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Agent 488 09-11-2009 05:13 PM
this could be the first step to tyranny and fascism.

it is quite probable that visa handled all credit card processing for the nazi regime.

Dirty Dane 09-11-2009 05:15 PM
"Sleep" will just be changed into "daydreaming" or "coma". Most of the models are not sleeping anyway, so why waste the content when you can easily change the context :thumbsup

AtlantisCash 09-11-2009 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16308576)
Didn't PRDave just say HE was the source and linked back to this thread?

So am I not understanding that he basically just told us all he made it up and it's not true?

By the way...not that it matters or anything...but in my opinion you should be able to do anything you want in a film. (not talking about ACTUALLY killing, raping etc.)

It's just a movie. They kill and rape all the time in Hollywood movies. Hell I just sat through the latest "Final Destination" movie. A fucking slaughterfest.

Anyway, you should be able to simulate any goddamn thing you want to. You want to have a 21 year old dress up like she's 15? So what? You want to have two actors play out a rape scene? So what? You want to bring out the ketchup and fake knives and kill people on film? So what?

It's goddamn movies! Jesus Christ!

Let people decide for themselves. If people WANT to see it, it will be successful. If people don't want to see it, it will die away quickly.

I just can't wrap my head around the notion that some people have the right to tell other full grown adults what they can see, watch, do, read, write, or film. As long as it is consenting adults working on a film together.

The govt. is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. I know I'm not the only one.

Very Well Said, Exactly My Thoughts

stever 09-11-2009 05:26 PM
hmm ketchup and knives
this just gave me a great idea for a new site

PR_Dave 09-11-2009 05:51 PM
I am the source does not mean I made it up, who are you BTW?

It's happening right now, sleep sites are getting steam rolled by VISA.

When I acquired Long Dong Dollars it came with a site call Sleep Invasion, we closed that site not long after the takeover.

Just last week every single one of our billers contacted us to make sure the site was still not accepting customers, they all, I repeat ALL said VISA is aggressively shutting sleep sites down.

Doesn't matter if the site is loaded with consenting popular pornstars, VISA says no more

Dirty Dane 09-11-2009 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16308676)

Doesn't matter if the site is loaded with consenting popular pornstars, VISA says no more
Did they give a specific reason?

Fabien 09-11-2009 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 16308599)
"Sleep" will just be changed into "daydreaming" or "coma". Most of the models are not sleeping anyway, so why waste the content when you can easily change the context :thumbsup

Sometimes GYF ain't just "Would you hit it" threads and responses :thumbsup
I take note ! :thumbsup

Fabien 09-11-2009 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16308576)
Didn't PRDave just say HE was the source and linked back to this thread?

So am I not understanding that he basically just told us all he made it up and it's not true?

By the way...not that it matters or anything...but in my opinion you should be able to do anything you want in a film. (not talking about ACTUALLY killing, raping etc.)

It's just a movie. They kill and rape all the time in Hollywood movies. Hell I just sat through the latest "Final Destination" movie. A fucking slaughterfest.

Anyway, you should be able to simulate any goddamn thing you want to. You want to have a 21 year old dress up like she's 15? So what? You want to have two actors play out a rape scene? So what? You want to bring out the ketchup and fake knives and kill people on film? So what?

It's goddamn movies! Jesus Christ!

Let people decide for themselves. If people WANT to see it, it will be successful. If people don't want to see it, it will die away quickly.

I just can't wrap my head around the notion that some people have the right to tell other full grown adults what they can see, watch, do, read, write, or film. As long as it is consenting adults working on a film together.

The govt. is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. I know I'm not the only one.
Fucking left wing retards trust me. I just can't stand them anymore. The older i get, the more pissed i get hehehehehehehe
The "left wing" is getting stronger and stronger. Hell in a few years i wonder if the earth won't be an entire "left-wing-communist-planet". Or like 1984 by George Orwell (movie) !

(oh no China here i come):1orglaugh)

SleazyDream 09-11-2009 07:04 PM
yawn

.........

Dirty Dane 09-11-2009 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 16308841)
Sometimes GYF ain't just "Would you hit it" threads and responses :thumbsup
I take note ! :thumbsup
Yes, for each problem there is a solution. If you have "poo" content, just say it's chocolate. VISA can't tell... I mean.. smell.. the difference. :upsidedow

2012 09-11-2009 07:06 PM
there goes Christmas

Agent 488 09-11-2009 07:07 PM
51 kootos .

born2blog 09-11-2009 07:11 PM
thank goodness I've never promoted this niche!!

Iron Fist 09-11-2009 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 16308872)
Yes, for each problem there is a solution. If you have "poo" content, just say it's chocolate. VISA can't tell... I mean.. smell.. the difference. :upsidedow
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

err I mean...

:disgust:disgust:disgust

NaughtyRob 09-11-2009 08:29 PM
My "sleeping" stuff sells well on clips4sale, I recommend those that have sleeping stuff put it on vod and clip sites.

Due 09-11-2009 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 16308599)
"Sleep" will just be changed into "daydreaming" or "coma". Most of the models are not sleeping anyway, so why waste the content when you can easily change the context :thumbsup
comamodels.com / comadates.com sounds kinda hot :upsidedow

NY Jester 09-11-2009 08:55 PM
I have to agree with Robbie on this one. Just as Hollywood movies work on fiction and fantasy at times, why cant adult movies? Makes zero sense.

I mean watching your hubby or wife with another is just as much a fantasy as wanting to do your neighbor while shes passed out.

Agent 488 09-11-2009 09:02 PM
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Phallus Fondue 09-11-2009 09:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Jester (Post 16309105)
I have to agree with Robbie on this one. Just as Hollywood movies work on fiction and fantasy at times, why cant adult movies? Makes zero sense.

I mean watching your hubby or wife with another is just as much a fantasy as wanting to do your neighbor while shes passed out.
it is nothing new that adult can not get away with what hollywood does. not sure why people even keep bringing up this issue. it is visa's game and their rules. no laws say they even have to do business with us at all, so we are damn lucky to get away with what we do.

others also mentioned sleep fantasy is not rape fantasy just because if some girl woke them up with a bj or something that would never be rape. let us be real, it is rape. you just never would attempt to file charges for it unless of course you fell asleep at your house after a party and was woken up by a great bj you thought was from your girlfriend and when you finally cum to you realize it was that wierd guy nobody knows who invited.

fact stands no concent equals rape.
yes it is a fantasy and i personally would be fine with violent rape fantasy porn, but it is not my rules and no matter how much i bitch visa is not going to change for me.

cam_girls 09-11-2009 09:32 PM
such a small niche for Visa to bother with, my guess is they are testing the waters for some bigger niches

Half man, Half Amazing 09-11-2009 09:41 PM
Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.

DWB 09-12-2009 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by x-rate (Post 16308572)
Consent? what about the 2257?

someone can have the 2257 but not the consent of someone? Unless you pay the model for a regular shot and later on get in her house and shot her while she sleep lol
Ever hear of girls sleep signing contracts?

Adam X 09-12-2009 01:16 AM
talk about sleep and everyones yawning..

Anyone drop loot shooting a sleep site recently?

seeandsee 09-12-2009 01:26 AM
they need to open their eyes before fuck now :D

just a punk 09-12-2009 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16307892)
This is the most necrophiliac cartoon ever. I always wondered how they got away with that one. :disgust

Ross 09-12-2009 03:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16308576)
Didn't PRDave just say HE was the source and linked back to this thread?

So am I not understanding that he basically just told us all he made it up and it's not true?
Because Dave said he is the source means he made it up? How about the fact he owns a sleep site that is now closed? Or he owns Pimproll, Massivedollars, Adultelite, Makebank and others and is in the know about all things concerning what is allowed and not allowed in our industry?

Hentaikid 09-12-2009 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 16309976)
This is the most necrophiliac cartoon ever. I always wondered how they got away with that one. :disgust
And in the original story the Prince fucks her too, I think she wakes up when she gives birth... :)

VISA isn't the law though, they're a private card association, not quite the same thing. Of course they might as well be.

Manowar 09-12-2009 06:04 AM
can't say its too surprising

RenegadeCash Mark 09-12-2009 06:31 AM
This is 100% fuckd up, Visa and MC's Brand damaging bulhsit.

You know they can actually close any site they deem "Brand damaging" Fucking cock suckers..

MaDalton 09-12-2009 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 16308095)
Wonder if this will affect sleeping cam models lol
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Robbie 09-12-2009 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross (Post 16309985)
Because Dave said he is the source means he made it up? How about the fact he owns a sleep site that is now closed? Or he owns Pimproll, Massivedollars, Adultelite, Makebank and others and is in the know about all things concerning what is allowed and not allowed in our industry?
I meant it APPEARED he was saying he made it up. When he said "I am the source" and linked back to this very thread. I thought he was fucking around at that point. And since I do not own a sleep site but I was one of the guys who promoted Dave's sites since he first got started I was wondering what was up too. I believe people were looking for some kind of link to a new Visa rule.

And I'm glad that Dave has magical powers to be "in the know about all things that are allowed and not allowed in our industry"

Or maybe as he said in a later post...he simply got in trouble with one of his sleeping sites? No magic? No super secret ability to know more than me? lol

It's no big deal. I was just saying that when some people asked for a link to the rule it was confusing what he said.

DonovanTrent 09-12-2009 08:32 AM
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if visa is enforcing this, then people will move to a token type credit system where they spend $ at an account at one site and then use the funds to buy the membership on another site..

(i.e.: a popular video clip sales place does this)..
Names would be useful there.

I agree with Robbie that people should be able to shoot and watch what they want, but I can also see the side of avoiding unnecessary risks. I've always operated under the concept that it's worth making a little less money so you don't have a bullseye on your back. Yeah, it sucks that there are niches that are big targets for law enforcement, but it is what it is. Every business operates within the confines of SOME rules or regulations, and if you push the boundary, sometimes you get the stick.

I can totally understand the sleeping niche being looked down upon because of the APPEARANCE of lack of consent. Of course it's fantasy, of course they're paid actors, there's no argument there. But mutual consent is a big thing in our society, so I can see people getting fired up about that niche. I guarantee the moment someone comes out with a "coma porn" site, you're REALLY going to see shit fly, even though the production of the content is no different than a sleep site.

Finally, if this is something VISA's putting down, it isn't "fucking left wing" or "fucking right wing" it's "fucking VISA." Let's give fair credit where credit is due.

CamTraffic 09-12-2009 09:14 AM
sleep creepppppp

rayadp05 09-12-2009 09:34 AM
Wow. That sucks for the guys that were planning on launchng a sleep paysite. Can you imagine shooting all of that content (and paying for it) but to only have Visa turn around to say that you cannot accept their credit card for your memberships? Talk about a pain in the ass. :(

Ayla_SquareTurtle 09-12-2009 01:08 PM
Just for the record, my statement that "I always wondered how they got away with it" was in no way indicative of my opinion on whether or not people should be able to produce and sell "sleep" porn.

I also don't understand those bashing the government about this, or the calls of censorship.

If it is indeed true that Visa has pulled processing for this type of site, then what does that have to do with censorship or the government? Seems like it's Visa'a playground, Visa's rules...Not the gov't.

Major (Tom) 09-12-2009 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16307927)
simulated rape is simulated rape. i can tell anyone here to suck my dick... me waking up 3 days later with one of you homos trying, doesn't make it a consensual act.
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
But my personal view is that these sleep sites clearly do a good job of making it seem innocuous. I don't see how it should be a problem. Kind of silly. Especially being that they are obviously fake.
I think we should be more concerned with sleeper cells than sleep sites. imo.

duke

Dirty Dane 09-12-2009 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing (Post 16309243)
Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.
Law is not the same as policy :2 cents:

beemk 09-12-2009 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16307869)
One of my favorite things is being woke up by my wife with a blowjob. I'm sure I am not the only one whose 'thing' is similar.

It doesn't always have to be about 'rape' or consent. In fact nothing about that does anything for me, quite the contrary, but again, I wish I could get woken up like that more often. haha

Sorry for the TMI.
werent you the guy telling me that you didnt have a wife but you have like 4 dogs?

and heres a quote from last week:

jdoughs ‎(1:43 PM):
ill be back in a little bit i need to go get a few cases of peanut butter from costco.

Ayla_SquareTurtle 09-12-2009 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16311436)
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried.
This is why I quit watching scary movies. It's like your movie isn't "cool" these days unless you have the most horrific rape scene ever.

Robbie 09-12-2009 03:57 PM
If PR Dave comes back to this thread:
Will you be sending out an email to us affiliates with an announcement so we know which links/galleries to pull down that pertain to your sleeping site that is out of business?


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