this thread is relative to my interests BUT I don't have the time to fully expound right now... I will be back shortly!

-Loki-

And you think with the amount of objectification that we have already in porn, it would matter to the men?

3D porn sure will be huge in a couple of years.

yes - half the SHIT :winkwink:

I know what can be done (I even helped write a book about Combustion2), but I will still claim that it wont happen, because like with every "sale", the human relation is what makes the difference.

It's like with the fleshlight. Even if it felt absolutely perfect, it would still not be the same as fucking for real.

It will always be artificial, and therefor a secondary substitute

Wow, talk about a ambitious project. Hope you got a high-octane render farm :)
At the moment my ambitions end with a visual novel i am working at.

Right now I have 6 superfast i7 Intel rigs, but with Modo rendering 5 times the speed of mental Ray(even in HD) -- that's even better.

Ok, now that I have some time to fully post here lol.....

3D Toon Porn is NOTHING NEW, I know some of you know this already, but more do not realize it.

There have been successful sites online since 2001 (or before lol) one of the very first 3D Sites out there was http://crazyxxx3dworld.com (first indexed Mar 01, 2001) Now I HATE to use them as an example for a few reasons, the main being some of their content :( but at any rate they were the first paysite build "around" 3D Porn
(I use "Built Around" because at first they offered a mix of 3D and Real content)

At any rate, every year since the first 3D Porn set was created the quality and methods of creating the content have gotten better and better, years and years ago 3D models could only support textures that were 640 X 480 and thus the quality fucking sucked!

Now in 2009 I have models that can take textures that are 5000 X 5000 and higher and that produces the type of stuff seen in this thread.

As our computers get better, so does the software, and likewise so does the graphics we can create with said items.

The entire render process IS time heavy HOWEVER there are MANY pros vs cons to using this type of medium, as already stated in this thread, 2257 docs, model fees, and every other staple of shooting live content does NOT play into animated content.

Add in the fact that MOST people who can create this type of content are using multiple machines to counter the time involved to produce the content. I myself have 6 machines in my studio (and will be adding more as I get more space lol)

Funny enough when the movie Beowulf came out in 2007 (almost three years ago) some people who were not aware that the movie was made entirely in CGI DID THINK IT WAS REAL lmao, and like I said, that was almost 3 years ago now.

I will argue with this, it's NOT that high end content is expensive to make, it's the fact that people CHARGE what they are charging.... there is really NO REASON FOR THIS!

Case in point, when I started in 3D (as one of the co-founders of the niche) back in 99, a SINGLE 3D image would sell for..... $5.00 that's right FIVE BUCKS for an image that in all honesty SUCKED (but was good for the time I guess) these days the quality alone has FAR surpassed it's 1999 content and the prices have dropped...

I myself charge $500.00 for a package of 30 photo sets containing normally 900 images, that's over $4,000 lower then what it would cost back in 1999 lol

There are others out there who create content and they do in fact charge 10 - 20X more then what I charge, and there is really no reason except for pure greed.

Assuming that everyone that creates content is actually buying their plug-ins then yes we do have an overhead to work with, I myself have between $20k - $40k wrapped up in software and plug-ins from the past 10 years, but I still keep my prices "low" and for me, it has all worked out well.

I'm not saying that other artists are "ripping people off" I just don't understand why their prices are so damn high lol.

As stated already in this thread, that has already been happening since the start, for example the site I named in the start of this post they have "questionable" content in regards to age, violence etc.

Now the funny thing is, unlike what was said in this thread by KrisH, it really CAN'T get you into trouble in the end, back in 2003 (I believe) a case went all the way to the US Supreme Court that ended with (and I paraphrase)

"Because it is NOT real, and Real people were NOT used to create it, it is "ART" and protected by the 1st amendment"

Now, with that said, companies have stepped up and made their own rules about what IS and is NOT legal within the toon world, CCBILL has "banned" any content they "FEEL" to be "bestiality" this is kind of funny cause according to them, a chick with wings falls into this category.

I myself have always just toed the line so to speak with my content, I looked at it like it was 'real porn' and IF it would not fly with real porn I would not do it in 3D, so far so good with that lol.

Lyno first off, I miss you bro :) secondly are you forgetting about Beowulf? that movie had it all really, and oddly enough it took about as long as a "real" movie to produce from start to finish lol.

I think it's all a matter of HOW it is done, if we hire actors and actresses and put them in mocap suits, throw them in a greenscreen room and capture it then yeah we could do this all day long AND we could do it NOW!

I remember years ago when I told people that Disney was scrapping their animation dept and going to make NOTHING but CGI movies, this was AFTER they announced it publicly and people STILL said I was batshit lol.

WILL cgi "REPLACE" humans NO! but you are 100% correct that within the next few years humans will co-exsist with CGI models in movies.

First off, I really dig your work, and I think you got some major talent, BUT (saw it coming right?) I think you MAY be missing the actual draw (no pun intended) of CGI....

The whole point of CGI (3D Toons) is that you CAN create ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, the only limit is the artists imagination, you and I can sit back with our computers and our software and we can literally create the perfect human (man or women) we then can make them do ANYTHING, that sort of thing is just not possible in the real world WITHOUT a never ending bank account...

You take the PREFECT, FLAWLESS women, and have her getting fucked by.... ahh lets say a perfect man, for Hollywood to do that it takes a lot of money hands down, and then it's gotta be tamed down for the silver screen, so in the end we don't have an actual 'sex scene' we have a "love scene"

Now take it to the porn industry, first FIND those "perfect people" then see what their prices will be lol, then add in testing, legal, production, location, etc etc etc etc and what do you have?

With CGI we can do anything and everything, and it doesn't cost all that much really.

have them fuck ANYWHERE, defy the laws of nature, defy the laws of science do whatever wherever and whenever.

(lets wrap this all up nice and neat lol)

This market, this 3D Toon / CGI or whatever you wish to call it, has been growing since it's creation over 10 years ago, the industry itself has made great strides, many companies have opened and thrived quite nicely over these years.

There are NO LIMITS to what can be done, or what will be done in the future..... EXCEPT those limits that are created by companies NOT furthering the market by creating their own piece of the 3D puzzle, the more people get into this, the more it will grow, the more the tech will grow, the more the quality will grow, etc etc etc.

It is more cost effective to launch a 3D Toon site then it is to launch a human counterpart site, and there IS a market for this stuff, otherwise it would not have lasted a decade, there would not be more and more sites popping up if there was not money here.

Like I already said, I don't see this replacing real porn, (and I've ALWAYS said that) but I do see (as I've said SINCE 2001) that this type of content WILL stand along side it's real counterpart, and hold it's own.

-Loki- "The Godfather Of 3D Porn" ~ AVN 2004

Owner/Producer
http://www.LokiPorn.com

PS, I do have a hell of allot more to say about this subject BUT I will hold my tongue and answer any question you all might have

-Loki-

Hot not matter how you look at it!

That's exactly what I meant. What I was saying is that I don't see the point of making CG porn ----if it just involves straight vanilla fucking between a man and a woman. That can be done in real life, and is done over and over again(most of it boring).

The project I'm working on involves robots, anti-gravity stuff and whatever sick stuff I can come up with.

Thanks for the compliment.

Best cgi movie of all time.... parts are so realistic that you forget you're watching an animation.




I'm pretty sure nobody in our Industry could afford to do this, but give it another 10 years...

Hi there, good to see you are doing doing well :)
I have not forgotten about beowulf of course but i think smigel (Lord of the Rings) is a
even more impressive example. Still, shooting a porn movie with actors and then replacing
them with artificial actors.... don't know. Aside of the expense i seriously doubt that
traditional motion capturing methods would work in a hardcore scene :D

Regarding the price of 3D porn work... i think a lot of ppl simply underestimate the
expense. I use poser, a rather cheap prog that allow fast results and a big base of
affordable props. Still i spend a few $100 on props each month. That pic i posted took me
almost a day to finish. OK, on my new box (quad core, 8Gig RAM, Vista64) i would have
been a few hours faster. Still i hate to sell my renders - even semi-exclusive, so i usually
don't do custom work... maybe some single renders for fans, but that's it.

Pretty cool :thumbsup

Oh, just a hint what is already possible on the hitech end of the scale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_simulation

Expenses aside, I know of artist producing the same or lower quality work as I do and they are attempting to charge 10X what I charge lol

as for the monthly props, on average I've been spending at LEASE $500 for new toys but then again as I texture allot of my own stuff these days it really balances out quite nicely

I can pick up a nice moprh/texture package and turn it into at least 10 unique models so I make my money back no prob.

My biggest issue these days is I have well over 200gigs of shit to sort through and then re-sync all my render boxes, I know I have more dead weight then even I want to sort through lol.

-Loki-

As long as you're gonna keep actors that are alive, you are biting your own leg. Let's see how good It does without riding on the names....

Terminator 7. No one you have heard of or no one you know, we're all animated BABY. I wont pay $12 to see It.

I must be among the small percent of people who actually saw this one - and it was actually quite good. The concept was intriguing.

Great potential... we'll see how the technology progresses over the next few years.

Hmmm... what does an animated 17 year and 11 month old vs. a 18 year old look like?

Well now... GFY, meet "Slippery Slope" :warning:warning:warning