end up making it where a surfer can't download/distribute, content producers will put tighter restrictions on how their material is to be used. I also see lawsuits having a place in this correction.

acknowledged and all to aware :(

You sure do assume a lot... you assume surfers notice the difference, or that they find what they want exactly, or they aren't willing to buy because of some made up reason in your head.


In relation to free porn, tubes and even piracy... tubes aren't the problem, piracy sucks don't get me wrong. But it isn't actually costing anyone, a dime.


The problem, is they don't share the traffic like the Industry once had, thus killing the global flow of "free porn traffic" that could be sold various offers increasing the chances that a sale could be made, an email could be grabbed, a bookmark could happen, and so on. I don't really see that as a problem I guess, that's how it should be, keep it all for myself!


When it comes to the evolution of our Industry I can promise you, my picture is vastly different than yours.


I see the N.A. promo as 'instant porn'.... and that's one step in one direction, of the real evolutionary chain that the entire Internet has been moving towards for years.

Current tube technology is out dated......

balls balls balls

The escalation of free porn is indeed effecting sales. I can see it in the stats, the spread sheets, the conversion ratios. This is from the same bases of traffic.

Yes, I am making a assumption that these lost sales are directly linked to the escalation of free porn. I do believe I am correct in this assumption. Whatever the reason may be I assure you sales are down across the board and its not in my head, all one has to do is check the boards.

While you may have a point regarding "not sharing traffic" has caused a drop in sales this argument in my opinion is just not as proficient as an answer as the overwhelming amount of free porn distributed across the internet over the years. At this point evidence supporting this claim should be prima facie.

As far as "instant porn" is concerned.. yes there is an emerging market. However, demand for traditional porn does and will always exist and the companies working to meet that demand will move to better protect themselves against over saturation by taking measures to prevent piracy and loss leader tactics.

As far as surfers and piracy is concerned.. by now they are so use to free porn and distributing that porn I can understand how they got to the point of having no concept of piracy and property rights.

Its nice talking to you Doc, but you can't tell me "free porn" is not effecting sales.

If all Joe Surfer needs to get off is some pictures then he doesn't have to pay.

If Joe Surfer requires a thirty minute video to get off then Joe Surfer doesn't have to pay.

We even laid it nice and categorized for Joe Surfer in a friendly web user interface, that way he can find exactly what he wants without going through much trouble.

The reality of the matter is.. most surfers do not require "instant" or "live" porn to get off.. this is how potential revenue has been lost.

Traditional porn sales aren't down because of lack of demand or because its a faded business model.. the sales are down because its readily available for free..

Is there a solution? No there is not. Does this mean we should continue to escalate? The answer is irrelevant because there will always be a webmaster who going to give away more than everyone else so they can make sales off of pure volume. There will always be someone else looking to out do the before mentioned webmaster to out do him. With each step another Joe Surfer no longer has to pay for the porn that fulfills him because its now made readily available for free.

That post was very long.

Let me sum it up like this..

conversion ratios have been dropping over the years without a doubt

using the same traffic base.. look at the ratios from 2001 and compare them to the ratios of 2009

The reason why they are in decline is not from lack of demand but because what people used to pay for is now widely available for free

Its getting so bad now that the free porn sites can no longer effectively sell porn and they are resorting to all kinds of other gimmicks dating sites, cams, live porn, etc.

They are making money with these other types of sites from pure volume alone.

The average surfer only requires a certain standard of traditional porn.. the average surfer is no longer buying because he no longer has to.

Money is being made from the vast minority alone. We have managed to effectively evaporate a major portion of our revenue streams.. lost revenue streams that collectively stems into absurd numbers.

Do you advertise to your surfers any differently today than you did in 2001?


Do you sit and wait for the surfer to click a banner, send them to a gallery of some kind, read a blog post, same old 2001 shit, and hope for a sale? It could be a tube, tgp, it makes no difference how they get the porn.. are you 'selling' them the same way?


And you think it's free porn?

Mr.Kenny,

I am really intrigued to know what sites you run. Do you work in this industry? How do you make money in this industry?

-A

Thanks for the heads up. Found a couple of our videos in just a couple of minutes. I will let Score Cash know what they are doing. :mad:

And what is the next move ? To sucks cock for sales?
Fucking lame.I`m happy i didn`t sign up with NA.

Why are you happy that you didn't sign up for Naughty America? Because we launched an awesome new type of programming or because we have are on YouPorn?

Although I completely agree that giving away the farm is no way to go, tube site traffic (which, aside from the Hun, Persian Kitty and Freeones, is our only traffic source) converts for us at about 1:200

They took my videos down when I requested it. I let Score Cash know about directbigboobs.net, so I am sure they will be none too happy about this crap :thumbsup

Score Cash doesn't care, the affiliate banners on that site are still working. My outsourced guy spoke to someone there that said they don't allow this, but that was over a week ago and the banners are still up and the links working. That just goes to show me that none of the affiliate programs give a shit anymore and will take whatever traffic they can get.

The funny thing is, I'm not knocking Score Cash for this, but it is has really opened my eyes and I am seriously adjusting the way I do business. As far as I'm concerned now it's open season and I'll make money any way I see fit...

*Edit* now I see they have this http://directbigboobs.net/bigboobs/a.../RSAction.html buy a membership to a Reality Cash site and get a free Rapidshare account. Un-fucking-believable...