I certainly hope you're not saying you have to be spiritual to know what is right or wrong. That is the biggest bullshit excuse that the religious use for proof of their beliefs. "If there was no god or religion, how would we know what was right or wrong, how could we lead good lives. The world would be chaos without it."

Where did you read he said that is what is written in the bible? That IS a view held by any person of religion. Why? Read the bible or if you had you might remember the sins of adultery, fornication, lust, or even lying with another man, etc.

Thats not what was saying at all. I was saying people need to think for themselves, porn is only a "sin" if you think it is.

Gotcha... :thumbsup

Here are just a few, enough for you to get the drift...

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.

Proverbs 6:32
He who commits adultery with a woman is void of understanding. He who does it destroys his own soul.

Matthew 5:27-28
You have heard that it was said, ?You shall not commit adultery;? but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or don?t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don?t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals...

Galatians 5:21
envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

:upsidedow

I go if I know they'll be playing those massive pipe organs, that always empresses the hell out of me, wicked sounding instrument for such a holy place

i may catch on fire :(

God loves porn, even butt porn, he invented sex.

I don't get how a crime isn't a contradiction and a contradiction can't be a crime? To me, contradiction suggests that doing one thing and another clash against each other. So, therefore, those that go to church having committed things such as molesting kids or having killed somebody are taking part in a contradiction too and I would suggest that is a bigger deal than porn. I would also say that there are many people that go to church every week that work to sell arms, that work for tobacco companies, etc. So, there are many people that do things where 'the church' might not like.

If somebody feels they believe in Christian values, why should they let a bunch of snobby people from the congregation look down on them and stop them expressing their faith? Most, people I know that go to church are fantastic people. The really finger wavers are few and far between. That is said, as somebody that goes to church once every couple of years.

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are you also touched by his noodly appendage?

Dude, I can't walk into a fucking church. :1orglaugh

If I did decide to walk into a church, the demons would probably manifest from within my soul and create total fucking chaos in that place.

50 church goers :)

i attend the church of suicidal

What if the criminal is going to church in the hope of salvation...? This would not be a contradiction. Perhaps the criminal is compelled to commit crimes, and is looking for Jesus to save him / her from themselves.

His only god is the almighty dollar.


I love that song.

I haven't attended church regularly since I was about 15. I do go for weddings, christenings and funerals and both my kids are baptized.

What really gets me is when its Lent there are people that I am friends with who never attend church, have premarital sex, drink curse and who knows what else but will still give something up for Lent and not eat meat of Fridays. :Oh crap

Not on Sundays. Just Wednesdays. I'm not religious enough for the Sunday show.

I use to go every Sunday...I've been on the holiday schedule for the last 5-6yrs.

My Sundays generally consist of beer, grilling and football...Never catch me in church.

I believe in God but I dont go to church.

I can pray at any time in any place.

Oh, I agree.. I was talking the pre-asking for salvation moments. Really, though I was just being picky about the use of a word ;)

do right, go to church.

Let me put it this way, a simple contradiction doesn't necessarily have to be a crime in the same way that not all crimes are contradictions. Take Glenn Beck for instance:



Notice how he contradicts himself in less than 10 secs yet he thinks he hasn't; thats OK tho .... such contradiction makes him look bad but is certainly not a crime.

Now a priest who rapes childen is committing a crime, you could say it is a contradiction as much as I could say it is an aberration .... I guess there are many ways to describe this "sin" *cough cough* however people don't get sent to jail because they contradict themselves (Glenn Beck would have a life sentence lol)

Regarding the comparison of rape/murder to working in the porn industry... I MUST say working in the adult industry is not a crime and thus not punished by the laws of man. HOWEVER when it comes to religion things go even further because we fall in a discussion of "big sin vs small sins" .... and according to the Bible..... there is no such thing as a small sin or a big sin because the simple definition of sin is "a Thought or Act against the Law of God" and the seventh commandment says:

As far as your previous examples of a people who go to church and yet sell weapons or work in the tobacco industry, I must agree those are contradictions but they don't go as far as being illegal according to the laws of man.

Now, don't take me the wrong way... I am not a religious or even Spiritual person at all, I just happened to have a pastor as a father (yeah contradiction) but I happen to have my own mind/pov as well. I remember having discussions with him about the Jewish concept that G-d is only one and indivisible, that being the case all Christians who believe in the holly Trinity are in fact polytheists ... yeap, mind numbing.... but every religion out there has the truth and thats OK with me, I live and let live.

I dont' go to church because I would be a hypocrite if I did, just like many (not all) who go to church ...so... if I am not going to do things properly I rather not do them at all.

OK nice discussion ... but now is worky time :winkwink: