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Quotealex 09-06-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rhizome (Post 16283372)
Yo Quiet, did you ever buy that loft in Montreal? I want that place.

Any pictures of the loft? I'd like to see it:thumbsup

xato 09-06-2009 10:53 AM

awesome story.
i kinda feel what you are saying with "SCALE. if you have something, anything, that works, scale that cocksucker up to as high as it will go."

well done and enjoy life at the fullest! you deserve it.

lazycash 09-06-2009 11:01 AM

Nice to hear somebody who got out at their peak. Since your uw and uws domains point to nowhere, have you ever considered selling them?

xNetworx 09-06-2009 11:31 AM

Great success story. Not being a ball buster but why would you retire so quickly? If I was retired, i doubt I'd be posting here on a regular basis. Are you sure 2005 isn't when you should have retired? :1orglaugh jk

quiet 09-06-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 16284979)
Nice to hear somebody who got out at their peak. Since your uw and uws domains point to nowhere, have you ever considered selling them?

yeah, i thought about it, but honestly, don't really want to part with them. i know, sounds gay (probably is), but i just don't feel the need to sell them. i've had plenty of offers though.

iusers.com is for sale though ;)

quiet 09-06-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 16285086)
Great success story. Not being a ball buster but why would you retire so quickly? If I was retired, i doubt I'd be posting here on a regular basis. Are you sure 2005 isn't when you should have retired? :1orglaugh jk

dude, i have gaps of 3-4 months when i don't post here at all. my real posting days are over, that's all in the past. sure i fire the odd comment here and there (i actually find gfy to be one of the best news sources on the internet, as well as nice place to shoot the shit about whatever). i still use the internet, and this place is a place i have been posting to for almost 10 years. i doubt i will ever completely leave it until it shuts down.

xNetworx 09-06-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16285104)
dude, i have gaps of 3-4 months when i don't post here at all. my real posting days are over, that's all in the past. sure i fire the odd comment here and there (i actually find gfy to be one of the best news sources on the internet, as well as nice place to shoot the shit about whatever). i still use the internet, and this place is a place i have been posting to for almost 10 years. i doubt i will ever completely leave it until it shuts down.

I hear that. I still come here for entertainment. Haven't posted for months up until yesterday.

andrej_NDC 09-06-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16284777)
shit, what was the question? i went from 6.95, to 8.95, to 12.95, and finally to 18.95, that is the price that made the best profit for us, and was the one we used during the big-time 5 years area.

Did you ever try a higher price? 29.95 or even 39.95? Was there a reason not to use 19.95 and use 18.95 instead?

Rui 09-06-2009 12:29 PM

Don't you find it "boring" not having to do any sort of work\manage stuff?

Dont you miss having some "work stuff to do"?

Rui 09-06-2009 12:30 PM

Hello AndreJ! :hi:smilie_we

Roald 09-06-2009 01:04 PM

For some reason I always thought your empire was a 1 man show. Good read.

andrej_NDC 09-06-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 16285305)
Hello AndreJ! :hi:smilie_we

:drinkup

Hank_Heartland 09-06-2009 01:59 PM

I'm glad life has treated you well:winkwink:

Shoehorn! 09-06-2009 02:11 PM

Nice read. :thumbsup

mopek1 09-06-2009 03:32 PM

Hey Quiet,

If you had to start from scratch today, how would you do it? What's your take on the industry these days?

Thanks :)

quiet 09-07-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16285267)
Did you ever try a higher price? 29.95 or even 39.95? Was there a reason not to use 19.95 and use 18.95 instead?

i never charged more than 19.95 (briefly). 18.95 seemed, i'm just guessing, for your average porn surfer, to save a buck, and yet get a quality product. it certainly worked for us.

quiet 09-07-2009 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui (Post 16285302)
Don't you find it "boring" not having to do any sort of work\manage stuff?

Dont you miss having some "work stuff to do"?

i have tons of shit to do man. i have to manage money, constantly, i didn't lose any money in the current economic crash, that's because i am all over it.

i am going to start a new small biz here in Whistler, it sounds boring, but it's something really needed in this pain in the ass resort town.

as already stated, i also enjoy traveling the world, reading, snowboarding, downhill biking, hiking, and lots of other things. i am definitely not bored :glugglug

quiet 09-07-2009 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 16285762)
Hey Quiet,

If you had to start from scratch today, how would you do it? What's your take on the industry these days?

Thanks :)

in adult? i would be working the mobile shit.

but i won't ever get involved again, i just push my old traffic and bank a little on that. i'm on to new things now, i feel for you guys. is there a way for a small guy to make milions in adult internet at this point? i'm sure there is, but damn, would not be easy.

$5 submissions 09-07-2009 02:31 AM

Great read! Very inspirational and informative. Congrats on your success.

Drake 09-07-2009 01:10 PM

Solid story, that was good reading.

alias 09-07-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16285104)
dude, i have gaps of 3-4 months when i don't post here at all. My real posting days are over, that's all in the past. Sure i fire the odd comment here and there (i actually find gfy to be one of the best news sources on the internet, as well as nice place to shoot the shit about whatever). I still use the internet, and this place is a place i have been posting to for almost 10 years. I doubt i will ever completely leave it until it shuts down.

gfy 4 life

CaptainHowdy 09-07-2009 01:20 PM

I need $ 100 ...

jimmy-3-way 09-07-2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16283577)
hell no. not even close lol. lots of people making FAAAAAAARRRRRR more than me. check out cyberage dave's garage lol. now that's money.

I was talking single sites, not aff. programs.

Drake 09-07-2009 01:38 PM

I remember that one of the things that set your site apart was that it had a TON of content compared to 99% of paysites at that time. Back then every paysite was using the same crappy Holio plugins, and images that were shot in the 80s. This was considered to be a standard full paysite members area back then which had zero value in it. You completely ignored that format and instead had lots of quality full length videos updated regularily. It seems like a no-brainer to build a rep with surfers and make solid income, yet it was extremely rare at that time.

jimmy-3-way 09-07-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 16289200)
I remember that one of the things that set your site apart was that it had a TON of content compared to 99% of paysites at that time. Back then every paysite was using the same crappy Holio plugins, and images that were shot in the 80s. This was considered to be a standard full paysite members area back then which had zero value in it. You completely ignored that format and instead had lots of quality full length videos updated regularily. It seems like a no-brainer to build a rep with surfers and make solid income, yet it was extremely rare at that time.

I think that falls under, WTF was it? 'The Ultra Promise'?

nikki99 09-07-2009 01:45 PM

very interesting :thumbsup

btw what is the hun?

TrafficRush 09-07-2009 02:19 PM

long live a good webmaster ;)

SGS 09-07-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16283601)
awesome. can you elaborate at all?

It was on video encoding. :)

quiet 09-07-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 16289195)
I was talking single sites, not aff. programs.

ah. well then, you are probably right. i do remember the biggest one of all time, what the hell was the name? wetlands or something along that line. i heard that couple made around 50 million or more.

quiet 09-07-2009 11:25 PM

sent you an email Jimmy

andrej_NDC 09-08-2009 12:52 AM

Thanks for the answer...a few more questions, if you don't mind. How much did you spend monthly for traffic, hosting, content? Each separately would be great.

quiet 09-08-2009 01:08 AM

this is totally off of the top of my head (i shut the site down 4 years ago lol), but, traffic costs... had to have been 50-60K a month. probably more. hosting was pretty huge, after we'd got all of the servers and hardware we needed, around 35-40K a month, could be more. if DavidD is around, he can probably remember. content was pretty expensive, we gave up our dvd/retail rights to it, just exclusive internet rights, and shot a couple of hours a week. i'm guessing 20-25K a month or so.

why do you even want to know? the adult industry has changed so much since then, it's not going to help you in anyway. weird.

aniloscash 09-08-2009 02:28 AM

good story

mopek1 09-08-2009 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16290845)
... the adult industry has changed so much since then ...

What in your opinion is the reason for the big decline in sales/conversions in adult?

Lots of people blame tubes/recession which do play a part. I think it's the product quality.

What do you say?

Ice 09-08-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16287194)
i have tons of shit to do man. i have to manage money, constantly, i didn't lose any money in the current economic crash, that's because i am all over it.

i am going to start a new small biz here in Whistler, it sounds boring, but it's something really needed in this pain in the ass resort town.

as already stated, i also enjoy traveling the world, reading, snowboarding, downhill biking, hiking, and lots of other things. i am definitely not bored :glugglug

One thing about BC I miss is Whistler... use to go up there quite often when I lived in Vancouver.

quiet 09-08-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 16291239)
What in your opinion is the reason for the big decline in sales/conversions in adult?

Lots of people blame tubes/recession which do play a part. I think it's the product quality.

What do you say?

excessive free porn, cheap bandwidth, no real copywrite inforcement.

OnTime 10-04-2009 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gornyhuy (Post 16277684)
He can just die, that would be fine too.

LOL. Is The King really Pathfinder, or is that a bunch of BS?

andrej_NDC 10-04-2009 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16290845)
this is totally off of the top of my head (i shut the site down 4 years ago lol), but, traffic costs... had to have been 50-60K a month. probably more. hosting was pretty huge, after we'd got all of the servers and hardware we needed, around 35-40K a month, could be more. if DavidD is around, he can probably remember. content was pretty expensive, we gave up our dvd/retail rights to it, just exclusive internet rights, and shot a couple of hours a week. i'm guessing 20-25K a month or so.

why do you even want to know? the adult industry has changed so much since then, it's not going to help you in anyway. weird.

It didn't change that much, really. Most niches don't convert now, but its just because they got boring. Hollywood movies from the 90s wouldn't make shit nowadays in theaters, too. The only thing that really changed is super cheap bandwitch(thanks to the tubes, I guess) and some traffic is cheaper, too. Other than that, adult is still rocking.

quiet 10-04-2009 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 16389216)
It didn't change that much, really. Most niches don't convert now, but its just because they got boring. Hollywood movies from the 90s wouldn't make shit nowadays in theaters, too. The only thing that really changed is super cheap bandwitch(thanks to the tubes, I guess) and some traffic is cheaper, too. Other than that, adult is still rocking.

hmm, it hasn't changed that much? that an interesting take on things. i still push traffic, and it seems to be a completely different landscape vs 4 years ago.

anyway, cheers.

slapass 10-04-2009 06:04 AM

I think your story is amazing as so few people can walk away from something after they have hit their goals.

andrej_NDC 10-04-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16389233)
hmm, it hasn't changed that much? that an interesting take on things. i still push traffic, and it seems to be a completely different landscape vs 4 years ago.

anyway, cheers.

90% of the old niches are almost dead...if you pushed what the market wants, if wouldn't be that much different. Well, the crisis didn't help either, much more denials that there used to be, but can't blame anyone for it, but the banks and the economy.

StuartD 10-04-2009 08:30 AM

You make it sound too easy.
Good on ya though :thumbsup

CaptainHowdy 10-04-2009 09:08 AM

All playas but none will step up for the $ 100 I need for free ... :pimp!

quiet 10-04-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 16389585)
You make it sound too easy.
Good on ya though :thumbsup

cheers man

adultebusiness 10-05-2009 12:21 AM

best story i've heard today

shuki 10-22-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16295436)
excessive free porn, cheap bandwidth, no real copywrite inforcement.

Def agree with those things...no one in mainstream entertainment would allow the blatant infringement going on.

quiet 05-29-2010 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16275916)
(American Beauty reference). Anyhoo, people have been asking me for around 7 years to drop the story on my biz. here it is. it will probably bore the fuck out of most of you, so feel free to skip:

1996, i am taking a cyberphilosophy course at the University of Alberta (i think it was numbered 365). we did a bunch of things, but one of the things i took away from it was that this internet thing could make money. before i'd finished uni (major in Genetics, minor in Philosophy), i had a couple of accounts/pages set up with several adult verification services (adultcheck was the one that really got me going). so my parents are stoked that i'm making money, as i'd been a starving student since i started university. gf at the time was stoked too. though i did get both mine and my gf (at the time's) university accounts shut down for excessive usage lol.

around a year later, i started a small (read: shitty) paysite, using interbill as the processor. i don't think many people remember interbill, but anyway, they were super sketchy.

1997, i'm making around 4500 bucks a month, then, interbill stops paying me, and i am freaking the fuck out. in the end, they do actually pony up the amount owed (six months later) but by then i am with ibill, and was just barely able to cover the rent.

how was i getting traffic at this point? spamming the seach engines of course. it was easy as fuck to get a reasonable amount of traffic. infoseek? altavista? yep. load a page full of keywords, upload, and you were good to go. rinse and repeat.

1998, by now, i have an okay income, around 8K a month, life is good for a 24 year old guy straight out of uni. hooked up with a new gf, and using the money i'd save up (around 10K or so), we built a new paysite, and i dropped the 10K on a search engine called goto.com (it's called overture now) for advertising. they were the first (i believe) search engine to offer paid listings. anyway, it was a complete and utter failure lol.

girl leaves me, and things kind of go sour. my income drops to 4K a month, i am seriously considering going back to uni to do a masters, or possibly a trade school (my dad runs a small electrical company).

Then: someone (whoever you are, thank-you) submits one of my random spam galleries to the Hun. BAM. my piddily little virtual account could not handle the traffic (obviously), and i was super pissed. but then the sun came up over the horizon. this could actually be a good thing. i knew that night, that i would become a multi-millionaire. of course, no one i knew believed me lol. i remember telling my dad and my best friend exactly that right after the Hun listing, and they thought i was crazy. i totally understand why though. because it sounded crazy.

1999, i am making a solid 20K a month. pretty happy with everything. enter DavidD, formally of Candid Hosting. gave some great technical advice and super helpful 24 hrs a day. This is the point where i am adding server after server because the demand for my new, high quality (for the time) paysite and especially the endless galleries is going insane.

2000, i start shooting all exclusive video content (not personally lol). redesigned the site (you know what, i have almost told no one this, but i have designed ever reiteration of ultrawiredsex.com myself lol, straight up html by yours truly), and hired a team, an actual team of people, to do nothing but submit to tgps, to buy spots on tgps and build galleries. we worked 100 hours a week, but i paid my employees well. scaled the FUCK out of tgp submission. i also bought all of the top hun listings. they were a bit of a pain in the ass some times, but i got every available listing.

2001, just cranking the submissions, making 350K a month, after expenses. getting the video on every tgp on the planet. nice office in Banff, Canada, with 6 people working around the clock.

2002, i *think* this is about the time Mark (GTS) came into the picture. we cranked their paid submissions about as hard as you can crank anything. MONEY.

2003, not much changed.

2004, ibill goes tits up. i was lucky, and got paid far longer than a lot of other guys. i got paid consisistently until april 2005. they still owe me around a quarter million dollars though. don't think i'll ever see it lol.

2005, retired.

what i did i learn from all of this? SCALE. if you have something, anything, that works, scale that cocksucker up to as high as it will go.

ps: take a flight on the concorde ;)

cheers boys and girls.

apparrently i have to type and type and type... to make enough to get a post.

TrainWreckContent 05-29-2010 11:05 PM

good read

LoveSandra 05-30-2010 05:28 AM

nice read

seoguyzzz 05-30-2010 06:20 AM

the best thing with is u never gave up!


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