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DonovanTrent 09-14-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16319350)
And Federer needed Nadal to be injured and out of the way to win. Great


And yet again, Sampras faced much better competition in a better era.


What do you mean wouldn't have been dominant without those skills? That's like me saying Federer wouldn't be dominant without his forehand or backhand. This is their skills and this is the different eras they played in.


Unfortunately, "taking things away" is not how this discussion works. By your logic, if you take away grass and hard court, Federer has NEVER beaten him. See how that works? At the same time, Nadal beat Federer at Federer's own game...Twice....Federer has yet to do the same to Nadal.


Other than Nadal and Del Potro, the other players you have listed don't have the mental toughness to compete with these 3. I don't see Federer and Nadal being broken up by anyone other than Del Potro.


Laver won a grand slam in one year. Bjorn Borg won 11 damn grand slams by 25. Pete Sampras played in what was arguably the best era in tennis and won 14. Federer is unable to dominate Nadal.. There's very many arguments against Federer being the greatest.
I read that and all I see is

yeah but

yeah but

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Why is it that the people who don't think Federer is the GOAT have to be so argumentative? It's all opinion, it's FINE if you think Sampras is the best. Nobody can answer who's the best until everyone in contention is retired, but then there'll be another phenom tearing the court up at that time and it'll make it impossible to answer.

Opinion, opinion, opinion. And by the way, you should not kick Andy Murray out of the mix. Boy can play some ball, and when he figures out how to get out of his own way, he's a serious contender.

kowalsky 09-14-2009 07:24 PM
From my point of view, you canīt compare Federer with Sampras. Federer is much more player. This mother fucker play soooooo easy, sooooo natural. Nobody is the history of tennis makes to see this games so easy.

The Demon 09-14-2009 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kowalsky (Post 16319624)
From my point of view, you canīt compare Federer with Sampras. Federer is much more player. This mother fucker play soooooo easy, sooooo natural. Nobody is the history of tennis makes to see this games so easy.
Nobody in the history of tennis has had it as easy as Federer had, until Nadal came along.

Drake 09-14-2009 10:52 PM
Wow, amazing shot!

Titan 09-15-2009 12:00 AM
good shit, federer is still apimp

sexandcash 09-15-2009 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 16319083)
maybe she's a nice person and he loves her?

man, i'm happy that not everyone out there just goes for the looks of someone. and i wish you a happy life with a good looking but shallow person
it was just an observation-looks aren't everything clearly-and if you only go for someone's looks-yep you are shallow
your comment is not entirely fair-celebrities, star athletes, musicians, actors, etc. put themselves in the spot light and are fair game for this sort of harmless gossip talk
it's unfortunate that tone can't be ascertained on a board....
:2 cents:

Miguel T 09-15-2009 03:48 AM
Wow, Federer for the win!

Blazed 09-15-2009 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16317366)
And Sampras played in a tougher era with inferior equipment. G-d only knows what he would do in this era. I saw his matches with Federer at 38. He'd be a top 10 player now.

And Andy Murray's 6-2 record is irrelevant considering he's never beaten him in a major. Nadal has a 5-2 record against Federer IN the majors. Btw, Sampras retired at 30-31.

When all is said and done, and provided he can stay healthy, I'm putting my money on Nadal becoming the greater player of all time.

And your logic is flawed. That's like saying Bill Russell is better than Michael Jordan because he won more titles.
Tougher era bollocks, that is always said in every spot the "oldies" always had it tougher. Yes he had worse equipment but so did his opponents. I think Sampras himself has said Federer is the greatest of all time.

james_clickmemedia 09-15-2009 10:14 AM
Crazy for him to hit the "tweener" at that point in the match. Even crazier that he hit the passing shot with it.

The Demon 09-15-2009 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 16321620)
Tougher era bollocks, that is always said in every spot the "oldies" always had it tougher. Yes he had worse equipment but so did his opponents. I think Sampras himself has said Federer is the greatest of all time.
Except there's actual evidence that the level of play in the 90s exceeded anything until Nadal and Federer began their rivalry.

DonovanTrent 09-15-2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16321663)
Except there's actual evidence that the level of play in the 90s exceeded anything until Nadal and Federer began their rivalry.
Please post the evidence as well as backup on the measurement criteria.

kowalsky 09-15-2009 12:45 PM
That idea that Federer had only weak opponents before Nadal is what confirm that Federer is so good. The distance between he and the rest of players is so big that NONE though that playing tennis in that way were possible, and he does it in times where the speed of the game is huge.

Those who really have a sense of the tennis history say that Federer is the number one of the modern age, no doubt about that, hard to find someone who really know about tennis (and play it, of course) who can say the opposite. Those who knows so much about tennis history say that Federer could compete with Rod Laver for the best of the history, but of course no Sampras.


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