there goes Christmas

51 kootos .

thank goodness I've never promoted this niche!!

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err I mean...

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My "sleeping" stuff sells well on clips4sale, I recommend those that have sleeping stuff put it on vod and clip sites.

comamodels.com / comadates.com sounds kinda hot :upsidedow

I have to agree with Robbie on this one. Just as Hollywood movies work on fiction and fantasy at times, why cant adult movies? Makes zero sense.

I mean watching your hubby or wife with another is just as much a fantasy as wanting to do your neighbor while shes passed out.

it is nothing new that adult can not get away with what hollywood does. not sure why people even keep bringing up this issue. it is visa's game and their rules. no laws say they even have to do business with us at all, so we are damn lucky to get away with what we do.

others also mentioned sleep fantasy is not rape fantasy just because if some girl woke them up with a bj or something that would never be rape. let us be real, it is rape. you just never would attempt to file charges for it unless of course you fell asleep at your house after a party and was woken up by a great bj you thought was from your girlfriend and when you finally cum to you realize it was that wierd guy nobody knows who invited.

fact stands no concent equals rape.
yes it is a fantasy and i personally would be fine with violent rape fantasy porn, but it is not my rules and no matter how much i bitch visa is not going to change for me.

such a small niche for Visa to bother with, my guess is they are testing the waters for some bigger niches

Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.

Ever hear of girls sleep signing contracts?

talk about sleep and everyones yawning..

Anyone drop loot shooting a sleep site recently?

they need to open their eyes before fuck now :D

This is the most necrophiliac cartoon ever. I always wondered how they got away with that one. :disgust

Because Dave said he is the source means he made it up? How about the fact he owns a sleep site that is now closed? Or he owns Pimproll, Massivedollars, Adultelite, Makebank and others and is in the know about all things concerning what is allowed and not allowed in our industry?

And in the original story the Prince fucks her too, I think she wakes up when she gives birth... :)

VISA isn't the law though, they're a private card association, not quite the same thing. Of course they might as well be.

can't say its too surprising

This is 100% fuckd up, Visa and MC's Brand damaging bulhsit.

You know they can actually close any site they deem "Brand damaging" Fucking cock suckers..

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I meant it APPEARED he was saying he made it up. When he said "I am the source" and linked back to this very thread. I thought he was fucking around at that point. And since I do not own a sleep site but I was one of the guys who promoted Dave's sites since he first got started I was wondering what was up too. I believe people were looking for some kind of link to a new Visa rule.

And I'm glad that Dave has magical powers to be "in the know about all things that are allowed and not allowed in our industry"

Or maybe as he said in a later post...he simply got in trouble with one of his sleeping sites? No magic? No super secret ability to know more than me? lol

It's no big deal. I was just saying that when some people asked for a link to the rule it was confusing what he said.

Names would be useful there.

I agree with Robbie that people should be able to shoot and watch what they want, but I can also see the side of avoiding unnecessary risks. I've always operated under the concept that it's worth making a little less money so you don't have a bullseye on your back. Yeah, it sucks that there are niches that are big targets for law enforcement, but it is what it is. Every business operates within the confines of SOME rules or regulations, and if you push the boundary, sometimes you get the stick.

I can totally understand the sleeping niche being looked down upon because of the APPEARANCE of lack of consent. Of course it's fantasy, of course they're paid actors, there's no argument there. But mutual consent is a big thing in our society, so I can see people getting fired up about that niche. I guarantee the moment someone comes out with a "coma porn" site, you're REALLY going to see shit fly, even though the production of the content is no different than a sleep site.

Finally, if this is something VISA's putting down, it isn't "fucking left wing" or "fucking right wing" it's "fucking VISA." Let's give fair credit where credit is due.

sleep creepppppp

Wow. That sucks for the guys that were planning on launchng a sleep paysite. Can you imagine shooting all of that content (and paying for it) but to only have Visa turn around to say that you cannot accept their credit card for your memberships? Talk about a pain in the ass. :(

Just for the record, my statement that "I always wondered how they got away with it" was in no way indicative of my opinion on whether or not people should be able to produce and sell "sleep" porn.

I also don't understand those bashing the government about this, or the calls of censorship.

If it is indeed true that Visa has pulled processing for this type of site, then what does that have to do with censorship or the government? Seems like it's Visa'a playground, Visa's rules...Not the gov't.

About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
But my personal view is that these sleep sites clearly do a good job of making it seem innocuous. I don't see how it should be a problem. Kind of silly. Especially being that they are obviously fake.
I think we should be more concerned with sleeper cells than sleep sites. imo.

duke

Law is not the same as policy :2 cents:

werent you the guy telling me that you didnt have a wife but you have like 4 dogs?

and heres a quote from last week:

jdoughs ‎(1:43 PM):
ill be back in a little bit i need to go get a few cases of peanut butter from costco.

This is why I quit watching scary movies. It's like your movie isn't "cool" these days unless you have the most horrific rape scene ever.

If PR Dave comes back to this thread:
Will you be sending out an email to us affiliates with an announcement so we know which links/galleries to pull down that pertain to your sleeping site that is out of business?

he said he closed that site a long time ago....

they aren't sleeping...they are just playing deadfish

What separates the simulated rape in a mainstream movie from simulated rape in porn is "prurient interest" -- the first is a movie that tells a story, the second is something meant to bring on a sexual response. It all comes down to obscenity laws, which VISA is (rightfully) trying to stay within. I'm no apologist for VISA, but they gotta keep their biz in line.

Argue the rights/wrongs/morality/etc. of it all you want, but that's just the way it is.

My bad. I see that now. :)

so its bad when i touch my mothers ass meanwhile she sleeps?

if you are wearing a christmas reindeer mask yes.

First... i meant that the law is the law. Depictions of simulated rape are illegal. Fucking a sleeping chick is exactly that... regardless of everyones idiotic arguments and semantics... (not yours) you can't consent during the act if you are not conscious to consent.

A Hollywood film is treated as an artistic endeavor and porn is treated as porn catering to "prurient interests"... i'm sure if hollywood was suddenly flooded with works depicting underage sex, bestiality and rape, torture and mutilation (in a sexual context) and so on, we'd most certainly see some new laws on the books.

We also do not consent on what the laws are.

ccbill dropped these sites a long time ago, most programs who get away with these sites have gotten merchant acct. This thread is useless without a source though

Well if it's of any consequence... I just got an affiliate email full of "Sleep Creep" galleries from Porn Pros/Fuck You Cash just like this one:
http://www.sleepcreep.com/galleries/...o5NDoxMg,0,0,0,

I run galleries for this site and many others and have for a long time. So I guess it ain't quite dead yet.

And that's what a lot of people in this thread don't understand... Sad.

Thank god.. To many people say "it's just fantasy!". Yeah because any ole Joe just decides "fuck yeah, I got a hardon watching a bitch being raped!" and doesn't think "I'm gonna see if I can attempt to fuck Jenny from the block while she sleeps!".

You're being an enabler.

Like stated many times before, not to mention, Visa can't really pull their merchant accounts for Hollywood because their was a rape in a movie.. I'm pretty sure EVERY single company that accepts credit cards and sells movies would be VERY pissed.

The Last House on the Left was the first movie in the last few years I seen, or at least remember, that had a rape scene... Maybe I'm watching the wrong horror films?

Very unfortunate for a few programs if this is true...

Exactly.
Fucking ridiculous.

I think you have your right and left mixed up.. Republicans and the Christian Right typically are anti-pornography.

The Left: For Democrats look at the column here on the right side (Shows their Political position: Center-left)

The Right: For Republicans look at the column here on the right side (Shows their Political position: Center-right) and a good portion of Republicans are "Christian Right" (the right consists of prominent racist homophobic whackjobs like Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, etc..)

Didn't want to post more info in the event this thread is true LOL...



OK.. credit where credit is due..

"Right Wing religious republican nutjobs work at Visa"

Uh, yeah... who what where when was this "reported"!

I was just gonna start promoting that, too...

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I watched in amazement too, the scene showed the guy fucking her from behind in many different angles, it was way longer than needed.

http://content.humorpix.com/images/2471/p001.jpg

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to be fair it was a remake of a much older movie and the entire story is based on the rape scene. it was also toned down a great deal from the original. the original was much more graphic and the only movie to come close would be i spit on your grave.
also should keep in mind for point of this discussion, the first time last house was released it was banned in the us and other places, then banned again in 84 after vcr's has been about and so had the film. look up video recordings act of 1984.

now i am very damn curious what current horror movies have horrific rape scenes in them besides the remake of this one.