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DonovanTrent 09-14-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 16318232)
good advice right here another bit ALWAYS split 8s

That should be basic strategy. :winkwink:

That said, I HAVE played blackjack in the past, and there was a time when I was playing solo at a table, was dealt a pair of 10s against a dealer's 6. I thought, fuck it let's have some fun, and said I wanted to split those 10s.

You'd think a fire alarm went off in the place, they called a pitboss over and they wanted to give me the third degree. I was like, "it's my money, I wanna split those 10s." They let me, I got an 8 and a 5, dealer hole card was a 2, dealer pulls 2 small cards and then a 10. Dealer busts, I win both hands.

Note, had I not made the "dumbass move you should never make" and split the 10s, dealer would've added the 8 and 5 onto their standing 8 and beat my 20 with a 21. That's how shit happens, it can go bad or good.

And believe me, I never would've made that split had anyone else been at the table. Not because I'd have given a shit about their hand, but because I wouldn't want to listen to their endless stream of bullshit about me "messing up their cards."

Barefootsies 09-14-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16318386)
And believe me, I never would've made that split had anyone else been at the table. Not because I'd have given a shit about their hand, but because I wouldn't want to listen to their endless stream of bullshit about me "messing up their cards."

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Ron Bennett 09-14-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16318136)
5) Tipping cannot buy you luck, there is no such thing as luck, only circumstance. The only advantage you can get from tipping will be with a crooked dealer, and playing with a crooked dealer can get you caught in someone else's net.

On a related note, in the old days before card readers, a crooked dealer would look at his facedown card, and then hint to the player in some fashion what it was.

But these days, at many casinos, the dealers don't look at their facedown card. Instead a machine reads the facedown card and flashes a signal whether it's Ace. Thus the dealer doesn't even know what their cards are until after revealing them to the players.

Not to say dealers can't cheat other ways, but often involves doing things further out of the ordinary and thus more likely to be caught and stopped quickly.

Ron

Ron Bennett 09-14-2009 02:53 PM

Surprised they made that much of a fuss for splitting 10s. Perhaps the dealer thought you were a newbie and was trying to protect you from making a costly mistake; splitting a winning hand, more often than not, is a bad move. But, I've occasionally split 10s for the heck of it, and never been hassled.

However, if you really want to set alarm bells off and get the attention of the pitboss and security, hit on a hard 17+ hand, especially a 19 or 20.

On an aside, once at Vegas, at a higher limit table, I accidently stayed on 9 and still won! Needless to say, the other couple of players at the table, who all bust, weren't happy and promptly left.

Ron

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16318386)
You'd think a fire alarm went off in the place, they called a pitboss over and they wanted to give me the third degree. I was like, "it's my money, I wanna split those 10s." They let me, I got an 8 and a 5, dealer hole card was a 2, dealer pulls 2 small cards and then a 10. Dealer busts, I win both hands.


Barefootsies 09-14-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ron bennett (Post 16318639)
on an aside, once at vegas, at a higher limit table, i accidently stayed on 9 and still won! Needless to say, the other couple of players at the table, who all bust, weren't happy and promptly left.

Ron

l m f a o ! ! !

ToplistBlog_Com 09-14-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16318136)
Sharky's correct about progressive betting. Ron Bennett's correct about players "messing up the cards" and basic strategy. Here are the important things to know:

1) Know basic strategy and I mean KNOW it. Can be learned anywhere and memorized easily. If you can't memorize it, don't play it.

2) Don't deviate from above, don't play hunches. The only playable hunch is one that comes from counting cards, which means it isn't really a hunch, it's numbers and probability.

3) ALWAYS double down on less than 11 with a 5-6 showing, even if you're holding crap and end up getting crap. Odds are with you.

4) Ignore what other people at the table are doing, unless you count cards. They can just as easily turn the cards in your favor with their stupid plays as they can turn them away from your favor. Getting caught up in it only distracts the mind.

5) Tipping cannot buy you luck, there is no such thing as luck, only circumstance. The only advantage you can get from tipping will be with a crooked dealer, and playing with a crooked dealer can get you caught in someone else's net.

6) Tip based on the experience you had with the dealer. If you're a winner but the dealer was an asshole sourpuss who seems pissed that you won, should you tip them?

7) Never forget that the house always has the advantage, with only few small slivers of opportunity in your favor. In general, when gambling, you are not betting against the house, you are betting against YOURSELF.

Rule #7 is why I don't gamble. :)

Edited to add: Special note to tourists visiting Las Vegas: The above rules do not apply to you. Luck is a lady and she will be with you. Fortunes can and will be made by you and your fellow travelers, gamble freely!!! ;)

Some pretty good tips, thanks!:winkwink:

sandman! 09-14-2009 04:41 PM

1. having fun with people at the table is fun but you play for yourself.
2. you wave it off 99.999% of the time if you want to be stupid once in awile its ok to take a card but be ready for everyone at the table to look at you like your an idiot.
3. i only tip if i win how much is just a personal preferance.


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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16317211)
1. When you play, personally, blackjack.. Do you tend to play as a team to beat the dealer, or play for yourself?

2. When the cards are dealt, and the dealer has a 6. Do you wave off anything over an 11 (i.e. take no hits, or new cards if your card totals 11) in hopes that the deals busts, or do you take the hit?

3. When you tip out, do you flip em a $25/50 depending on your winnings? Or you just clip them a chip for whatever the minimum was. For example, $10.00 min/$500 max. You would flip em $10.00 tip?


After Shock Media 09-14-2009 05:04 PM

I still am amazed people get all upset or pissed about newbies or players playing wrong and changing your cards. That shit always made no sense to me at all. They just notice a card they could of had and get all pissed.

Problem is the cards would move for many other reasons besides newbie play. Adding another player would technically mess with your cards, someone splitting messes with your cards, hell all play beyond taking the two mandatory cards your dealt mess with other peoples cards.

DonovanTrent 09-14-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16319120)
I still am amazed people get all upset or pissed about newbies or players playing wrong and changing your cards. That shit always made no sense to me at all. They just notice a card they could of had and get all pissed.

Problem is the cards would move for many other reasons besides newbie play. Adding another player would technically mess with your cards, someone splitting messes with your cards, hell all play beyond taking the two mandatory cards your dealt mess with other peoples cards.

It's called superstition, gamblers tend to be big on it. Walk around the casinos in town here, you'll see grown adults with an array of miscellaneous mojo trinkets out in front of them or wearing two different colored socks or tapping on slot machines before/after hitting the button, all kinds of funny BS.

Here's what it all comes down to, people, and this is from the horse's mouth, Steve Wynn: The way to make money in a casino is to OWN it.

incredibleworkethic 09-14-2009 09:22 PM

I'm done with gambling. Played a bit when I first turned of legal age and have been turned off with a bad experience.

It's fun to play when you are just going out once and a while but most of the time you end up losing quite often. (not just blackjack) The ride home is never fun.

I don't have a gambling problem but if you do check out this site: gamcare.org.uk/

TheDoc 09-14-2009 09:44 PM

I tip as I play.. if I'm not winning they get no tips, if I'm rocking it they make some money too. I almost always bet the dealers tip too. I had to work for my winnings, so will they.

I play aggressive but I tell people when I am. I normally only do it late at night, with 4 or less people at the table. I can't see very well so less people makes it easier for me to do a +1/0/-1 count.

While progressive betting can be fun and stupid at the same time, mixing it in with a count can greatly pay off. Sometimes you're just wrong, progressive betting will save your ass.... or it can end your night.


Tipping at the end I reserve for craps dealers that worked the table like a busy whore or other players that make me a shit load of money.

amateurcanada 09-14-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16317211)
1. When you play, personally, blackjack.. Do you tend to play as a team to beat the dealer, or play for yourself?

2. When the cards are dealt, and the dealer has a 6. Do you wave off anything over an 11 (i.e. take no hits, or new cards if your card totals 11) in hopes that the deals busts, or do you take the hit?

3. When you tip out, do you flip em a $25/50 depending on your winnings? Or you just clip them a chip for whatever the minimum was. For example, $10.00 min/$500 max. You would flip em $10.00 tip?


I play for myself and different positions and player styles can make or break your game so assess players.

If the dealer has a face card I would be more willing to take another face and hope for a smaller card as statistically you will win more then by standing.

Maybe if i'm half inebriated ill toss chips all over, but I would just then one of your lowest value chips - it really makes no difference lol.

Barefootsies 09-15-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent (Post 16319718)
It's called superstition, gamblers tend to be big on it. Walk around the casinos in town here, you'll see grown adults with an array of miscellaneous mojo trinkets out in front of them or wearing two different colored socks or tapping on slot machines before/after hitting the button, all kinds of funny BS.

Here's what it all comes down to, people, and this is from the horse's mouth, Steve Wynn: The way to make money in a casino is to OWN it.

True, fucking, dat.

I went back to the casino this morning, and played for 4-5 hours. Made another $750.00 take home. Tipped out the drink lady, and dealer. So that was $1200 or something over two days.

Bought in for $100.00 each day, and that $1200 was the profit after tip outs.

Keep in mind. I have never played this game more than the two times in the casino, and maybe a time or two at the adult shows. So I barely know what I am doing. Although I did write down the GFY tips. :winkwink:

Others at the table were still going ape shit tonight about newbie play, myself and others, and claiming this card was theirs, or they saved you, or made you a mint, blah blah blah.

Kinda funny to me. All these people believing in the great joe-boo and shit.
:1orglaugh

Alky 09-15-2009 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 16317473)
I usually always play 2 hands... I will play small bets until I feel the table. I never tip the dealer... that shit is for suckers... the house takes it anyway.

lol the house takes it?

google "toke rate"

usually at most casinos the casino takes it and pools it.... then it gets divided up by the dealers who worked.

for instance at the borgata in AC towards the end of shifts you will see dealers filling racks of chips in closed down craps tables... those are tips.

Alky 09-15-2009 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 16320360)
Kinda funny to me. All these people believing in the great joe-boo and shit.
:1orglaugh

well... there are odds in blackjack obviously... so there is a right way to play and a "wrong" way.

usually you will find the more experienced players at $25+ min bet tables... i prefer no midshoe entry...but usually just play to have a good time and blow some money :)

Nurgle 09-15-2009 06:38 AM

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/strategy/4deck.html

has all the info u need on how to play

tranza 09-15-2009 07:06 AM

I just play when there's a noob player inside... hahaha

fuzebox 09-15-2009 09:12 AM

I like doubling down on a 12 and watching the pit boss go ballistic.

Barefootsies 09-15-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16321380)
I like doubling down on a 12 and watching the pit boss go ballistic.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Barefootsies 09-16-2009 04:25 PM

Three nights in a row practicing. Here are a few other tips I picked up, for myself.

1. Never play at a table with less than 3 people. You do not break up the 18-21 cards on dealer and get them to bust. Especially on those shoots with 4-5 decks in em.

2. Play in the evening, not the night time. You are more likely to play with 3-6 players.

3. Do not pay attention to those who think the table, cards, boogie man or card counting is going to help you.

4. 90% of the time you are playing to break even. So you must be patient. The only time you are going to make money, IMHO, is on splits, and double down type situations.

5. Name your price. I go in with $100.00 and my goal is to leave with $100.00. Anything beyond that is gravy. I build up my $5/10 chips. Then after I have 2-300.00 in those, I switch to green/$25. I build up a few stacks of those, and then get more aggressive with betting.

Once those $5/10 chips are gone. I leave with my green stacks.


:2 cents:

Barefootsies 09-16-2009 04:39 PM

One more thing,

I do agree with the others who've said something to the effect of tipping them if you are winning, won some money whatever. However, there are others you do not tip.

I have found there are some $5 an hour dealers who love talking shit to you, and take great delight banging your dick in to eliminate your stacks.

Then others who are very helpful and will advise you along the way on basic strategies and what not.


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