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marketsmart 09-12-2009 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 16311622)
If PR Dave comes back to this thread:
Will you be sending out an email to us affiliates with an announcement so we know which links/galleries to pull down that pertain to your sleeping site that is out of business?
he said he closed that site a long time ago....

Fob 09-12-2009 04:13 PM
they aren't sleeping...they are just playing deadfish

DonovanTrent 09-12-2009 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16311436)
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
What separates the simulated rape in a mainstream movie from simulated rape in porn is "prurient interest" -- the first is a movie that tells a story, the second is something meant to bring on a sexual response. It all comes down to obscenity laws, which VISA is (rightfully) trying to stay within. I'm no apologist for VISA, but they gotta keep their biz in line.

Argue the rights/wrongs/morality/etc. of it all you want, but that's just the way it is.

Robbie 09-12-2009 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16311648)
he said he closed that site a long time ago....
My bad. I see that now. :)

katharos 09-12-2009 04:33 PM
so its bad when i touch my mothers ass meanwhile she sleeps?

Agent 488 09-12-2009 04:35 PM
if you are wearing a christmas reindeer mask yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by katharos (Post 16311699)
so its bad when i touch my mothers ass meanwhile she sleeps?

Pleasurepays 09-12-2009 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16311436)
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
But my personal view is that these sleep sites clearly do a good job of making it seem innocuous. I don't see how it should be a problem. Kind of silly. Especially being that they are obviously fake.
I think we should be more concerned with sleeper cells than sleep sites. imo.

duke
First... i meant that the law is the law. Depictions of simulated rape are illegal. Fucking a sleeping chick is exactly that... regardless of everyones idiotic arguments and semantics... (not yours) you can't consent during the act if you are not conscious to consent.

A Hollywood film is treated as an artistic endeavor and porn is treated as porn catering to "prurient interests"... i'm sure if hollywood was suddenly flooded with works depicting underage sex, bestiality and rape, torture and mutilation (in a sexual context) and so on, we'd most certainly see some new laws on the books.

Billionaire 09-12-2009 05:37 PM
We also do not consent on what the laws are.

snaker 09-12-2009 05:40 PM
ccbill dropped these sites a long time ago, most programs who get away with these sites have gotten merchant acct. This thread is useless without a source though

Robbie 09-12-2009 05:53 PM
Well if it's of any consequence... I just got an affiliate email full of "Sleep Creep" galleries from Porn Pros/Fuck You Cash just like this one:
http://www.sleepcreep.com/galleries/...o5NDoxMg,0,0,0,

I run galleries for this site and many others and have for a long time. So I guess it ain't quite dead yet.

Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-12-2009 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 16308676)
Doesn't matter if the site is loaded with consenting popular pornstars, VISA says no more
And that's what a lot of people in this thread don't understand... Sad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phallus Fondue (Post 16309157)
it is nothing new that adult can not get away with what hollywood does. not sure why people even keep bringing up this issue. it is visa's game and their rules. no laws say they even have to do business with us at all, so we are damn lucky to get away with what we do.

others also mentioned sleep fantasy is not rape fantasy just because if some girl woke them up with a bj or something that would never be rape. let us be real, it is rape. you just never would attempt to file charges for it unless of course you fell asleep at your house after a party and was woken up by a great bj you thought was from your girlfriend and when you finally cum to you realize it was that wierd guy nobody knows who invited.

fact stands no concent equals rape.
yes it is a fantasy and i personally would be fine with violent rape fantasy porn, but it is not my rules and no matter how much i bitch visa is not going to change for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing (Post 16309243)
Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.
Thank god.. To many people say "it's just fantasy!". Yeah because any ole Joe just decides "fuck yeah, I got a hardon watching a bitch being raped!" and doesn't think "I'm gonna see if I can attempt to fuck Jenny from the block while she sleeps!".

You're being an enabler.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16311436)
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
But my personal view is that these sleep sites clearly do a good job of making it seem innocuous. I don't see how it should be a problem. Kind of silly. Especially being that they are obviously fake.
I think we should be more concerned with sleeper cells than sleep sites. imo.

duke
Like stated many times before, not to mention, Visa can't really pull their merchant accounts for Hollywood because their was a rape in a movie.. I'm pretty sure EVERY single company that accepts credit cards and sells movies would be VERY pissed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 16311609)
This is why I quit watching scary movies. It's like your movie isn't "cool" these days unless you have the most horrific rape scene ever.
The Last House on the Left was the first movie in the last few years I seen, or at least remember, that had a rape scene... Maybe I'm watching the wrong horror films?

Blazing 09-12-2009 07:33 PM
Very unfortunate for a few programs if this is true...

gornyhuy 09-12-2009 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16307880)
fan⋅ta⋅sy
1. imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained.
2. the forming of mental images, esp. wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.
3. a mental image, esp. when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.
4. Psychology. an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need; daydream.
5. a hallucination.


Exactly.
Fucking ridiculous.

Naughty-Pages 09-13-2009 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 16308853)
Fucking left wing retards trust me. I just can't stand them anymore. The older i get, the more pissed i get hehehehehehehe
The "left wing" is getting stronger and stronger. Hell in a few years i wonder if the earth won't be an entire "left-wing-communist-planet". Or like 1984 by George Orwell (movie) !
(oh no China here i come):1orglaugh)
I think you have your right and left mixed up.. Republicans and the Christian Right typically are anti-pornography.

The Left: For Democrats look at the column here on the right side (Shows their Political position: Center-left)

The Right: For Republicans look at the column here on the right side (Shows their Political position: Center-right) and a good portion of Republicans are "Christian Right" (the right consists of prominent racist homophobic whackjobs like Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, etc..)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16310426)
Names would be useful there.
Didn't want to post more info in the event this thread is true LOL...



Quote:
Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16310426)
Finally, if this is something VISA's putting down, it isn't "fucking left wing" or "fucking right wing" it's "fucking VISA." Let's give fair credit where credit is due.
OK.. credit where credit is due..

"Right Wing religious republican nutjobs work at Visa"

MediaGuy 09-13-2009 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 16307863)
ouch...that has gotta suck...what is your source on this?
Uh, yeah... who what where when was this "reported"!

I was just gonna start promoting that, too...

:D

NaughtyRob 09-13-2009 09:13 AM
I watched in amazement too, the scene showed the guy fucking her from behind in many different angles, it was way longer than needed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16311436)
About a month ago, I flipped on "On Demand" and watched last house on the left. There was a BRUTAL simulated rape scene with a minor none the less. I sat there, sick to my stomach, and my gf actually cried. And this is available right on cable. Simulated rape is simulated rape be it in hollywood or elsewhere. Why does hollywood always get a free pass? And this was graphic.
But my personal view is that these sleep sites clearly do a good job of making it seem innocuous. I don't see how it should be a problem. Kind of silly. Especially being that they are obviously fake.
I think we should be more concerned with sleeper cells than sleep sites. imo.

duke

_Lush_ 09-13-2009 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 16308095)
Wonder if this will affect sleeping cam models lol
http://content.humorpix.com/images/2471/p001.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Robbie 09-13-2009 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lushy (Post 16314458)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

nikki99 09-13-2009 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 16308202)
I always find a couple webcam models asleep on the job. Pull their processing!
WG
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Phallus Fondue 09-13-2009 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle (Post 16311609)
This is why I quit watching scary movies. It's like your movie isn't "cool" these days unless you have the most horrific rape scene ever.
to be fair it was a remake of a much older movie and the entire story is based on the rape scene. it was also toned down a great deal from the original. the original was much more graphic and the only movie to come close would be i spit on your grave.
also should keep in mind for point of this discussion, the first time last house was released it was banned in the us and other places, then banned again in 84 after vcr's has been about and so had the film. look up video recordings act of 1984.

now i am very damn curious what current horror movies have horrific rape scenes in them besides the remake of this one.

CrkMStanz 09-13-2009 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GetNaughty (Post 16314016)
I watched in amazement too, the scene showed the guy fucking her from behind in many different angles, it was way longer than needed.
ya, way way way longer than needed - I was fast forwarding thru that scene and it was still way too long.

anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

.

Robbie 09-13-2009 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrkMStanz (Post 16314984)
anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

.
No, because the original post is about a new Visa policy (I won't say "rule" because as I said earlier I just got a brand new email full of hosted galleries of a sleep fuck site from Porn Pros/Fuck You Cash...and they are one of several programs that have "Sleep" sites that are running and making sales via Visa right now)

A Visa policy doesn't matter at all to a tube. Why should they care? It's not against the law, it's just a "chilling effect" from worry about what the govt. MIGHT do is my guess as to what would prompt Visa to selectively stop processing only certain sites while others are full steam ahead right now.

Major (Tom) 09-13-2009 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fob (Post 16311656)
they aren't sleeping...they are just playing deadfish

Sounds like my gf
LOL!
ds

Major (Tom) 09-13-2009 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16311659)
What separates the simulated rape in a mainstream movie from simulated rape in porn is "prurient interest" -- the first is a movie that tells a story, the second is something meant to bring on a sexual response. It all comes down to obscenity laws, which VISA is (rightfully) trying to stay within. I'm no apologist for VISA, but they gotta keep their biz in line.

Argue the rights/wrongs/morality/etc. of it all you want, but that's just the way it is.

Where you are wrong is here "prurient interest." If rape turns you on, and you got wind of this movie, you would watch it for that scene, therefore, catering to the prurient interest of that individual. Therefore, by the letter of a much ambiguous law, "last house on the left is obscene."
Duke

MediaGuy 09-13-2009 04:37 PM
OK so nobody can quote source and content for this new Visa "policy"?

:D

DonovanTrent 09-13-2009 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 16315316)
Where you are wrong is here "prurient interest." If rape turns you on, and you got wind of this movie, you would watch it for that scene, therefore, catering to the prurient interest of that individual. Therefore, by the letter of a much ambiguous law, "last house on the left is obscene."
Duke
Incorrect, it's general intent. Somebody with a foot fetish might get turned on by "Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe" but that doesn't make it obscene. "Old Woman Who Got Fucked By A Shoe" maybe...

Major (Tom) 09-13-2009 10:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16315358)
Incorrect, it's general intent. Somebody with a foot fetish might get turned on by "Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe" but that doesn't make it obscene. "Old Woman Who Got Fucked By A Shoe" maybe...
You are confusing an object with an action.
Duke

Sausage 09-13-2009 10:43 PM
Can anyone actually say they are surprised? I remember seeing sleepassault or some such a couple of years back before they got called out and changed the text on the tour to something a little less blatant. I mean there was no question they were going for the rape niche, still got the screenshot somewhere.

Are you seriously surprised these sites are targeted and shut down? I mean comeon .. it doesn't take 2 brain cells to figure out this shit is just bad news. Same with dressing a girl up to look 13, fake necro, simulated drunk rape, suggested beast and other crap people pull to try and shock a sale out. It may not be illegal, but if you think you aren't painting one hell of a red X on your back you have your head in the ground.

It comes down to plain basic common sense.

AtlantisCash 09-13-2009 11:02 PM
i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total faliours, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.

how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?

Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.

You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.

learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements :321GFY

AtlantisCash 09-13-2009 11:10 PM
i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total failures, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.

how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?

Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.

You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.

learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements :321GFY

Phallus Fondue 09-13-2009 11:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrkMStanz (Post 16314984)
ya, way way way longer than needed - I was fast forwarding thru that scene and it was still way too long.

anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

.
then i will say now then NEVER add the following titles to your netflix, they are all the same movie.
"i spit on your grave"
"day of the woman"
"i hate your guts"
"the rape and revenge of jennifer hill"

i never watched the sequel calles savage vengeance, with same actress.

if you were going to fast foward past the brutal rape, your movie would be a few minutes of country and some shopping, fast foward x5 speed, shes alive wow, oh shit fast foward x5 speed, revenge which is brutal too, roll credits.
if you watched revenge part, opening, and the wow she lived, your total film is maybe 20 minutes.

i only bring this up because cintel films got rights to make the remake and they said a 2009 worldwide release. if you had problems with last house remake then honestly do not watch this one, especially the 1978 version.

MediaGuy 09-14-2009 12:04 AM
Disregarding all this semantic poop and Hollywood vs. Adult "depictions" (because there's no difference in the eye of the law), I will reiterate:

Quote:
OK so nobody can quote source and content for this new Visa "policy"?
:D

webmasterchecks 09-14-2009 12:31 AM
there is a 3rd party compliance company that many processors/banks use whose regular course of business is to spider/monitor the sites under those institutions to ensure they follow the credit card company rules

for whatever reason, they recently updated their system to begin flagging those types of sites, i doubt you will see this publicly stated anywhere


or so ive heard

Sausage 09-14-2009 01:30 AM
Well I run quite a few voyeur sites very true to the niche, and while I am not stupid enough to have simulated rape on my site, I got the word from a biller and am pulling down anything that can even be considered sleep. Whether it's legal or not is a matter for someone else, but buggered if I am gonna be the low hanging fruit that gets plucked off early.

Judging by this thread there are heaps of idiots here more than willing to risk it and keep the content up and they can take the hit for their stupidity! It's all about risk management :)

Iron Fist 09-14-2009 03:30 AM
Lots of discussion but no proof... let's hope people aren't making any decisions based on this thread then :)

After Shock Media 09-14-2009 03:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phallus Fondue (Post 16316167)
then i will say now then NEVER add the following titles to your netflix, they are all the same movie.
"i spit on your grave"
"day of the woman"
"i hate your guts"
"the rape and revenge of jennifer hill"

i never watched the sequel calles savage vengeance, with same actress.

if you were going to fast foward past the brutal rape, your movie would be a few minutes of country and some shopping, fast foward x5 speed, shes alive wow, oh shit fast foward x5 speed, revenge which is brutal too, roll credits.
if you watched revenge part, opening, and the wow she lived, your total film is maybe 20 minutes.

i only bring this up because cintel films got rights to make the remake and they said a 2009 worldwide release. if you had problems with last house remake then honestly do not watch this one, especially the 1978 version.
I would totally agree with this one. I have a pretty strong stomach and can tolerate a great deal. It takes a great deal of shit to make me feel dirty and that movie left me feeling that way for a few days, even if she got revenge in some brutal ways. Even more brutal than in the original last house on the lefts scene where the mother bites one of the rapists cock off mid blow job.

If we are bringing up movies and shit that just is not fair. We can not really do fake violence which pissed me off to know end, because I do have a killer site idea that I know will sell even in today's saturated market. We also could never get away with the underage crap Hollywood pulls either and I am not talking fantasy, I am talking 100% real underage nudity and simulated sex scenes - pretty baby anyone? maybe blue lagoon? odd same actress too.

NikKay 09-14-2009 06:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing (Post 16309243)
Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.
Max wasn't just dressing 18-year-olds up like 12-year-olds. A ton of companies do that and aren't targeted.

czarina 09-14-2009 06:20 AM
welcome to America!

CamJack 09-14-2009 06:30 AM
I always thought this niche was a bad idea (although sexy). How could someone consent while not conscious. Even though the fuckyoucash guys ingeniously had them consent prior to the shoot, it took away from the integrity of the niche and didn't seem likely to protect themselves.

NikKay 09-14-2009 07:56 AM
I'm not generally turned on by porn but I do find this niche appealing. Go figure. :-P


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